And dont Forget, without a good Tank or Healer you cant reach your Goals. So People give them a Hug and some Love, offer them a better Teamwork. Sets are only Options, there are more Ways to reach the Target.

Justice31st wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons

Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...

If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.

Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/

Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.

Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.

Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?

SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.

Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set

It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.

Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.

Well, I learned something new today. Thanks for the information, going to look into the set. As far as the skill Elemental Drain goes, are you suggesting that switching out dual wield swords for an reduced spell power destruction staff is more effective as a healer too?... And you do realize that Kagrenac's Hope set gives you a +224 spell dmg at all times, reduces resurrection times by 25% and also returns 1,720 magicka. Spell power cure only gives spell damage or weapon damage for a short amount time after healing someone at full Health?

The best healers tend to not let people die often, if at all, so who cares about a quick res that gives magicka back? Also, some of us get records in trials as healers that prove we know what we're talking about. Deltia has some good advice and knowledge for testing a lot of stuff, but what he says is hardly ever gospel. The smart thing is to listen to a wide variety of opinions and test things yourself too...

Mm yea some of these new sets are fairly OP, as in....the new must haves, putting many of the other sets to shame. It would be far better if most of them had a balanced power level, just doing things abit differently...hm.

s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »

That Julianos set for magicka users completely replaces all of the IC magicka sets, Martial Knowledge, and Kagrenac's Hope.

That is great.

Diamond_10 wrote: »

Are you guys for real with these new sets? Master weaps sure, they were needed, but the new sets?
Seriously the power creep in this game is freekin insane and way too frequent. You needed to give us more OPTIONS not more POWERFUL MUST HAVE sets,
That Briarheart set for example im not even sure if its a troll joke or if its for real. might aswell just delete magicka users already, and you are tunnelling every single stam user into 1 set like you did with Ravagers.

Think about it will you?

Stop with this whine[/quote]

Nope. Calling it now - Briarheart (new ravagers) 5 set, Molag Kena 2 set, Hundings 5 set - stam users will have over 7k weap dam and be funneled into this exact set

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Don't think briarheart will be so good as it has a 10% chance to proc on crits, 10 sec duration and 15 seconds cooldown (if I remember correctly). The best case up time with it procing on cooldown is already not that high.
Btw, stamina users can hardly sustain molag kena.

Murmeltier wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons

Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...

If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.

Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/

Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.

Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.

Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?

SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.

Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set

It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.

Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.

Thats interesting. I am sure that the Dps dont drops really much if one DD in a Group or Raid chooses Elemental Drain. But you say a Healer have to do this, really interesting.

A Supporter has 10 Slots and the most Jobs to do Ingame (Dps, Support, Heal), but no Dps can offer one Slot in the whole Raid & Group to Support it. Maybe the Raid & Group loses 1s before the Boss gets killed, right thats an Argument. Maybe the Supporter should clean the Teeth from a DD and bind his Shoes too, before he goes to Work and do his simple Job as a Dps.

I get into this discussion with one healer in particular on my friends list all the time. He consistently refuses to provide the necessary support for the raid which we joke about all the time, good stuff. But the result is..... the groups he raids with never get top dps, that translates to lower scores, and that frequently gets him left out of the better groups. That's the difference.

Are you really that sure dps doesn't go down that much when running ele drain? My experience is the opposite. If dps is so easy you might dps a couple parses to support your theory. The complaining healers just want to stand there spamming springs and watching health bars, it's lazy...the role is more dynamic than that.

BRogueNZ wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set

To give your group mates the buff is a good reason. You'd be asked to join a group to provide it I suspect.

Healers do it everyday anyway. no ones hurting but they're getting healed anyway.

It gives the caster the damage buff too...just one of those to come to the forum and talk about what they don't know about after watching one of Deltia's builds.

Diamond_10 wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Diamond_10 wrote: »

Are you guys for real with these new sets? Master weaps sure, they were needed, but the new sets?
Seriously the power creep in this game is freekin insane and way too frequent. You needed to give us more OPTIONS not more POWERFUL MUST HAVE sets,
That Briarheart set for example im not even sure if its a troll joke or if its for real. might aswell just delete magicka users already, and you are tunnelling every single stam user into 1 set like you did with Ravagers.

Think about it will you?

Stop with this whine

Nope. Calling it now - Briarheart (new ravagers) 5 set, Molag Kena 2 set, Hundings 5 set - stam users will have over 7k weap dam and be funneled into this exact set

I think it's important for everyone in these discussions to take a deep breath and remind themselves that there still aren't that many people in the game that have even made it to full sets of the IC dropped sets. And there are some very good caster-based sets out there! Don't cry wolf just cuz you saw a dog - take a moment to make sure it's an effing wolf.

