The Decline and Fall of the Magicka DK

Alcast · October 2015

WRX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Please ask my Stamina templar how solo is.,..oh wait, they are alrdy extinct. Havent gotten killed my a Stamtemplar since IC patch

Ernest145 wrote: »

Umm templars are not that great solo just so you know. Amazing for large and small groups but not solo. Which I'm fine with in a way because I have still made both majicka and stam templar work for solo but still nothing compared to my sorc and night blade. As for dk, stam is really strong but is dumb because most stam dks use 2 class skills but igneous and battle roar with a stam dk offers a lot of sustain. Majicka dk is sort of where majicka templar is except we can just outheal you but we can't reflect stuff. I think Dks should get a better gap closer, dragon blood change, and change to a few passives but I think ultimate gen is fine and shouldn't be change.

I pretty much only play stamina templar now. My 2 max level magicka DKs have been retired to crafting, so my new main is my stamplar, which I've been playing for a few months now. I've never had any issues with solo play and it's AMAZING in groups. It is wildly superior to Magicka DK right now and I've recommended for all of my DK friends to roll stamplar because the playstyle is pretty similar to what Magicka DK used to be. If you're having trouble killing things with your stamplar, check your build.

Check out this vid, here i just tried some stuff out, could survive quite long but damage was too low so I stopped using this setup:
https://youtu.be/8Vw00Ns-sr4

JackDaniell wrote: »

DK doesn't have a built escape but they could use bow, DW quick cloak, rapids (snare immunity op). Not to mention DKS have tons of cc class skills, if used right you could use them to run from a zerg, such as spamming cinders behind you as you wing and use one of the above mentioned ways to move. I personally don't think DKS are supposed to come by mobility easily, but nothing is impossible, hell you could even build a stealth DK with enough CP now!

That is what i tried to do, sneaky DK works very good, but most DKs "insist" on using swordnboard..
And really, who cares about escape, just leap in and take one or two guys with you into death!
https://youtu.be/12E8BP3Xdjg

Yeah, the more weapon skills you use, the better it is...

That is what I hear of 99% of DKs, you guys sound to start like Sorcs when 1.6 hits: "But but..why cant i have 5x Sorc skills on both bars QQ...." Just pisses me off that ppl are always so small minded. I mean if you want to go full DK then go do some Roleplay

The keyskills to make this build work are all DK based, Molten+Take Flight+Petrify+Scales.

Its funny, because at first glance on your channel, I see nothing about magicka dk as of late, only stamina. But if I scroll I see magicka dk videos. Interesting.

All 4 of those skills you just mentioned favor playing stamina DK. I was not the best magicka DK by any means, but I was fairly good. And I also did play with the those I consider the best.

Magicka DK is not viable anymore. Possible maybe, but it is not the best choice for DK, and arguably the worst choice of all 8 combos.

I have never played Magicka DK before in PvP...just sayin lol. But seems now I have to test it

I am usually always on stam side since 1.3 in both PvE and PvP. But seems I have to give it a shot now...
Tho no matter what I come up with, ppl will say "Its not how you should play a DK"....da f....but w/e. keep thinking you will get to the old days of 1.5 where DK was ridiculous OP.

Maybe in the end you are right, maybe its utterly garbage, but you cannot excpect to do both anymore be tanky + deal OP dmg....choose one of both or go forum and QQ.

Galalin · October 2015

JackDaniell wrote: »

DK doesn't have a built escape but they could use bow, DW quick cloak, rapids (snare immunity op). Not to mention DKS have tons of cc class skills, if used right you could use them to run from a zerg, such as spamming cinders behind you as you wing and use one of the above mentioned ways to move. I personally don't think DKS are supposed to come by mobility easily, but nothing is impossible, hell you could even build a stealth DK with enough CP now!

Sure if you wanna run a DK with no gap closer

ADDED: most ppl including myslef would find building a DK to run away from fights absurd.

