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New Item Sets - Are You Kidding Me??
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FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.2 -
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✭FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?Edited by Justice31st on October 7, 2015 3:49AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."2 -
FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
It wouldnt make sense to design builds who cater to less then 1% of those who would read them.10 -
Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.-Pryda - Ebonheart Pact XB1 NA
World first HelRa Hardmode player.
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✭ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+SetEdited by Justice31st on October 7, 2015 4:21AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."1 -
Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.-Pryda - Ebonheart Pact XB1 NA
World first HelRa Hardmode player.
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✭ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.
Well, I learned something new today. Thanks for the information, going to look into the set.
As far as the skill Elemental Drain goes, are you suggesting that switching out dual wield swords for an reduced spell power destruction staff is more effective as a healer too?... And you do realize that Kagrenac's Hope set gives you a +224 spell dmg at all times, reduces resurrection times by 25% and also returns 1,720 magicka. Spell power cure only gives spell damage or weapon damage for a short amount time after healing someone at full Health?
Edited by Justice31st on October 7, 2015 4:38AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭More love for Sorcs what is new. You cant even kill them without right gears and now they delivers tons of dmg too.0 -
BaldusMageezack✭✭✭IC doesn't feel like a pvp update to me. In fact it killed pvp in most servers with the exception of Azura star on ps4. I mean yeah people are out there ganking but real pvp? dead5 -
Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.
Well, I learned something new today. Thanks for the information, going to look into the set. As far as the skill Elemental Drain goes, are you suggesting that switching out dual wield swords for an reduced spell power destruction staff is more effective as a healer too?...
As a healer, you aren't going to do as much dps as your dps roled players are doing. Thus feeding them as many buffs/debuffs while putting out as much damage as possible is the way to go. It was the meta since the first Trials were released and will most likely continue to be for a very long time.-Pryda - Ebonheart Pact XB1 NA
World first HelRa Hardmode player.
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Cause he didn't have spellcure, we farmed it and he got it last nightJustice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
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Cause he didn't have spellcure, we farmed it and he got it last nightJustice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
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Cause he didn't have spellcure, we farmed it and he got it last nightJustice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
lol, it's funny how many people think they are better than Deltia on his builds and theory crafting, but do not have any video evidence to back up their statements.Edited by Justice31st on October 7, 2015 5:37AM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭Justice31st wrote: »
Cause he didn't have spellcure, we farmed it and he got it last nightJustice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
lol, it's funny how many people think they are better than Deltia on his builds and theory crafting, but do not have any video evidence to back up their statements.
Or maybe they just they just trust their own builds. A build geared around how you think and react will always be better then the build someone else made for themselves.
I shared my build with a fellow ganker he don't get half the kill I did that day cause the setup was too geared to my playstyle and we don't think the same.
Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
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Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
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✭kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
Cause he didn't have spellcure, we farmed it and he got it last nightJustice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
lol, it's funny how many people think they are better than Deltia on his builds and theory crafting, but do not have any video evidence to back up their statements.
Or maybe they just they just trust their own builds. A build geared around how you think and react will always be better then the build someone else made for themselves.
I shared my build with a fellow ganker he don't get half the kill I did that day cause the setup was too geared to my playstyle and we don't think the same.
No, no it won't. You cannot compete at the same lvl by only using skill against someone with min/maxed stats with the most optimal build. If that were true, there would be no complaining of imbalances from champion points increasing stats."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.
Well, I learned something new today. Thanks for the information, going to look into the set. As far as the skill Elemental Drain goes, are you suggesting that switching out dual wield swords for an reduced spell power destruction staff is more effective as a healer too?... And you do realize that Kagrenac's Hope set gives you a +224 spell dmg at all times, reduces resurrection times by 25% and also returns 1,720 magicka. Spell power cure only gives spell damage or weapon damage for a short amount time after healing someone at full Health?
A legit endgame healer is not a healer. It's a buffer/debuffer/healer/off-dps. As a healer, you're supposed to run all the debuffs to sustain and support your dps in order to get the fastest clears. Spell power cure is hands down the best set for healers. Your healing will always be enough as it doesn't require much to get good heals.
Also, deltia is more focussed on the casual playerbase of the game, as far as I'm aware. Looking at his builds tells me at least that.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The itemization in this game has been absolutely terrible for over a year now. I wore the stupid and dull martial knowledge set for 6 months - just like everyone else. Finally, I might actually have to see how these play out rather than taking the obvious best is slot.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
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I dont think deltia is a "professional" he is just a streamer that doesn't make him pro lolJustice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
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✭✭✭I'm not usually a grammar ***, however, whoever writes these descriptions in-game needs to proofread their work. Awful as per usual.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on October 7, 2015 8:49AM2 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
I'm sorry I think deltia is a funny person. But his builds are all stolen, look at his templar stam build , massive rip off of alcasts jabsmania build, or his healer templar, a neigh on twin of sypher magicka templar.
He preeches like he has spent months designing these builds, and crap statements like " OMG xyz is the best " without really sourcing why it's better than other skills/abilities/setups because in truth he doesn't really know.
