Why are people so close minded when it comes to builds?

a1x23 · September 2015

I dont understand why people who do the daily pledges are so close minded about builds. My sorc does more dps than most people ive met but ive had people complain about my build, just cause i dont have the skills they think are best. Same with my brothers tank who uses dual weild instead of sheild and sword. What people dont understand is that there is more than one way to play this game and if it works whats the problem?

SirAndy · September 2015

Makes them feel like they have power. Strokes their ego.

I was lucky to find several guilds with great members that have no problem running with players like me that like to experiment with different builds.

I can't even remember the last time i had a "cookie cutter" build ...

mr_wazzabi · September 2015

As long as you and your bro can continue to have success in vet dungeons, it's all good.

But if you notice your group is wiping a lot, it might be time to rethink your builds.

Addihul · September 2015

Screw conformity. Do what you gotta do.. Meta is for meta players. If you're not them... COOL! Less eating, sleeping, and dreaming about ESO and more time to have a life.

eliisra · September 2015

Than you haven't seen people's requirements in zones now when pugging dps for new VR WGT and ICP.

It's like:

LF2M ranged DD only 3k spell dmg, link full achievement

a1x23 · September 2015

@SirAndy we never have issues doing dungeons, we did elden hollow with 3 people the other day. So if we do wipe its usually due to the healer not being up to par

Usara · September 2015

a1x23 wrote: »

So if we do wipe its usually due to the healer not being up to par

AH AH !

I laughed hard, thanks.
When something goes wrong, always assume it's the healer fault.
Nice way to think really.

sebban · September 2015

a1x23 wrote: »

Same with my brothers tank who uses dual weild instead of sheild and sword.

a1x23 wrote: »

So if we do wipe its usually due to the healer not being up to par.

You don't see the problem here?

Turelus · September 2015

Usara wrote: »

a1x23 wrote: »

So if we do wipe its usually due to the healer not being up to par

AH AH !

I laughed hard, thanks.
When something goes wrong, always assume it's the healer fault.
Nice way to think really.

That's what the DSA announcer said, so it must be true!

Rosveen · September 2015

Does your brother at least slot Inner Fire or is it too mainstream for him?

a1x23 · September 2015

We finish most dungeons with out wiping once. Every once in a while we a healer that literally cant heal enough. We get a new healer and what happens? We finish without even close to dying. I actually find having him use DW helps burn bosses faster.

@sebban he keeps agro better than most the sword and sheild tanks even without having both taunts.

@Usara is it not pissible that a healer is just terrible?

I think most people read builds online and think that its the ONLY build you can use

a1x23 · September 2015

@Rosveen is that a serious question? i really hope not

Rosveen · September 2015

a1x23 wrote: »

@Rosveen is that a serious question? i really hope not

So that's a yes or no?

I was only half-joking there. You'd be surprised how far some people take "play how you want."

LameoveR · September 2015

ITEM LEVEL 700+ REQUIRED!
omg, i'd just don't give a ***.

a1x23 · September 2015

@rosveen of course he does haha

Junglejim82 · September 2015

To answer the op - because sypher delta and king Richard showed them the only builds they'll ever know ( till they upload a new one ) . Only celebrity players can theorycraft and create builds gamers know this .

Respect to those 3 any stuff I've read of theirs is solid it's the guys lining their pockets at fault

frenchyuk86 · September 2015

One day I'm driving down the road I can take route a which will get me to my destination in 30 minutes or I can take route b which will get me to my destination in 3 hours.

eventide03b14a_ESO · September 2015

a1x23 wrote: »

I dont understand why people who do the daily pledges are so close minded about builds. My sorc does more dps than most people ive met but ive had people complain about my build, just cause i dont have the skills they think are best. Same with my brothers tank who uses dual weild instead of sheild and sword. What people dont understand is that there is more than one way to play this game and if it works whats the problem?