DK SCRUB OUT

Darnathian · October 2015

Alcast wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Please ask my Stamina templar how solo is.,..oh wait, they are alrdy extinct. Havent gotten killed my a Stamtemplar since IC patch

Ernest145 wrote: »

Umm templars are not that great solo just so you know. Amazing for large and small groups but not solo. Which I'm fine with in a way because I have still made both majicka and stam templar work for solo but still nothing compared to my sorc and night blade. As for dk, stam is really strong but is dumb because most stam dks use 2 class skills but igneous and battle roar with a stam dk offers a lot of sustain. Majicka dk is sort of where majicka templar is except we can just outheal you but we can't reflect stuff. I think Dks should get a better gap closer, dragon blood change, and change to a few passives but I think ultimate gen is fine and shouldn't be change.

I pretty much only play stamina templar now. My 2 max level magicka DKs have been retired to crafting, so my new main is my stamplar, which I've been playing for a few months now. I've never had any issues with solo play and it's AMAZING in groups. It is wildly superior to Magicka DK right now and I've recommended for all of my DK friends to roll stamplar because the playstyle is pretty similar to what Magicka DK used to be. If you're having trouble killing things with your stamplar, check your build.

Check out this vid, here i just tried some stuff out, could survive quite long but damage was too low so I stopped using this setup:
https://youtu.be/8Vw00Ns-sr4

JackDaniell wrote: »

DK doesn't have a built escape but they could use bow, DW quick cloak, rapids (snare immunity op). Not to mention DKS have tons of cc class skills, if used right you could use them to run from a zerg, such as spamming cinders behind you as you wing and use one of the above mentioned ways to move. I personally don't think DKS are supposed to come by mobility easily, but nothing is impossible, hell you could even build a stealth DK with enough CP now!

That is what i tried to do, sneaky DK works very good, but most DKs "insist" on using swordnboard..
And really, who cares about escape, just leap in and take one or two guys with you into death!
https://youtu.be/12E8BP3Xdjg

Yeah, the more weapon skills you use, the better it is...

That is what I hear of 99% of DKs, you guys sound to start like Sorcs when 1.6 hits: "But but..why cant i have 5x Sorc skills on both bars QQ...." Just pisses me off that ppl are always so small minded. I mean if you want to go full DK then go do some Roleplay

The keyskills to make this build work are all DK based, Molten+Take Flight+Petrify+Scales.

Its funny, because at first glance on your channel, I see nothing about magicka dk as of late, only stamina. But if I scroll I see magicka dk videos. Interesting.

All 4 of those skills you just mentioned favor playing stamina DK. I was not the best magicka DK by any means, but I was fairly good. And I also did play with the those I consider the best.

Magicka DK is not viable anymore. Possible maybe, but it is not the best choice for DK, and arguably the worst choice of all 8 combos.

I have never played Magicka DK before in PvP...just sayin lol. But seems now I have to test it

I am usually always on stam side since 1.3 in both PvE and PvP. But seems I have to give it a shot now...
Tho no matter what I come up with, ppl will say "Its not how you should play a DK"....da f....but w/e. keep thinking you will get to the old days of 1.5 where DK was ridiculous OP.

Maybe in the end you are right, maybe its utterly garbage, but you cannot excpect to do both anymore be tanky + deal OP dmg....choose one of both or go forum and QQ.

Ummmmmm sorc?

RadioheadSh0t · October 2015

Listen, I agree that DKs need a buff, but is it just routine now that people start a new thread about it every day?

Why any of what the OP said couldn't have been said in one of the million other DK threads (most if it has been) is beyond me.

No need to keep opening new threads over the same subject over and over and over again.

hammayolettuce · October 2015

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Listen, I agree that DKs need a buff, but is it just routine now that people start a new thread about it every day?

Why any of what the OP said couldn't have been said in one of the million other DK threads (most if it has been) is beyond me.

No need to keep opening new threads over the same subject over and over and over again.

Sure there is. There is massive frustration that has and will continue to be overlooked and ignored. Why should the DK be forced to wait months for a talons change. Why couldn't they just pull the code that persisted for months and just replace it on a bug update.

Then saying DKs have to wait until 2016 for buffs? There should be a thread created daily out of protest.