@Diamond_10
hehehe Interesting.
I'd like to debate that with you a little though. I'm thinking stam users will be more likely to go with Willow's Path and ~4-5k weapon damage over Hundings. Stam users still need the regen because they rely more on magicka than magicka users rely on their stam. Every stamina build I've seen this patch STILL needs a decent pool of magicka for at least a little self defense / buffs / getaway sticks.

(Specific to PvP)
Stam sorcs need shields, bolt, surge, or armor. NBs still need enough mag for 2-3 consecutive dark cloaks. Even a good Stamplar has a reserve for a couple of heals, purify, or maybe a jesus beam.
DKs umm? Does anyone play a DK anymore in PvP?

Cuyler wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons

Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...

If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.

Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/

Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.

Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.

Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?

SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.

Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set

It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.

Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.

Thats interesting. I am sure that the Dps dont drops really much if one DD in a Group or Raid chooses Elemental Drain. But you say a Healer have to do this, really interesting.

A Supporter has 10 Slots and the most Jobs to do Ingame (Dps, Support, Heal), but no Dps can offer one Slot in the whole Raid & Group to Support it. Maybe the Raid & Group loses 1s before the Boss gets killed, right thats an Argument. Maybe the Supporter should clean the Teeth from a DD and bind his Shoes too, before he goes to Work and do his simple Job as a Dps.

I get into this discussion with one healer in particular on my friends list all the time. He consistently refuses to provide the necessary support for the raid which we joke about all the time, good stuff. But the result is..... the groups he raids with never get top dps, that translates to lower scores, and that frequently gets him left out of the better groups. That's the difference.

Are you really that sure dps doesn't go down that much when running ele drain? My experience is the opposite. If dps is so easy you might dps a couple parses to support your theory. The complaining healers just want to stand there spamming springs and watching health bars, it's lazy...the role is more dynamic than that.

I do both dps and heal but in my experience healing is a lot harder you have a lot of buffs to keep running while doing dps, watching other ppls health and save their butt if they dont move fast enough.
Also Healing Springs is a really bad skill for the new dungeons BOL is the way to go there and I need the healing staff for syphon spirit and combat prayer and the DW for max dps so tell me where I should put the destrostaff for ED? Every magicka DD is running at least 1 destro staff so he should have more than enough space for that skill and activating a buff every 18 seconds isnt that hard work

mabiron92 wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

OMG! How dare Zenimax add more content to the game!...

The content is not the problem. The problem is how they just released IC and have now already have sets that beat IC sets... so what's the point in gearing up to repeat the process before you can enjoy the first upgrade?

Don't. Do what I do and stay an update behind. You get all of your gear for cheap. Think of it like going out to buy Halloween decorations on November 1st

Deltia seems like a decent player to me. Are his builds stolen? Well there are really only so many builds that will be effective, right? At least on an optimal level. It would be very hard to come up with a completely original build, no?

In case people haven't seen them elsewhere
https://imageshack.com/i/hlcYN2Nmj

Diamond_10 wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Diamond_10 wrote: »

Are you guys for real with these new sets? Master weaps sure, they were needed, but the new sets?
Seriously the power creep in this game is freekin insane and way too frequent. You needed to give us more OPTIONS not more POWERFUL MUST HAVE sets,
That Briarheart set for example im not even sure if its a troll joke or if its for real. might aswell just delete magicka users already, and you are tunnelling every single stam user into 1 set like you did with Ravagers.

Think about it will you?

Stop with this whine

Nope. Calling it now - Briarheart (new ravagers) 5 set, Molag Kena 2 set, Hundings 5 set - stam users will have over 7k weap dam and be funneled into this exact set

and have 550ish stamina reg... so you are out of stamina before the encounter is down to 80% :P or you are crippling(beside DKS) your DPS by weaving fully charged heavy attacks...

Marrtha wrote: »

Is spell critical even good for a dd anymore? Referring to loads of spell crit in the Julianos set.

It's still important for a Sorc, especially when fighting tough single targets, and you need reliable Surge heals.

Jura23 wrote: »

I actually quite like Pariah set for those who like solo pvp in heavy armor. In combination with vampirism it makes you almost unkillable once you lose some health. Im wondering if it comes as jewelry too.

Apparently all the new sets that aren't crafted do. Meaning you could combine that with something like Orgnum's Scales for that extra bit of durability.