Shield Breaker needs to go

Sharee · October 2015

Knootewoot wrote: »

If I fight and pop a healing ward I die more quick because of shield breaker.

You certainly won't die more quickly.

With shield, you will get hit for 2K damage per enemy light attack, and nothing else.
Without shield, you would get hit for ~1.5K damage per enemy light attack, plus the damage of whatever ability he is weaving with his light attacks.

Mr_Nobody · October 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Shield breaker only works against shield stacking.

Why do you say only shield stacking? What are you smoking and can I have some?

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

That means, sorcs.

What, do you mean only sorcs stack shields? What are you smoking and can I have some?

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

If you cant handle a 5set piece bonus and you are no longer able to facetank 5 people and kill them 1 by 1 because of it - clearly L2P issue.

Why can it not mean that the 5 piece bonus is more powerful than is should be? Who said anything about 1v5ing people? What are you smoking and can I have some?

1) Because only sorcs most likely run around with shields up and eat Shield Breaker.
2) Only sorcs can stack shields *worth* stacking. DKs/Templars have bad/non-existant class shields atm.
3) Why should it be less powerful? Its at a perfect spot as it is now. 2k/hit aint a disaster. Meaning if u didnt actually stack shields you would not die since initial damage still damages it.

QQ Sorcs QQ

Teargrants · October 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

So...all you naysayers, how exactly is sorc supposed to "adapt"? Like do you have any concrete suggestions beyond "stop relying on shields haha"?

Let's see, normal circumstances:

- Shield Breaker proc is ~2k (ignoring Battle Spirit 50% reduction, btw).
- The only large heal I have is Healing Ward which being a shield, means I effectively cannot heal myself with someone spamming Shield Breaker light attacks on me.
- The only way to deal with a Shield Breaker bot is to go full dps on it or run away immediately. Encouraging people to run away from fights isn't something I think ZOS should be doing.
- And let's not forget that Shield Breaker procs can also proc Expert Hunter procs which also ignore your shield and directly hit your health. Please spare me the claims of this being balanced/OK, after months of stam users complaining about skills hitting through dodge roll. This is the same thing, damage ignoring a primary defensive mechanic.
- Oh and you thought that was it? Haha no, Shield Breaker also procs on Harness Magicka even though it doesn't block physical damage to begin with! I can have Harness Magicka up, and someone can start spamming Shield Breaker light attacks one me - I'm stuck taking the full light atk + Shield Breaker dmg on my health for the next 20 seconds. Think about that.

So, let's adapt?

- Reroll to stam sorc?
- Reroll to NB?
- Block the dmg? HAHAHAHAH can't block unresistable damage.
- Don't use shields as a magicka build? Templars can get away with it with their numerous heals (BOL, Purify which is also a purge and removes incoming spell projectiles - even Meteor - because ZOS, Jabs heals and Repentence). NBs have Cloak and Double Take. DKs had GDB, now they're almost as bad off as sorc. Oh and sorc has uhm, nothing viable. Dark Exchange? That's a joke. Clanfear? Suffers the same problem as GDB + cast time. Crit Surge? Entirely RNG dependent and not a sufficient source of heals w/ Battle Spirit. Blood Magic? HAHAHAHA.
- That leaves us with non class heals for sorc. Rapid Regen? Crits for about 1k, you won't out heal Shield Breaker. Combat Prayer? This one will actually outheal Shield Breaker, but you'll basically just be spamming it in between refreshing your shield. At that point, why aren't you just going all out dps on them? Even with this you'll still have to run away if there's other people involved in the fight. Energy Orb? It's uselessly expensive.

So far I'm mostly hearing "stack more into health". What does that do for me when my primary heal (Healing Ward) becomes a non-heal because of Shield Breaker spam, and other heals are pretty much lack luster. If I stack 10k more into health, I can last through 5 more seconds of Shield Breaker spam, yay.