JackDaniell · October 2015

Galalin wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

DK doesn't have a built escape but they could use bow, DW quick cloak, rapids (snare immunity op). Not to mention DKS have tons of cc class skills, if used right you could use them to run from a zerg, such as spamming cinders behind you as you wing and use one of the above mentioned ways to move. I personally don't think DKS are supposed to come by mobility easily, but nothing is impossible, hell you could even build a stealth DK with enough CP now!

Sure if you wanna run a DK with no gap closer

ADDED: most ppl including myslef would find building a DK to run away from fights absurd.

DK SCRUB OUT

Check my previous post about a DK gap closer, and context of this post please.

Ishammael · October 2015

Informal poll:

How many magicka DKs do you see in cyrodiil on a daily basis?

Galalin · October 2015

JackDaniell wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

JackDaniell wrote: »

DK doesn't have a built escape but they could use bow, DW quick cloak, rapids (snare immunity op). Not to mention DKS have tons of cc class skills, if used right you could use them to run from a zerg, such as spamming cinders behind you as you wing and use one of the above mentioned ways to move. I personally don't think DKS are supposed to come by mobility easily, but nothing is impossible, hell you could even build a stealth DK with enough CP now!

Sure if you wanna run a DK with no gap closer

ADDED: most ppl including myslef would find building a DK to run away from fights absurd.

DK SCRUB OUT

Check my previous post about a DK gap closer, and context of this post please.

If you call chains a gap closer i guess you have a case but i call it a piece of *** skill that works only in the perfect world... which eso is not

DK SCRUB OUT

Cody · October 2015

I fought some Dks tonight, and honestly they weren't half bad:/ then again I haven't played in four months

Cody · October 2015

Maybe I should make one to see how bad they are.

RadioheadSh0t · October 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Listen, I agree that DKs need a buff, but is it just routine now that people start a new thread about it every day?

Why any of what the OP said couldn't have been said in one of the million other DK threads (most if it has been) is beyond me.

No need to keep opening new threads over the same subject over and over and over again.

Sure there is. There is massive frustration that has and will continue to be overlooked and ignored. Why should the DK be forced to wait months for a talons change. Why couldn't they just pull the code that persisted for months and just replace it on a bug update.

Then saying DKs have to wait until 2016 for buffs? There should be a thread created daily out of protest.

How is "The Decline and Fall of the Magicka DK" any different than "The Death of the Dragonknight"? Well the latter was at least a thoughtful constructive post, this is just "oh look how good DK used to be," which actually kinda inadvertently makes the case for the nerfs OP is complaining about.

How is redundancy in any way constructive?

It ends up being 20% legitimate discussion, 80% wah wah.

And 90% of the players complaining never admit that DKs ever had any overpowered issues either. ZOS may have went overboard with the nerf hammer, but the previous DK builds were terribly balanced and clearly the best on the battlefield for quite a long time.

sirston · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Hmmm I understand the frustration at the current state of DKs, I really do.

But bringing back videos of the times when a DK would yolo into 15-20 man zergs and not only tank but do insane AoE DPS while perma-blocking on Light Armor and never running out of resources thanks to Battle Roar and Bats....

If that's supposed to make me empathise more, it's not. It's having the opposite effect.

I remember Back in 1.5 I took off all my armor but my warlock set and still whooped buts; when I was running groups in Pride

Yonkit · October 2015

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Listen, I agree that DKs need a buff, but is it just routine now that people start a new thread about it every day?

Why any of what the OP said couldn't have been said in one of the million other DK threads (most if it has been) is beyond me.

No need to keep opening new threads over the same subject over and over and over again.

Sure there is. There is massive frustration that has and will continue to be overlooked and ignored. Why should the DK be forced to wait months for a talons change. Why couldn't they just pull the code that persisted for months and just replace it on a bug update.

Then saying DKs have to wait until 2016 for buffs? There should be a thread created daily out of protest.

How is "The Decline and Fall of the Magicka DK" any different than "The Death of the Dragonknight"? Well the latter was at least a thoughtful constructive post, this is just "oh look how good DK used to be," which actually kinda inadvertently makes the case for the nerfs OP is complaining about.

How is redundancy in any way constructive?

It ends up being 20% legitimate discussion, 80% wah wah.