Is he good at pvp? Yeah sure, but copying someone else's build and naming it your own is all he does.4 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »
Cause he didn't have spellcure, we farmed it and he got it last nightJustice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
lol, it's funny how many people think they are better than Deltia on his builds and theory crafting, but do not have any video evidence to back up their statements.
Probably because many players are better at theory crafting. Deltia is a good player, yeah I wouldn't argue that.
But all his builds are stoeln, as I've said above the magicka templar is a copy of syphers build that first came out with just a capuple skills swapped (and suggesting a lesser set for healing)
His stamina templar is a rip off of jabsmania by alcast.
Basically people like alcast and sypher and many others on here spend days if not weeks figuring out new powerful builds. The spend weeks creating, testing out gear sets and combos, then show your work.
Deltia then looks at said build, copies the entire thing without having to use a single brain cell, and swaps 2 skills (if that) and puts his name on it.0 -
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✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »
Cause he didn't have spellcure, we farmed it and he got it last nightJustice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
lol, it's funny how many people think they are better than Deltia on his builds and theory crafting, but do not have any video evidence to back up their statements.
Probably because many players are better at theory crafting. Deltia is a good player, yeah I wouldn't argue that.
But all his builds are stoeln, as I've said above the magicka templar is a copy of syphers build that first came out with just a capuple skills swapped (and suggesting a lesser set for healing)
His stamina templar is a rip off of jabsmania by alcast.
Basically people like alcast and sypher and many others on here spend days if not weeks figuring out new powerful builds. The spend weeks creating, testing out gear sets and combos, then show your work.
Deltia then looks at said build, copies the entire thing without having to use a single brain cell, and swaps 2 skills (if that) and puts his name on it.
Yup, we all know there's umpteen dozen builds per class that look nothing like one another. The fact everyone more or less ends up with the same gear and skills per class should tell everyone with a single brain cell that diversity isn't this game's strong point. Of course most builds are gonna end up looking the same and that's no one's fault other than those who develop the game. Not mine, not yours, but the devs.
Even the builds you spend weeks fretting over won't be original because the chances that someone else is running the same set up is almost guaranteed. Do you claim to have created your builds or are you just the first people to share it on the net?
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SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.
Well, I learned something new today. Thanks for the information, going to look into the set. As far as the skill Elemental Drain goes, are you suggesting that switching out dual wield swords for an reduced spell power destruction staff is more effective as a healer too?... And you do realize that Kagrenac's Hope set gives you a +224 spell dmg at all times, reduces resurrection times by 25% and also returns 1,720 magicka. Spell power cure only gives spell damage or weapon damage for a short amount time after healing someone at full Health?
A legit endgame healer is not a healer. It's a buffer/debuffer/healer/off-dps. As a healer, you're supposed to run all the debuffs to sustain and support your dps in order to get the fastest clears. Spell power cure is hands down the best set for healers. Your healing will always be enough as it doesn't require much to get good heals.
Also, deltia is more focussed on the casual playerbase of the game, as far as I'm aware. Looking at his builds tells me at least that.
Well both sets have there use. For the "5%" Spell power cure is the must have. For the other 95% of healers the other is the best. The faster rezz is very nice, if people die in your group. For groups where this somethimes happens the set is a big help. For the groups who want to rush to the top of the leadboards, spell power cure is the way to go. There is always the best set for a special occasion , not a "best set" for the game. I like this aspect about Teso the most Edited by SorataArisugawa on October 7, 2015 9:44AMPAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!1 -
asteldian✭✭✭✭Builds inevitably look similar, if you spend anytime tinkering you will end up with a build similar to someone else's. I would not assume Deltia stole the builds just becase they are similar - twice I myself have made a build (which I designed for casual end game) which ended up very similar to others apparently.
That said, Delita is a decent player and his builds are pretty solid, but by no means should you assume his builds are the best and he must be right. In fact, often he has the gist of a good build but seems to have missed the finer points which would give said build an edge up.1 -
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yeah fair point.Diamond_10 wrote: »off the top of my head can you imagine kena proc with briar proc and master weap? Youre gonna see 7k weap dam stam users with unkillable spin 2 wins in PvP because of every crit healing them lol
do they have any clue what they are doing this update?10% chance it proccs when u crit. That is not so much and u leave a setbonus for it that u might have all the time.
@Mumyo
yeah but in PVE if dots give proc chance. Could be a stam DK in PVE for example use poison injection, unstable flame, burning breath, with flames of oblivion up. That's like 40 ticks of damage over 10 seconds without any additional attacks included. Even at 40% crit + 10% from flames. briar should proc 2 times during the 10 second duration. AKA is always up
TL;DR if briar's proc counts dot crit ticks then you could easily keep it up without trying, and still stack weapon damagePSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7200 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
This Set isnt Superior for Healer, but it is a very good Support Set. Raidleaders and Dps will love the higher Numbers but that doesnt mean it is the one and only.
If a Healer chooses his Sets only because some Raidleader or Dps thinks he have to, he can get Problems with his Rescources. It isnt only about high Numbers, Balance is more important and it depends on the Group how much you can Support them.
