RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Ugh, sounds like a guy who is in my PVP guild. He tries constantly to try to find fault with my build and even one day told me that if I wanted to run the sewers with his pug group that I need to go respec to the morphs he prefers AND change to a destro staff. I first told him that I was not changing my staff. Then he decided to order me to go respec. (This was all over TS, and I have witnesses) . When I refused to go respec, he accused me of not wanting to work with others. I apologize but I am NOT gonna be micromanaged by anyone. Especially not a guy younger than my own son. I refuse to run in a group if he is leading anymore.

In the sewers!? lol, what a fool.

Always have hardened ward hidden away on my back bar just in-case for those 'oh ***' moments.

As a Sorc if you can't find 1 slot for a defensive ability out of the 15 slots available (17 if you count ulti's) then there is clearly superfluous crap on the bars that you don't really need.

Everybody should be able to do a little of something else...

Healers - Primarily heal, but also can off DPS when things are all ok.
Tanks - Primarily tank, but can also do a little bit of DPS / group buffing.
DPS - Primarily DPS... but need to be able to stay alive if the healer goes down / something happens.

The best groups I have ever run with are always the ones that know their roles... perform them... but can react to the fight and adapt where needed. If that means me slipping to my back bar and popping a shield so I can stand in the stupid for a moment to Rez somebody that got caught out then so be it.

For PUG's I'd say a defensive ability on the backbar is mandatory as a DPS..... too many healers out there who will leave you to die!

Kammakazi wrote: »

I'm a Sorcerer DD...

Why... am I going to go full offense... and not utilize my shields on my second bar...

Is this what people are complaining about nowadays? That they want you to be dependent on the healer to stay alive and they don't want you to have any defensive abilities slotted?

Console by the way lel

Yes. It's your job to do the maximum amount of damage that you can. Stopping to heal yourself takes away from that, and is completely unnecessary when you have a healer that is even a little bit worth his salt, which you should.

Overload gives you a third bar? How it this even possible?

Waffennacht wrote: »

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

Sorc DD in pledge with resto? Is it a joke?
Cannot guess situation when it's usefull.
Secondary heal? Sorc should have surge or entropy up..
Shield? Ok you will lose some DPS if you need shield. But if you have low survival you can use ward from summoning line
Mana drain with heavy? If you have problem with magika you need to recheck your build gear and you also can use enrgy overload.

I can see where for a dps sorc the magicka regen should be there (no real personal experience in dps for dungeons) but as a tank I have to put a bit more into health than my magicka pool, sure I can run without resto heavy, but with the heavy weave I can ensure that I never run out of magicka.

Allows me to throw down some DPS while doing my tanky duties

This thread has nothing to do with tanks. A tank's job is to stay alive and keep the boss's attention. Whatever you do to accomplish that is fine so long as you can. A DPS is a different story. If a DPS is casting Resto staff abilities, they are not DPS'ing, AKA: not doing their job.

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

Sorc DD in pledge with resto? Is it a joke?
Cannot guess situation when it's usefull.
Secondary heal? Sorc should have surge or entropy up..
Shield? Ok you will lose some DPS if you need shield. But if you have low survival you can use ward from summoning line
Mana drain with heavy? If you have problem with magika you need to recheck your build gear and you also can use enrgy overload.

I can see where for a dps sorc the magicka regen should be there (no real personal experience in dps for dungeons) but as a tank I have to put a bit more into health than my magicka pool, sure I can run without resto heavy, but with the heavy weave I can ensure that I never run out of magicka.

Allows me to throw down some DPS while doing my tanky duties

This thread has nothing to do with tanks. A tank's job is to stay alive and keep the boss's attention. Whatever you do to accomplish that is fine so long as you can. A DPS is a different story. If a DPS is casting Resto staff abilities, they are not DPS'ing, AKA: not doing their job.

Sorry I thought it was about Resto staff, the title said nothing about DPS and the OP just mentioned he was DPS. If it pertains only to DPS, well ignore what I've said.

If your healer can handle the pressure of combat and if you are casting defense moves/heals etc you are pretty much wasting time that could be spent on DPSing or CCing. I think that is whats coming from this. For example ill heal a dungeon and there will be a melee templar spamming BOL ontop of mine. All it does is push my heals into Over healing and the dps templar is literally doing nothing. Is it hard to trust someone else to heal? Ofc . Just keep in mind you arnt helping the group if youre just making your healer stand there doing nothing.