And 90% of the players complaining never admit that DKs ever had any overpowered issues either. ZOS may have went overboard with the nerf hammer, but the previous DK builds were terribly balanced and clearly the best on the battlefield for quite a long time.

DKs we're only ever overpowered when idiots charged them surrounded them and fed them ultimate to spam, yes, they were heavily unbalanced, but only ever overpowered when you fed them ultimate.

Last patch, and the previous patch, they were completely fine in terms of balance, obviously a little more tweaking needed to be done, but instead of tweaks, ZoS overhauled the game with the IC patch and neutered everything that made the Magicka DK good. All we can do is provide CC for a group... That's... Really it.. Can't even tank that well anymore, and don't get me started on our damage output lol.

Jules · October 2015

Omg that banner down video made me so happy and so sad at the same time. That was amazing!! Hahaha
Magicka dk isn't even recognizable these days. It just has nothing left to nerf.

Jules · October 2015

Zheg wrote: »

We don't really need more of these threads, do we? Other classes have been at the bottom of the barrel for waaaay longer. Stam builds were at the bottom of the barrel until just recently. The tide will shift back in favor of DKs soon enough, so, even though a lot of my friends play DKs (and even though I have one as well) - chill with the gloom and doom already

NO ZHEG THE WORLD IS OVER AND EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE DROWNED IN MAGICKA DK TEARS. QQ

Ishammael · October 2015

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Listen, I agree that DKs need a buff, but is it just routine now that people start a new thread about it every day?

Why any of what the OP said couldn't have been said in one of the million other DK threads (most if it has been) is beyond me.

No need to keep opening new threads over the same subject over and over and over again.

Sure there is. There is massive frustration that has and will continue to be overlooked and ignored. Why should the DK be forced to wait months for a talons change. Why couldn't they just pull the code that persisted for months and just replace it on a bug update.

Then saying DKs have to wait until 2016 for buffs? There should be a thread created daily out of protest.

How is "The Decline and Fall of the Magicka DK" any different than "The Death of the Dragonknight"? Well the latter was at least a thoughtful constructive post, this is just "oh look how good DK used to be," which actually kinda inadvertently makes the case for the nerfs OP is complaining about.

How is redundancy in any way constructive?

It ends up being 20% legitimate discussion, 80% wah wah.

And 90% of the players complaining never admit that DKs ever had any overpowered issues either. ZOS may have went overboard with the nerf hammer, but the previous DK builds were terribly balanced and clearly the best on the battlefield for quite a long time.

Were DKs overpowered in 1.5? Yes. But mostly relied on bad players feeding them ultimate. Just a few tweaks and a they would have been fine.

Next, DKs were the #1 zerg buster. Stack on crown? A DK (or two) will dive in on you. That style of gameplay is deader that ***, now. The YOLO, zerg-dive mentality is what magicka DKs want back. We have never had the highest dmg in PvP, good movement, nor an escape. We fought till we died or won. DKs have been nerfed so hard that now we just fight and die.

Lava_Croft · October 2015

People spent a year adapting to OP Dragon Knights, while it seems that Dragon Knights aren't really that motivated to adapt themselves to the new situation.

Darnathian · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People spent a year adapting to OP Dragon Knights, while it seems that Dragon Knights aren't really that motivated to adapt themselves to the new situation.

We adapted in every patch. You know not what you say. Clearly you do not have a DK. There is nothing to adapt to in this patch for a magicka dk. All the old school ones that have aged it since the beginning have either rerolled a new toon, quit, or went stam. Frozen rolled a sorc I heard. Lol

Rylana · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People spent a year adapting to OP Dragon Knights, while it seems that Dragon Knights aren't really that motivated to adapt themselves to the new situation.

Adapt with what exactly? Class skills? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

There are only three builds that even work for DK at the present, and only two are PvP worthy.

- A full Heavy Armor Stam blocktank that is utterly useless in PvP

- A stamina nightblade build without the mobility or cloak

- A magicka sorc build without the mobility or shields (and no, igneous does not pass off as a viable replacement for hardened ward, sorry) and hope to hell you have a healer because you aint gonna be healing yourself

The Dragonknight has absolutely no legitimate role in PvP anymore. Any DK can be easily replaced by another class and the group will get stronger regardless of player.