Perhaps this will help the stam builds out there understand the predicament? Let's say you're having an evenly matched 1v1 and I come over and start popping off random light resto attacks at you like a mouth breather and doing nothing else. Does that instantly turn your 1v1 into an "I'm screwed unless I start running away right now or kill the mouth breather" situation? No, it doesn't, does it? Should it though? That's basically what sorcs experience with Shield Breaker.

Unresistable damage through shields is not the way to go as a counterplay to shields. There are so many possibilities for fair alternatives:

- Increased damage on shields.
- Add bleed effect that only damages shields.
- Add a CC effect that procs on people with shields.
- Debuffs that lower the time left before shield expires.
- Debuffs that affect shield users, such as reduced dmg done, reduced healing received, ect.

The Shield Breaker set we have now is simply the embodiment of lazy programming.

A few things teargrant, healing ward is not the only large heal you got, it might be the best one when you consider shield stacking mechanic but it's not the only one. combat prayer for example is very effective for healing.
Also you say Zos shouldn't encourage running from fights, yet you were the first person to defend bolt escape allowing you to run from fights...

Also if you see a bow user, don't pop harness magicka.. As they most likely are using shield breaker.

In the end you defended sorcs for months while posting videos of your sorc tanking multiple people with ease.. Now you have to watch for one set and be on your toes.. Try adapting

I already explained how Combat Prayer holds up you can use it to keep your health up against someone who's just spamming Shield Breaker. But in most situations, it's subpar simply because you have to waste GCDs casting it multiple times for a one time heal that isn't all that big - similar to how GDB is lacking w/ the Battle Spirit debuff.

You're twisting my words about Bolt Escape, I know you know better than that. I never said anything at all the effect of "Bolt Escape lets you run from all the fights, Bolt Escape is fine." I have always been of the position that Bolt Escape didn't need some stupid nerf a la 1.7 infinite stacking cost, because the game is replete with counters to it in the form of gap closers - which all have a greater range than Bolt Escape. And don't tell me you can't keep up w/ a bolting sorc, I'm sure you remember Crit Rushing me non stop all the way from Glade to Aleswell. Or go ahead and ask Ezareth how many times he's chased down sorcs on his stamblade by sprinting after them.

In regards to "The only way to deal with a Shield Breaker bot is to go full dps on it or run away immediately. Encouraging people to run away from fights isn't something I think ZOS should be doing", it means exactly what it says and nothing more. Either I drop the dps on the Shield Breaker or I try to run away. The competent ones use gap closers and the fight continues. It's very similar to the impetus put on NBs to just try and run away for 15 sec when people pop detect pots now, since ZOS removed the ability of Cloak to cause force miss when detected. What happens now when I pop detect pots on NBs? Most of them just try to run away for the duration because their main defensive ability has become useless.

And seeing a bow user? You mean the one that's hiding in stealth 30m away? Very funny.

Teargrants · October 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

One more time here.... This is NOT a sorc nerf.... this affects everyone with a shield.

DK SCRUB OUT

Sorcs can actually troll allies by popping healing wards on low health players. It's like a bullseye for Shield Breaker snipers.

It gets better, DK petrify counts as a shield on the target, so you can Petrify someone who doesn't even use shields and start spamming the Shield Breaker on him.

You can 'spam' such a target with shieldbreaker exactly once, because the first light attack damage will break the petrify.

That would be nice if Petrify always broke when it was supposed to. I cannot count the number of times I've been hit by things like multiple Wrecking Blows while in Petrify and eventually having to CC break because the Petrify just refused to break on its own.

Sharee · October 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Either I drop the dps on the Shield Breaker or I try to run away. The competent ones use gap closers and the fight continues.
...
And seeing a bow user? You mean the one that's hiding in stealth 30m away? Very funny.

If he is 30m away, he can't use a gap closer if you choose to run. If he is in your face, you can see him.

Sharee · October 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

One more time here.... This is NOT a sorc nerf.... this affects everyone with a shield.