What are your sorc's DPS numbers? What skills are you using that people say you shouldn't. I could support your position maybe if you had left out those pesky things called facts.

eventide03b14a_ESO · September 2015

sebban wrote: »

a1x23 wrote: »

Same with my brothers tank who uses dual weild instead of sheild and sword.

a1x23 wrote: »

So if we do wipe its usually due to the healer not being up to par.

You don't see the problem here?

I agree. You should be relatively self sufficient no matter what class or role you play.

eventide03b14a_ESO · September 2015

a1x23 wrote: »

We finish most dungeons with out wiping once. Every once in a while we a healer that literally cant heal enough. We get a new healer and what happens? We finish without even close to dying. I actually find having him use DW helps burn bosses faster.

@sebban he keeps agro better than most the sword and sheild tanks even without having both taunts.

@Usara is it not pissible that a healer is just terrible?

I think most people read builds online and think that its the ONLY build you can use

You know it's not his job to "burn bosses", that's why you (presumably) have two DPS. As I read this thread further I am coming to the conclusion that you're not someone I would want to group with. I hope you're not EP.

REiiGN15 · September 2015

a1x23 wrote: »

I dont understand why people who do the daily pledges are so close minded about builds. Same with my brothers tank who uses dual weild instead of sheild and sword.

Okay, I'm going to let you in on something. Tanking is about damage mitigation and aggro. Dual Wield does not cover that. At all. Plus, I bet he's running medium armor...another no. Sword and Board has a ton of passive strictly built for survivability.

DO NOT ASK PEOPLE for their time if you don't have the right stuff. Your sorc is fine but know that you lose your healer at all then you need to have a ton of wards up and get the healer back up.

timidobserver · September 2015

a1x23 wrote: »

@SirAndy we never have issues doing dungeons, we did elden hollow with 3 people the other day. So if we do wipe its usually due to the healer not being up to par

Definitely the healer's fault not the dual wielding tank.

Scyantific · September 2015

Let's see... Where to begin...

"We 3-manned Elden Hollow"
This isn't a major achievement. Veteran Elden Hollow is hilariously easy to 3-man, and is 2-mannable with 2 dps that carry self heals (my guildmate and his SO do this on a consistent basis; he's a Crit Surge Melee Sorc and she's a magicka NB). Brag when you can 3-man Vet CoH without a tank on hard mode w/o a single death.

"My brother is a dual wielding tank that burns down bosses"
Ok no, your brother is NOT a tank, he's just a DPS that draws aggro. Look at what you're missing from the tank role:
-Aggro with Armor Redux and Spell Resist Redux from Pierce Armor
-Damage mitigation with Low/Deep/Heroic Slash
-Further Damage mitigation with Defensive Posture and a majority of the SnB and Heavy Armor passives
If I were a betting man I'd bet that your brother goes Whirling Blades for that stamina regen, lol.

"If we wipe it's usually the healer's fault."
Really? Out of all the things that could go wrong in a dungeon run, you flat out blame the healer. Gonna go with @eventide03b14a_ESO and hope you're not NA/PC/EP because I wouldn't ever want to run with you. It seems these days that if a group wipes, it was obviously the healer or tank's fault because the dps was doing their job right the whole time, amiritefellas? If you honestly expect the healer or tank to get your dps out of every sticky situation while dungeon running then they're not the problem, you are.

So yeah, reconsider your actual roles before complaining about people being *** about dungeon groups. Most people who do PUGs at least expect some form of competency in whatever roles they're looking for, especially the healers and tanks that are rare these days; they put up with far more crap than entitled DPS folk who think they're king of sh** mountain.

Usara · September 2015

a1x23 wrote: »

@Usara is it not pissible that a healer is just terrible?

Of course it can, but looks like in this case, it's not

FYI I never read builds online, but guess what ? Usually, my builds are mostly what you call "everyone's build".
Why ? Because when you read your skills and test them a bit, you realise what works and what doesn't. And I say test them, I mean in trials and now IC vet dungeons.
Or find me a build for a sorc tank for vet Prison. I'm pretty sure you won't, doesn't mean I haven't done it with my sorc tank on a daily basis.
So please, spare us "we are thinking out of the box" when you are just people bringing others down. Thanks.