Both of my DKs are now sitting on the shelf for the most part. Even my v2 stamplar gets more playtime now. At least the stamplar is useful. I wish i could class change Dannika to a sorc, at least then it would make sense and have the class skills to support what I am trying to do for the group.

Cody · October 2015

Rylana wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People spent a year adapting to OP Dragon Knights, while it seems that Dragon Knights aren't really that motivated to adapt themselves to the new situation.

Adapt with what exactly? Class skills? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

There are only three builds that even work for DK at the present, and only two are PvP worthy.

- A full Heavy Armor Stam blocktank that is utterly useless in PvP

- A stamina nightblade build without the mobility or cloak

- A magicka sorc build without the mobility or shields (and no, igneous does not pass off as a viable replacement for hardened ward, sorry) and hope to hell you have a healer because you aint gonna be healing yourself

The Dragonknight has absolutely no legitimate role in PvP anymore. Any DK can be easily replaced by another class and the group will get stronger regardless of player.

Both of my DKs are now sitting on the shelf for the most part. Even my v2 stamplar gets more playtime now. At least the stamplar is useful. I wish i could class change Dannika to a sorc, at least then it would make sense and have the class skills to support what I am trying to do for the group.

its really that bad? I did not notice it last night:/ in fact a DK whooped my butt last night; it was embarrassing. lol

Rylana · October 2015

Cody wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People spent a year adapting to OP Dragon Knights, while it seems that Dragon Knights aren't really that motivated to adapt themselves to the new situation.

Adapt with what exactly? Class skills? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

There are only three builds that even work for DK at the present, and only two are PvP worthy.

- A full Heavy Armor Stam blocktank that is utterly useless in PvP

- A stamina nightblade build without the mobility or cloak

- A magicka sorc build without the mobility or shields (and no, igneous does not pass off as a viable replacement for hardened ward, sorry) and hope to hell you have a healer because you aint gonna be healing yourself

The Dragonknight has absolutely no legitimate role in PvP anymore. Any DK can be easily replaced by another class and the group will get stronger regardless of player.

Both of my DKs are now sitting on the shelf for the most part. Even my v2 stamplar gets more playtime now. At least the stamplar is useful. I wish i could class change Dannika to a sorc, at least then it would make sense and have the class skills to support what I am trying to do for the group.

its really that bad? I did not notice it last night:/ in fact a DK whooped my butt last night; it was embarrassing. lol

Stam DKs are nasty, but suffer some drawbacks compared to their cloaky brethren. Magicka DKs require group support to really hold their own, since they are basically now limited to damage with no self survival skills or all self survival with no damage.

There are a few builds out there that can squeak by in smallman or 1v1, but yeah it really is that bad for anything organized or up against larger numbers.

Psilent · October 2015

I found out a good way to kill people in the sewers with my magicka DK!

1. Go to the popular grind spot.
2. Pull all the mobs in a room and go right for the group of AD/DC farming.
3. Spam draw essence
4. Use Structured Entropy
5. Use Dawnbreaker of Smiting
6. Your next ult will be charged now, so use Bats.
7. Keep spamming Draw Essence; this is important you cannot stop.
8. Watch as the EXP/AP floods your screen as everyone just dies.
9. Look at your health/magicka bars and see the pretty 100% next to them. Smile and let the one NB get away while you act like your leaving.
10. Repeat steps 1 - 9 when said NB resurrects everyone!

Rylana · October 2015

Psilent wrote: »

I found out a good way to kill people in the sewers with my magicka DK!

1. Go to the popular grind spot.
2. Pull all the mobs in a room and go right for the group of AD/DC farming.
3. Spam draw essence
4. Use Structured Entropy
5. Use Dawnbreaker of Smiting
6. Your next ult will be charged now, so use Bats.
7. Keep spamming Draw Essence; this is important you cannot stop.
8. Watch as the EXP/AP floods your screen as everyone just dies.
9. Look at your health/magicka bars and see the pretty 100% next to them. Smile and let the one NB get away while you act like your leaving.
10. Repeat steps 1 - 9 when said NB resurrects everyone!

lel, the ultimate magicka DK skill - trainmobs (morph of tauntmobs)

OtarTheMad · October 2015

Dragonknights are an odd class that are basically badass Battlemages. They have close up abilities for hand to hand combat but are magicka based. It's hard to find a good combo that suits the DK, probably will be better if they added a Spellsword skill line or changed some of the useless DK abilities to something else.