DK SCRUB OUT

Sorcs can actually troll allies by popping healing wards on low health players. It's like a bullseye for Shield Breaker snipers.

It gets better, DK petrify counts as a shield on the target, so you can Petrify someone who doesn't even use shields and start spamming the Shield Breaker on him.

You can 'spam' such a target with shieldbreaker exactly once, because the first light attack damage will break the petrify.

That would be nice if Petrify always broke when it was supposed to. I cannot count the number of times I've been hit by things like multiple Wrecking Blows while in Petrify and eventually having to CC break because the Petrify just refused to break on its own.

Petrify applies a ~1k shield. Any damage will deplete the shield. Whether the stun breaks or not - the shield will be gone after a single light attack.

Teargrants · October 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Either I drop the dps on the Shield Breaker or I try to run away. The competent ones use gap closers and the fight continues.
...
And seeing a bow user? You mean the one that's hiding in stealth 30m away? Very funny.

If he is 30m away, he can't use a gap closer if you choose to run. If he is in your face, you can see him.

Please don't misconstrue my words, I'm am speaking of different scenarios. 30m is an arbitrary number in reply to Xorsus' supposition that I should simply not use Harness Magicka if there's a bow user around - something which is impossible to do against a bow user who starts opening on you from stealth as most of them do.

JackDaniell · October 2015

Shield breaker is a great set for killing people who have poorly made pvp builds.

Sharee · October 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Either I drop the dps on the Shield Breaker or I try to run away. The competent ones use gap closers and the fight continues.
...
And seeing a bow user? You mean the one that's hiding in stealth 30m away? Very funny.

If he is 30m away, he can't use a gap closer if you choose to run. If he is in your face, you can see him.

Please don't misconstrue my words, I'm am speaking of different scenarios. 30m is an arbitrary number in reply to Xorsus' supposition that I should simply not use Harness Magicka if there's a bow user around - something which is impossible to do against a bow user who starts opening on you from stealth as most of them do.

And most bow users also do not stand within melee range when they are shooting you. Which means a single bolt escape in the opposite direction will bring you out of gap closer range.

contact.opiumb16_ESO · October 2015

Their is about one year that almighty sorcerers do a lot of lobbying to let ZOS think that they are skilled players, not OP class... welcome to zos logic ! No balancing, just lazy solution.

Same will come for NB soon...

But for now, EU leaderboard is 45% sorcerers, 45% NB, 8% DK, templars are...well... templars. Those scores means one thing : the balance logic of ZOS is just very, very bad.

I don't blame soso or nb, i do have 1 of each, and a templar. But even with shield breaker, soso is still op, as nb are too.

Derra · October 2015

JackDaniell wrote: »

Shield breaker is a great set for killing people who have poorly made pvp builds.

The only thing shieldbreaker is doing as of now is limiting the amount of skills a sorc can slot for defense (while being the only class to be limited this way). With orsinium the set will be hardcountered with the gear implemented an sorcs once again will have freedom to choose their defensive weaponry.

Discussion about it are moot at this point. It should have been changed to attack shields to remain vaible. It wasn´t and is now bound to become obsolete.

LegendaryChef · October 2015

I could argue all day why this set needs to be fixed but I think the OP pretty much covers it all. So much salty tears aimed at sorcs that they can't even see past them to realise how stupid this set is.

People also talking about shield stacking are completely off topic because this set affects you no matter how many shields you can slot and how big they are.

As for the people that simply say "Oh L2P and adapt!" You actually give me a great laugh because I know that 80% of the people using it will be the ones who defend it. It's a completely lazy "fix" to try and counter shields but to be completely honest, Zos, this just wasn't what should have been brought in.

Maulkin · October 2015

Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).

I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.

Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.

Hell, I'm leveling one myself

Derra · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).

I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.

Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.

Hell, I'm leveling one myself

Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.

Maulkin · October 2015

Derra wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).