There are exceptions. Healer dies,Healer sucks, Fight mechanics call for it.

Wards are ok though. ( every class pretty much gets them.) Healing ward from resto staff not so much since its pretty garbage unless youre almost dead and only lasts 6 seconds. Also Keep in mind the shields arnt going to stack. Harness Magicka is a good pick ( for anyone really) for a long duration ward and it works 99% of the time because if youre taking physical damage it means you have a issue with your tank. Otherwise id use the class given ward. Hopefully it has a good duration 15-30seconds.

This is pretty true in almost all games. If a healer can handle all the "Support" Fields then everything else needs to flow into a healthy balance of CC and DPS. If you are pushing Healing and migiation into overflows youre actually reducing your groups effectiveness.

Point A: There will never ever be DPS Overflow unless you are pushing mechanic phases too fast.
Point B: CC does have a overflow ( Snaring mobs that dont move for example or hitting CC DRs) But its much harder to hit then mitigation or healing overflow.
Point C: Mitigation overflow is caused by tanks constantly blocking on full hp or a healer using dmg reduce buffs when no one is taking any or very little damage.
Point D : Healing Overflow is the most common and easly reduces a groups effectiveness. We generally do not count HOTs in healing overflow as their job is to cap off targets unless you are forcing your hots into overflow on purpose which is dumb.

When I'm running PvE I switch out my resto for dual wield and use that bar for AOE and executes. But that's only because I trust my healer. If I was running with pugs no way.

Kammakazi wrote: »

I'm a Sorcerer DD...

Why... am I going to go full offense... and not utilize my shields on my second bar...

Is this what people are complaining about nowadays? That they want you to be dependent on the healer to stay alive and they don't want you to have any defensive abilities slotted?

Console by the way lel

LMFAO don't tell half of the story you came in the vet pledge as a sorc "DPS" with a resto staff using healing ward,streak,healing springs, and rapid regen, and you were just hard casting crystal frags not even medium weaving force pulse

Flaminir wrote: »

For PUG's I'd say a defensive ability on the backbar is mandatory as a DPS..... too many healers out there who will leave you to die!

+1 This. Resto/Destro Sorc here, and there is NO WAY I'm going to trust my survival to three random strangers in group content without a little personal protection to fall back on. If they all happen to be competent then I won't need it, but the number of times I've needed to give some 'help' to the theoretical healer of the group has been far too often for my comfort otherwise.

A lot of you are also making the assumption that a dedicated healer is available at all times and in all places. Not everyone runs healers. For most content, I'd rather be an off-healer or run with one then wait an extra hour for us to find a dedicated healer, by which point someone else has probably left already.

Not sure how it is on console but on PC showing up to a vet dungeon as a DPS with a resto staff is an automatic noob stamp. The only ones who can get away with that are templar heals/dps. And i think many of those dont even use resto staves on thier back bar anymore.

Also seeing a lot of I, me, and my in this thread. Whats the point of joining a team if you choose not to rely on your teammates to do thier job? To me it would make more sense to go in to a dungeon fully speced for dps rather than assume the worst of your group and have off heals slotted (especially as a sorc/dk). Like others have said, off heals as a dps is a dps loss. The more dps you do the shorter the fight and the less healing needs to be done.

I'm a templar tank/dps, and I always have a healing ability slotted. Experience has taught me that not all people know to stay in the healer's range, and not all healers have the best build. So I keep myself alive, and sometimes even the others

But I live by "Play As You Want", and always will. There are those out there who only believe that there are only 2 or 3 good builds, and if you don't use one of them you are a bad player. But that's their problem, not yours

Few fights need off healing tho, like Captain Blackheart always stalking the healer and making him a skeleton every single time.

But other than that and normally, if you join as dps and keep dropping Springs and Regeneration, you're not being very helpful.

Don't take someone else's job. Dont "help" the healer heal, dont use S&B and "help" the tank pull adds lol. Than you're forcing them to do your job, because dps is going to be *** otherwise. But they aren't specc'ed for max dps, because well they didn't join as dps, so entire group will suffer.

If spamming resto is your "thing", you should join as healer.

Sorcs can slot the Ward, if the healer is struggling, sucks or content to hard. You dont need to gimp your dps with resto, to have some kind of self-sustain.

I usually run with groups that are chilled out, meaning no complaining and just have fun and try to finish what we are doing. If i join a group and someone is trying to control everything we doing, i just leave them to their deaths.