I have tried to make magicka DK work myself and it's hard now. Maybe someone just needs to find the right build, I don't know. My stamina DK does just fine, was good when he was a tank as well but magicka... didn't work out well with this update.

Make Draw Essence like sap essence (targets I mean), make Igneous Shield go off of whatever attribute is higher, lower the cost of some of these abilities a bit, give us back burst heal on Lava whip and make GDB not affected by new healing nerfs. Maybe even revert chains back to when you only pulled the player... versus getting pulled yourself.

Poxheart · October 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People spent a year adapting to OP Dragon Knights, while it seems that Dragon Knights aren't really that motivated to adapt themselves to the new situation.

False. If people actually adapted to DKs then DKs wouldn't be in the sorry state they are now.

Nijjion · October 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Maybe in the end you are right, maybe its utterly garbage, but you cannot excpect to do both anymore be tanky + deal OP dmg....choose one of both or go forum and QQ.

Then we need a get away like sorc or NB... as DKs had tankiness with damage to combat no get away.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People spent a year adapting to OP Dragon Knights, while it seems that Dragon Knights aren't really that motivated to adapt themselves to the new situation.

Noone adapted to my knowledge... just look at scales. Simply going to melee would of made this skill useless. Still it got nerfed.

Etaniel · October 2015

@Ishammael l I said I'd be making a video to show DK's aren't as dead as people say they are, here it is :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw

RadioheadSh0t · October 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

Listen, I agree that DKs need a buff, but is it just routine now that people start a new thread about it every day?

Why any of what the OP said couldn't have been said in one of the million other DK threads (most if it has been) is beyond me.

No need to keep opening new threads over the same subject over and over and over again.

Sure there is. There is massive frustration that has and will continue to be overlooked and ignored. Why should the DK be forced to wait months for a talons change. Why couldn't they just pull the code that persisted for months and just replace it on a bug update.

Then saying DKs have to wait until 2016 for buffs? There should be a thread created daily out of protest.

How is "The Decline and Fall of the Magicka DK" any different than "The Death of the Dragonknight"? Well the latter was at least a thoughtful constructive post, this is just "oh look how good DK used to be," which actually kinda inadvertently makes the case for the nerfs OP is complaining about.

How is redundancy in any way constructive?

It ends up being 20% legitimate discussion, 80% wah wah.

And 90% of the players complaining never admit that DKs ever had any overpowered issues either. ZOS may have went overboard with the nerf hammer, but the previous DK builds were terribly balanced and clearly the best on the battlefield for quite a long time.

DKs we're only ever overpowered when idiots charged them surrounded them and fed them ultimate to spam, yes, they were heavily unbalanced, but only ever overpowered when you fed them ultimate.

Last patch, and the previous patch, they were completely fine in terms of balance, obviously a little more tweaking needed to be done, but instead of tweaks, ZoS overhauled the game with the IC patch and neutered everything that made the Magicka DK good. All we can do is provide CC for a group... That's... Really it.. Can't even tank that well anymore, and don't get me started on our damage output lol.

That's not true. DKs were good in any situation pre-1.6.

No class is as overpowered now as DKs once were. My DK in 1.5 was stronger than my Sorc in 1.6 or Stamblade in 1.7. Not to mention I still run into Stam DKs that are as tough as any other build I run into.

Alcast · October 2015

I just got gear together to test Magicka DK and its totally fine, only thing that kinda sucks is the mobility (SAME AS TEMPLARS).

I hate to say it but it is a l2p issue

Galalin · October 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

@Ishammael l I said I'd be making a video to show DK's aren't as dead as people say they are, here it is :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzELYnlbyjw

Just wanted to point out the fact that 2 experienced PvPers killing PvE noobs in the sewers hardly proves they are ok. Im betting that you 2 could play any other classes and have killed them a lot more efficiently.

DK SCRUB OUT