I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.

Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.

Hell, I'm leveling one myself

Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.

Which is why I'm leveling a Redguard Stamina DK.

Maulkin The Rastafarian is coming like a wrecking ball

LegendaryChef · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).

I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.

Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.

Hell, I'm leveling one myself

Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.

Which is why I'm leveling a Redguard Stamina DK.

Maulkin The Rastafarian is coming like a wrecking ball

*cough* fotm *cough*

Maulkin · October 2015

LegendaryChef wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).

I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.

Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.

Hell, I'm leveling one myself

Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.

Which is why I'm leveling a Redguard Stamina DK.

Maulkin The Rastafarian is coming like a wrecking ball

*cough* fotm *cough*

I know, I know

I need a break from the Sorc man, I've been Sorcing for 90% of the time for the last 14 months. Went from rank 1 to rank 33 playing solo.

I brought up that manablade for a bit of variety. It's super strong, especially in IC, but pressing that Cloak button every 2" is not for me it seems. I know it's not much different on Sorc applying shields all the time, but it's a preference thing.

I prefer being in peoples faces than weaving in and out of view constantly. I prefer having them screaming "Focus that fecking Sorc!" than "Where is that fecking NB?". I think, being a Sorc yourself, you know what I mean.

Also, I'm keen to try my first stam build. I think it'll make me see some things from a different PoV too.

Darnathian · October 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Crystelle wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I'd rather see it be double damage to shields myself. Personally I'm glad Sorcs know what it's like to actually take damage now, though. Running around with the least amount of health possible should not be viable concerning survivability.

Thing is though, Shield Breaker doesn't damage shields, it damages the player.

Yeah. I don't like how they did it. Bonus damage to the shield would still leave the shield somewhat effective, and not give a damage bonus after the shield is broken. It would give the sorc the option of deciding whether or not recasting the shield is worth it, or to focus more on damage/healing instead. Right now you're just being punished for using one of your key class abilities which is dumb. It would also give the bonus on all attacks rather than just light/heavy attacks... which would be a lot more interesting.

Now shield stacking sorcs who use to laugh at everyone who were calling for balance and trying to compromise want to compromise. Nice.

This is not directed at you. You just made me remember all the threads that non sorcs posted good compromises like no shield stacking or scaling off health like everyone else.

Instead we get this garbage that hurts other class shields. Sweet.

Darnathian · October 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

So...all you naysayers, how exactly is sorc supposed to "adapt"? Like do you have any concrete suggestions beyond "stop relying on shields haha"?

Let's see, normal circumstances:

- Shield Breaker proc is ~2k (ignoring Battle Spirit 50% reduction, btw).
- The only large heal I have is Healing Ward which being a shield, means I effectively cannot heal myself with someone spamming Shield Breaker light attacks on me.
- The only way to deal with a Shield Breaker bot is to go full dps on it or run away immediately. Encouraging people to run away from fights isn't something I think ZOS should be doing.
- And let's not forget that Shield Breaker procs can also proc Expert Hunter procs which also ignore your shield and directly hit your health. Please spare me the claims of this being balanced/OK, after months of stam users complaining about skills hitting through dodge roll. This is the same thing, damage ignoring a primary defensive mechanic.
- Oh and you thought that was it? Haha no, Shield Breaker also procs on Harness Magicka even though it doesn't block physical damage to begin with! I can have Harness Magicka up, and someone can start spamming Shield Breaker light attacks one me - I'm stuck taking the full light atk + Shield Breaker dmg on my health for the next 20 seconds. Think about that.

So, let's adapt?