Merlin13KAGL · September 2015

OP, does your build meet with success? If so, then don't worry about it.

You either clear the content and contribute, or you don't. If you do, then your group of 'recommenders' have nothing to complain about.

(There are some fights where certain skills and/or synergies are more effective. Are you sure it is not for those reasons that they make recommendations?)

EDIT: "This build" is not required for any content. Every build was initially designed for the first time by someone. Yours may be just such a build.

You may end up teaching them a thing or two.

frenchyuk86 wrote: »

One day I'm driving down the road I can take route a which will get me to my destination in 30 minutes or I can take route b which will get me to my destination in 3 hours.

True, @frenchyuk86 , except you just got your license. So:

You can hop on the Autobahn and get there faster, likely getting run over in the process, knowing only how to mash on the pedal.
Or, you can take the 3 hour version, complete with twists and turns, and actually know how to drive once you arrive.

Take tips from the Pro's after you've established the initial skill set.

There's a reason they don't throw 16 yr old's into the Forumla One circuit.

Jitterbug · September 2015

Addihul wrote: »

Screw conformity. Do what you gotta do.. Meta is for meta players. If you're not them... COOL! Less eating, sleeping, and dreaming about ESO and more time to have a life.

failkiwib16_ESO · September 2015

People from a zonechat don't owe you their trust. If they're not already OP, then they want a standard tank and dps, to ensure that they get completion. The better players only take pugs in, when they just need a meatbag to take a little aggro, for that matter you can be a v1 dps as long as your hp is above 16k they don't care what you do.

That said, most dungeons don't need a tank in heavy armor, or a tank at all. Darkshade Caverns for example is a dungeon where a standard tank would just drag the time out, and make the dungeon run slower. It's best to go with 3 dps and 1 healer. vet CoA can be done with a tank with 15-16k health and no attribute points spent in stamina.

Most healers are not very experienced or good, and often they don't know what you want to be buffed with. However if the dps is slow, or the group is inexperienced it happens that 2 dps don't rush over to clear adds away from the squishy healer and healer dies because of this.

For pledges it is best to join a pve guild, and do dungeons with them - or get many friends. Because you will know eachother and have trust in eachothers capabilities.

Btw. I am curious, what level are you and your brother, and what is your standard dps against single target bosses?
Also what builds do you run?

TheDarkShadow · September 2015

Let's me put it this way, using simple tetris shapes. The "normal" group has 2 dps, they are the L and J shape pieces, the healer is the O shape piece, and the tank is the I shape piece. Together they make a full 4x4 square. Now the OP and his/her brother, are the T and Z pieces. Of course you can still make a 4x4 tetris square with a T and Z piece if you have another T and L pieces. But what if the group only have the normal O and L? Then you can't make a 4x4 square, and you can't blame the O and L piece for that. What they want, is another J and I piece, not a T and Z.

If the OP and his/her brother want to make a 4x4 square in his own way, then no one can stop them to make a group and looking for a T and L piece. But if you're joining other people squares, don't expect them to change their shape to fit you.

Usara · September 2015

TheDarkShadow wrote: »

Let's me put it this way, using simple tetris shapes. The "normal" group has 2 dps, they are the L and J shape pieces, the healer is the O shape piece, and the tank is the I shape piece. Together they make a full 4x4 square. Now the OP and his/her brother, are the T and Z pieces. Of course you can still make a 4x4 tetris square with a T and Z piece if you have another T and L pieces. But what if the group only have the normal O and L? Then you can't make a 4x4 square, and you can't blame the O and L piece for that. What they want, is another J and I piece, not a T and Z.

If the OP and his/her brother want to make a 4x4 square in his own way, then no one can stop them to make a group and looking for a T and L piece. But if you're joining other people squares, don't expect them to change their shape to fit you.

Well explained (and nicier than my own post

)

Artjuh90 · October 2015

Well zenimax designed this game that you could wield every weapon and armor with every class.
why shouldn't we use this freedom. (they intendet the game to be this way)
got nothing more to say about it