[Dissappointed] Clearly Orsinium was intended to be V18

Teargrants · October 2015

It's pretty apparent at this point that Orsinium was designed to come w/ a lvl cap increase to V18. Most likely ZOS backed down from that and quickly went about removing all evidence of it after the huge QQ-fest about V16 w/ IC.

All I have to say is, ZOS I feel betrayed. You took from me the wonderful opportunity to regrind all my newly acquired V16 gear just 2 months after IC. You took from me the immershuns of spending buckets of gold re-enchanting everything. You took from me my sense of progresshuns! What meaning does my life have any longer?

I was promised many an ESO Live ago that you understood my tortured soul, that you understood how I loved an endless wasteland of infinite gear grind.

olsborg · October 2015

Im pretty sure ill uninstall eso if they increase the vet ranks again. Just sayin..

hammayolettuce · October 2015

I literally only log on to grind mats to do my writs every day. Quality content.

k2blader · October 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Im pretty sure ill uninstall eso if they increase the vet ranks again. Just sayin..

Strangely enough an increase of a couple more ranks doesn't bother me as much as new crafting mats grind. Cuz lordy, IC's a bad, sad enough grind..

Teargrants · October 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

I literally only log on to grind mats to do my writs every day. Quality content.

Have fun doing writs w/ mats that don't exist yet.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

I just want a common sense answer why we are seeing more and more DLC but an announced major change is still only half done....now with added complexities.

Falhael · October 2015

Somehow it also seems like Orsinium has already been finished for ages. Or how come the symbols for the two public group dungeons are the ones we had ages ago?

Well, at least they kept their promise of not raising vet ranks yet again with the next DLC, it's still funny that they apparently indeed planned on raising vet ranks even higher after having promised their removal. What were they even thinking?

Saturn · October 2015

This is a ridiculous post <.<

Teargrants · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I just want a common sense answer why we are seeing more and more DLC but an announced major change is still only half done....now with added complexities.

You mean the removal of vet ranks? Iuno, maybe if you'd be willing to buy [Veteran Rank Removal Pack] from the crown store for $25.

olsborg · October 2015

k2blader wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Im pretty sure ill uninstall eso if they increase the vet ranks again. Just sayin..

Strangely enough an increase of a couple more ranks doesn't bother me as much as new crafting mats grind. Cuz lordy, IC's a bad, sad enough grind..

Its not the vet ranks themself that bugs me, its the grind to get competetive gear for pvp. Its already a pain the in the butt for someone who hates pve in eso.

k2blader · October 2015

olsborg wrote: »

k2blader wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Im pretty sure ill uninstall eso if they increase the vet ranks again. Just sayin..

Strangely enough an increase of a couple more ranks doesn't bother me as much as new crafting mats grind. Cuz lordy, IC's a bad, sad enough grind..

Its not the vet ranks themself that bugs me, its the grind to get competetive gear for pvp. Its already a pain the in the butt for someone who hates pve in eso.

Oh I totally hear you..

nimander99 · October 2015

The original plan was a VR increase every new zone added so I'm not surprised... They had a plan, I wish they would've stuck with it, now we are going to have big problems from deviating.

Ultimately I fear the unmitigated disaster that full Rank removal will cause...

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I just want a common sense answer why we are seeing more and more DLC but an announced major change is still only half done....now with added complexities.

You mean the removal of vet ranks? Iuno, maybe if you'd be willing to buy [Veteran Rank Removal Pack] from the crown store for $25.

Nice lol!!

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

The original plan was a VR increase every new zone added so I'm not surprised... They had a plan, I wish they would've stuck with it, now we are going to have big problems from deviating.

Ultimately I fear the unmitigated disaster that full Rank removal will cause...

U sure?

VR removal was announced a little after Craglorn...before champion levels
Where did you see adding VR levels was the original plan?

Scyantific · October 2015

LMAO if you thought they were done raising the cap.

Just, LMAO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o

nimander99 · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

The original plan was a VR increase every new zone added so I'm not surprised... They had a plan, I wish they would've stuck with it, now we are going to have big problems from deviating.

Ultimately I fear the unmitigated disaster that full Rank removal will cause...

U sure?

VR removal was announced a little after Craglorn...before champion levels
Where did you see adding VR levels was the original plan?

When the first VRanks were announced and we got several with lower crag upper crag etc... they were saying initially the plan was to add 2 every zone, that's what made me start playing the game when I did (June 2014) was that selling point, new progression every couple months or so.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

The original plan was a VR increase every new zone added so I'm not surprised... They had a plan, I wish they would've stuck with it, now we are going to have big problems from deviating.

Ultimately I fear the unmitigated disaster that full Rank removal will cause...

U sure?

VR removal was announced a little after Craglorn...before champion levels
Where did you see adding VR levels was the original plan?

When the first VRanks were announced and we got several with lower crag upper crag etc... they were saying initially the plan was to add 2 every zone, that's what made me start playing the game when I did (June 2014) was that selling point, new progression every couple months or so.

VR were introduced during closed beta.
The game was better without them...better without having characters in diff factions, better without silver n gold quests but June 2014 was waaaay after VR were added.

Craglorn was also waaaay after and some of the dialogue around why VR levels kept getting raised and why VR exp was raised and exp gains were lowered. Whatever and who ever is behind all this has spread it to champion levels.