- Reroll to stam sorc?
- Reroll to NB?
- Block the dmg? HAHAHAHAH can't block unresistable damage.
- Don't use shields as a magicka build? Templars can get away with it with their numerous heals (BOL, Purify which is also a purge and removes incoming spell projectiles - even Meteor - because ZOS, Jabs heals and Repentence). NBs have Cloak and Double Take. DKs had GDB, now they're almost as bad off as sorc. Oh and sorc has uhm, nothing viable. Dark Exchange? That's a joke. Clanfear? Suffers the same problem as GDB + cast time. Crit Surge? Entirely RNG dependent and not a sufficient source of heals w/ Battle Spirit. Blood Magic? HAHAHAHA.
- That leaves us with non class heals for sorc. Rapid Regen? Crits for about 1k, you won't out heal Shield Breaker. Combat Prayer? This one will actually outheal Shield Breaker, but you'll basically just be spamming it in between refreshing your shield. At that point, why aren't you just going all out dps on them? Even with this you'll still have to run away if there's other people involved in the fight. Energy Orb? It's uselessly expensive.

So far I'm mostly hearing "stack more into health". What does that do for me when my primary heal (Healing Ward) becomes a non-heal because of Shield Breaker spam, and other heals are pretty much lack luster. If I stack 10k more into health, I can last through 5 more seconds of Shield Breaker spam, yay.

Perhaps this will help the stam builds out there understand the predicament? Let's say you're having an evenly matched 1v1 and I come over and start popping off random light resto attacks at you like a mouth breather and doing nothing else. Does that instantly turn your 1v1 into an "I'm screwed unless I start running away right now or kill the mouth breather" situation? No, it doesn't, does it? Should it though? That's basically what sorcs experience with Shield Breaker.

Unresistable damage through shields is not the way to go as a counterplay to shields. There are so many possibilities for fair alternatives:

- Increased damage on shields.
- Add bleed effect that only damages shields.
- Add a CC effect that procs on people with shields.
- Debuffs that lower the time left before shield expires.
- Debuffs that affect shield users, such as reduced dmg done, reduced healing received, ect.

The Shield Breaker set we have now is simply the embodiment of lazy programming.

DKs are almost as bad off as a sorc? Wow. Ummm. No. DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.

Those proposed fixes are not enough. No more shield stacking.

Wollust · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).

I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.

Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.

Hell, I'm leveling one myself

Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.

Which is why I'm leveling a Redguard Stamina DK.

Maulkin The Rastafarian is coming like a wrecking ball

*cough* fotm *cough*

I know, I know

I need a break from the Sorc man, I've been Sorcing for 90% of the time for the last 14 months. Went from rank 1 to rank 33 playing solo.

I brought up that manablade for a bit of variety. It's super strong, especially in IC, but pressing that Cloak button every 2" is not for me it seems. I know it's not much different on Sorc applying shields all the time, but it's a preference thing.

I prefer being in peoples faces than weaving in and out of view constantly. I prefer having them screaming "Focus that fecking Sorc!" than "Where is that fecking NB?". I think, being a Sorc yourself, you know what I mean.

Also, I'm keen to try my first stam build. I think it'll make see things from a different PoV too.

Well if you prefer being in their faces tanky stam dk is perfect for you

Crit Rush
WB
WB
Executioner

Let the hate whisper flow

LegendaryChef · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Personally, being a Sorc and all, I of course am not the biggest fan of the set (Cpt Obvious).

I've kinda learned to live with it. I don't really mind the melee damage (unless it's coming from a DK) but the ranged with the bow.

Speaking of the DK... a stamina S&B DK with Shield Breaker and good sustain both magicka and stamina wise is the hard counter to almost any Sorc build:
- Very strong physical damage with double anim cancel (la+skill+bash) and the only phys dmg ultimate (Take Flight)
- Shield Breaker bypassing shields
- Reverberating Bash cutting whatever pitiful heals you have
- Scales reflecting all your hard hitters.

Hell, I'm leveling one myself

Well they´re basically hardcountering every ranged build available while having the best stamina sustain in the game if redguard...
For dueling there is no better class to be found.

Which is why I'm leveling a Redguard Stamina DK.