As a VR16 Healer i can say, it is nice but i wouldnt take this Set, if i could choose free from all Sets Ingame. There are a lot of more interesting Combinations and Ideas than that.Edited by Murmeltier on October 7, 2015 10:07AM2 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.
Well, I learned something new today. Thanks for the information, going to look into the set. As far as the skill Elemental Drain goes, are you suggesting that switching out dual wield swords for an reduced spell power destruction staff is more effective as a healer too?... And you do realize that Kagrenac's Hope set gives you a +224 spell dmg at all times, reduces resurrection times by 25% and also returns 1,720 magicka. Spell power cure only gives spell damage or weapon damage for a short amount time after healing someone at full Health?
A legit endgame healer is not a healer. It's a buffer/debuffer/healer/off-dps. As a healer, you're supposed to run all the debuffs to sustain and support your dps in order to get the fastest clears. Spell power cure is hands down the best set for healers. Your healing will always be enough as it doesn't require much to get good heals.
Also, deltia is more focussed on the casual playerbase of the game, as far as I'm aware. Looking at his builds tells me at least that.
It isnt the best Set for Healers, it is a good Set for Supporters. There is a Difference between them.2 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭SorataArisugawa wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.
Well, I learned something new today. Thanks for the information, going to look into the set. As far as the skill Elemental Drain goes, are you suggesting that switching out dual wield swords for an reduced spell power destruction staff is more effective as a healer too?... And you do realize that Kagrenac's Hope set gives you a +224 spell dmg at all times, reduces resurrection times by 25% and also returns 1,720 magicka. Spell power cure only gives spell damage or weapon damage for a short amount time after healing someone at full Health?
A legit endgame healer is not a healer. It's a buffer/debuffer/healer/off-dps. As a healer, you're supposed to run all the debuffs to sustain and support your dps in order to get the fastest clears. Spell power cure is hands down the best set for healers. Your healing will always be enough as it doesn't require much to get good heals.
Also, deltia is more focussed on the casual playerbase of the game, as far as I'm aware. Looking at his builds tells me at least that.
Well both sets have there use. For the "5%" Spell power cure is the must have. For the other 95% of healers the other is the best. The faster rezz is very nice, if people die in your group. For groups where this somethimes happens the set is a big help. For the groups who want to rush to the top of the leadboards, spell power cure is the way to go. There is always the best set for a special occasion , not a "best set" for the game. I like this aspect about Teso the most
That hits the Point.
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Murmeltier✭✭✭✭ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.
Thats interesting. I am sure that the Dps dont drops really much if one DD in a Group or Raid chooses Elemental Drain. But you say a Healer have to do this, really interesting.
A Supporter has 10 Slots and the most Jobs to do Ingame (Dps, Support, Heal), but no Dps can offer one Slot in the whole Raid & Group to Support it. Maybe the Raid & Group loses 1s before the Boss gets killed, right thats an Argument. Maybe the Supporter should clean the Teeth from a DD and bind his Shoes too, before he goes to Work and do his simple Job as a Dps.Edited by Murmeltier on October 7, 2015 10:41AM1 -
Springt-Über-Zwerge✭✭✭✭ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »ericprydz82ub17_ESO wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »fastolfv_ESO wrote: »how was IC meant for pvpers? all the good stuff comes from 2 4 man dungeons
Well for example everything that is considered "good stuff" doesn't only come from 4 man dungeons... For healers, the Kagrenacs set is the best end game healer set and comes from 8 traits of crafting...
If we are talking about PVP then maybe. If we are talking about PVE then absolutely not. No other set beats Spellpower Cure for healers.
Oh really? Then why does Deltia use Kagrenacs for his Healers PvE end game build? http://deltiasgaming.com/2015/09/09/the-battery-eso-templar-healer-build/
Probably because its cheap and easily accessible to the type of players who simply follow the builds designed by other players.
Spell power cure is stronger for doing any sort of non solo play, but much more difficult to obtain.
Lol, Deltia is a professional who makes a living testing out all builds to see what is the most optimal... Do you really think someone who makes a living playing this game would put out a build overlooking something such as another armor set if it indeed is superior?
SpellpowerCcure gives 258 weapon and spell damage to people you heal @100% health. It is a pretty big group dps increase to min/maxers. Just because a streamer that you idolize didn't put it in his healing build doesn't mean it isn't superior.
Yes, but you don't receive any spell damage yourself. Increased spell damage increases your healing numbers. And with the nerf to magicka recovery, why would healers want to waste their magicka healing people who are at 100% health? I can see why deltia chose Kagrenac's Hope. And where did you get increased weapon damage from? According to Wiki this isn't part of the set bonus... http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spell+Power+Cure+Set
It absolutely increases your personal spell/weapon damage also. Maybe if you actually had a piece of the gear to look at in your inventory you would see that what you linked was a really old tooltip from most likely pre-live patch.
Also, Deltia doesn't run Elemental Drain on his bar which if you ask any legit END GAME group, is the healer's job.
Yea cause the DDs are to lazy to put it on their own bar. As healer I run syphon spirit and if a DD needs Elemental drain he can run it himselfPC,EU, EP
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