All I'm saying is finish the job that was presented about removing VR levels and allowing champion levels to be the replacement

That's a start
Then we can dialogue around this new champion point catch up idea (insanity - doing the same thing over and over expecting different results)

Scyantific · October 2015

Ok real talk: Get rid of the Champion System since ZOS clearly has no clue what they're doing with it and just keep vet ranks. It's already hilariously easy enough to hit the cap within days after launch, so no one really has any excuse not to keep progressing towards the cap.

Xeven · October 2015

HOW I MINE FOR BRISTLECONE?

WitchyWarrior · October 2015

Here is another that I have never heard of to go along with the "Bristlecone Ice Staff"

Nokude Rune. I've never heard of it either.

Xjcon · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I just want a common sense answer why we are seeing more and more DLC but an announced major change is still only half done....now with added complexities.

I can only speculate, but I think a lot of the content was made awhile ago and the plan was to keep dropping it in here and there to keep people playing while paying a sub. After the sub model didn't show numbers zos needed to run they had to lay lots of people off and scale the whole thing back. After that the direction of the game has gone to a B2P model and to make money they now give us small pieces of the game slowly for more initial sales.

Hiero_Glyph · October 2015

Who cares about having to level up? The problem is needing to regrind all of your gear, especially when the majority of the sets are not even scaled up to the new level cap. Then add in new enchantments, new materials (that you need 10x as much of for absolutely no reason; read: artificial grind), gold material for upgrading, and possibly a new currency and you are left with a tedious grind. Oh wait, there's more. Now add in unique sets that only drop for completing specific content like monster trophies, or completing a group or solo arena, or having to clear a dungeon countless times with an abysmal drop rate.

ZOS needs to implement a way to upgrade the level of your gear. They also need to add crafted jewelry or some way to make jewelry for crafted sets. There are so many useless sets in the game I don't understand why they have to keep adding more. Fix the 90% of useless content!

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

Xjcon wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I just want a common sense answer why we are seeing more and more DLC but an announced major change is still only half done....now with added complexities.

I can only speculate, but I think a lot of the content was made awhile ago and the plan was to keep dropping it in here and there to keep people playing while paying a sub. After the sub model didn't show numbers zos needed to run they had to lay lots of people off and scale the whole thing back. After that the direction of the game has gone to a B2P model and to make money they now give us small pieces of the game slowly for more initial sales.

But even still how dumb is it to develop content without adjust for an announcement made over 12 months ago

Maulkin · October 2015

I think in the last couple of threads Teargrants has really hit form. He's managed to hit a whole new level of trolling. He's turned it up to eleven...

Edit: For those that are too young to get the joke clicky this

Yattaq · October 2015

Hagebutte wrote: »

Somehow it also seems like Orsinium has already been finished for ages. Or how come the symbols for the two public group dungeons are the ones we had ages ago?

It would be extremely naive to think parts of Orsinium haven't been done for ages, but it would be even more naive to think the entirety of it has been done for ages.

melodeath · October 2015

ive spend more than a million gold on my new gear just to find out that a month later all the things that ive spend so much on will basicly be free.

thats litterly hours upon hours of completely waisted effort.

CP5 · October 2015

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

The original plan was a VR increase every new zone added so I'm not surprised... They had a plan, I wish they would've stuck with it, now we are going to have big problems from deviating.

Ultimately I fear the unmitigated disaster that full Rank removal will cause...

U sure?

VR removal was announced a little after Craglorn...before champion levels
Where did you see adding VR levels was the original plan?

Wasn't the first showing of IC right about that time as well, and they also showed Orsinium and Murkmire at the same time real early in their development? Things take time to develop, its expected loose ends would get stuck around here and there. They added vet ranks with Craglorn so it was clear that their initial intent was to add some each dlc, and the roots for implementing that is what is seen here.

HeroOfNone · October 2015

[Opinion] Removing Veteran Ranks? Well probably not in the way you're thinking...

As previously mentioned, I believe ZOS intended to raise vet ranks every new DLC or zone to keep the challenge up for players. With the push back on vet ranks, their impending removal, and release of DLC so close to imperial city's release I believe it would have ramped up the progression faster than folks could keep up. Few have enough materials for a full set of v16 unless they grind, let alone the casuals that have barely got to v14. Raising it now wouldn't be good for the general public.

Now, the real concern you should be thinking is that after Orsinium is released is when the vet ranks were going to be removed, so how are they going to do it? How will it work with the CP cap they just put in and mentioned would matter more than your level? Hope you're seeing where the train tracks are headed in this design

Jar_Ek · October 2015

Frankly the vr grind is nowhere near as bad as the gear regrind, so a couple more vr hurts because of the gear and material grind not the actual gaining of levels.

Prizax · October 2015

I was pretty sure they were going to increase the veteran cap by 2 veteran levels each new DLC since IC came out but now I can say they will do so each 2 new DLCs...

Docmandu · October 2015

Hagebutte wrote: »

Somehow it also seems like Orsinium has already been finished for ages. Or how come the symbols for the two public group dungeons are the ones we had ages ago?

They didn't release it ages ago since it had to go through their very thorough QA department so they could release it as bug free as the main game release !

... tries to keep a straight face ...