Maulkin The Rastafarian is coming like a wrecking ball

*cough* fotm *cough*

I know, I know

I need a break from the Sorc man, I've been Sorcing for 90% of the time for the last 14 months. Went from rank 1 to rank 33 playing solo.

I brought up that manablade for a bit of variety. It's super strong, especially in IC, but pressing that Cloak button every 2" is not for me it seems. I know it's not much different on Sorc applying shields all the time, but it's a preference thing.

I prefer being in peoples faces than weaving in and out of view constantly. I prefer having them screaming "Focus that fecking Sorc!" than "Where is that fecking NB?". I think, being a Sorc yourself, you know what I mean.

Also, I'm keen to try my first stam build. I think it'll make me see some things from a different PoV too.

That's fair enough man

I'm currently levelling a manaplar just to try something different also.

JackDaniell · October 2015

JackDaniell wrote: »

Shield breaker is a great set for killing people who have poorly made pvp builds.

Derra wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Shield breaker is a great set for killing people who have poorly made pvp builds.

The only thing shieldbreaker is doing as of now is limiting the amount of skills a sorc can slot for defense (while being the only class to be limited this way). With orsinium the set will be hardcountered with the gear implemented an sorcs once again will have freedom to choose their defensive weaponry.

Discussion about it are moot at this point. It should have been changed to attack shields to remain vaible. It wasn´t and is now bound to become obsolete.

I'm sorry but many on this forum seam to be under the impression that Sorcs can only stack shields to survive, they actually have lots of heals that don't even require shield use. Also all classes can use shields (NB having the hardest time getting them).

I mean when 90% of sorts run the same build that is weak to one set, you would expect then to maybe adapt no? They can always keep mashing ward tho, then come to the forums and say thier class has no heals. Honestly these threads are just a place where people complain about not understanding proper build and game mechanics.

Maulkin · October 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.

You're a bit of a drama queen aren't you? An angry one at that.

LegendaryChef · October 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Crystelle wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I'd rather see it be double damage to shields myself. Personally I'm glad Sorcs know what it's like to actually take damage now, though. Running around with the least amount of health possible should not be viable concerning survivability.

Thing is though, Shield Breaker doesn't damage shields, it damages the player.

Yeah. I don't like how they did it. Bonus damage to the shield would still leave the shield somewhat effective, and not give a damage bonus after the shield is broken. It would give the sorc the option of deciding whether or not recasting the shield is worth it, or to focus more on damage/healing instead. Right now you're just being punished for using one of your key class abilities which is dumb. It would also give the bonus on all attacks rather than just light/heavy attacks... which would be a lot more interesting.

Now shield stacking sorcs who use to laugh at everyone who were calling for balance and trying to compromise want to compromise. Nice.

This is not directed at you. You just made me remember all the threads that non sorcs posted good compromises like no shield stacking or scaling off health like everyone else.

Instead we get this garbage that hurts other class shields. Sweet.

More sorc tears, think I'm going to need to invest in getting myself a little violin for every time I read them!

Maulkin · October 2015

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Crystelle wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I'd rather see it be double damage to shields myself. Personally I'm glad Sorcs know what it's like to actually take damage now, though. Running around with the least amount of health possible should not be viable concerning survivability.

Thing is though, Shield Breaker doesn't damage shields, it damages the player.

Yeah. I don't like how they did it. Bonus damage to the shield would still leave the shield somewhat effective, and not give a damage bonus after the shield is broken. It would give the sorc the option of deciding whether or not recasting the shield is worth it, or to focus more on damage/healing instead. Right now you're just being punished for using one of your key class abilities which is dumb. It would also give the bonus on all attacks rather than just light/heavy attacks... which would be a lot more interesting.

Now shield stacking sorcs who use to laugh at everyone who were calling for balance and trying to compromise want to compromise. Nice.

This is not directed at you. You just made me remember all the threads that non sorcs posted good compromises like no shield stacking or scaling off health like everyone else.

Instead we get this garbage that hurts other class shields. Sweet.

More sorc tears, think I'm going to need to invest in getting myself a little violin for every time I read them!

I swear I'm gonna get banned for this, but I couldn't resist...

LegendaryChef · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Crystelle wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I'd rather see it be double damage to shields myself. Personally I'm glad Sorcs know what it's like to actually take damage now, though. Running around with the least amount of health possible should not be viable concerning survivability.

Thing is though, Shield Breaker doesn't damage shields, it damages the player.

Yeah. I don't like how they did it. Bonus damage to the shield would still leave the shield somewhat effective, and not give a damage bonus after the shield is broken. It would give the sorc the option of deciding whether or not recasting the shield is worth it, or to focus more on damage/healing instead. Right now you're just being punished for using one of your key class abilities which is dumb. It would also give the bonus on all attacks rather than just light/heavy attacks... which would be a lot more interesting.

Now shield stacking sorcs who use to laugh at everyone who were calling for balance and trying to compromise want to compromise. Nice.

This is not directed at you. You just made me remember all the threads that non sorcs posted good compromises like no shield stacking or scaling off health like everyone else.

Instead we get this garbage that hurts other class shields. Sweet.

More sorc tears, think I'm going to need to invest in getting myself a little violin for every time I read them!

I swear I'm gonna get banned for this, but I couldn't resist...

Hahaha was so worth it if you do xD

contact.opiumb16_ESO · October 2015

I wrote sooner a solution to solve the main issue (shield stacking) that gave ZOS the bad idea to solve this issue (aka shield breaker). Please guys have a look to it here :

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/215648/a-smart-and-fair-solution-for-shield-stacking-and-shield-breaker-set-changes#latest

Darnathian · October 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

One more time here.... This is NOT a sorc nerf.... this affects everyone with a shield.

DK SCRUB OUT

Sorcs can actually troll allies by popping healing wards on low health players. It's like a bullseye for Shield Breaker snipers.

It gets better, DK petrify counts as a shield on the target, so you can Petrify someone who doesn't even use shields and start spamming the Shield Breaker on him.

You can 'spam' such a target with shieldbreaker exactly once, because the first light attack damage will break the petrify.

That would be nice if Petrify always broke when it was supposed to. I cannot count the number of times I've been hit by things like multiple Wrecking Blows while in Petrify and eventually having to CC break because the Petrify just refused to break on its own.

Petrify applies a ~1k shield. Any damage will deplete the shield. Whether the stun breaks or not - the shield will be gone after a single light attack.

Not if someone runs a level 1 bow. Lol

Darnathian · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

DK is way worse. Almost every class skill is destroyed.

You're a bit of a drama queen aren't you? An angry one at that.

Yes I am an angry one when a sorc says a DK is almost as bad off as a sorc.

Darnathian · October 2015

JackDaniell wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Shield breaker is a great set for killing people who have poorly made pvp builds.

Derra wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

Shield breaker is a great set for killing people who have poorly made pvp builds.

The only thing shieldbreaker is doing as of now is limiting the amount of skills a sorc can slot for defense (while being the only class to be limited this way). With orsinium the set will be hardcountered with the gear implemented an sorcs once again will have freedom to choose their defensive weaponry.

Discussion about it are moot at this point. It should have been changed to attack shields to remain vaible. It wasn´t and is now bound to become obsolete.

I'm sorry but many on this forum seam to be under the impression that Sorcs can only stack shields to survive, they actually have lots of heals that don't even require shield use. Also all classes can use shields (NB having the hardest time getting them).

I mean when 90% of sorts run the same build that is weak to one set, you would expect then to maybe adapt no? They can always keep mashing ward tho, then come to the forums and say thier class has no heals. Honestly these threads are just a place where people complain about not understanding proper build and game mechanics.

It's not that multiple classes can't do it. It's about it not being nearly as effective due to sorcs scaling off their highest stat.