This guy asked me why I was using a Resto staff during the daily pledge

Kammakazi

I'm a Sorcerer DD...

Why... am I going to go full offense... and not utilize my shields on my second bar...

Is this what people are complaining about nowadays? That they want you to be dependent on the healer to stay alive and they don't want you to have any defensive abilities slotted?

Console by the way lel

Justice31st

No as a healer keep having the most effective and survivable build you can. That guy is the one who usually dies first and then says it's the healers fault.

k2blader

Lol. I don't run dungeons but I've always found it amazing that so many people think "we got a healer" and they then believe they don't need to use any of their own defensive measures/heals themselves. Even in PvP.. lol

kuscoe

As a DD I dont slot any defensive and for a sorc... sorc dps is already terribly low and to be casting shields and "defensive" abilities? you should rely on your healer to keep you alive but if he is terrible then you either start slotting shields or PX

Justice31st

kuscoe wrote: »

As a DD I dont slot any defensive and for a sorc... sorc dps is already terribly low and to be casting shields and "defensive" abilities? you should rely on your healer to keep you alive but if he is terrible then you either start slotting shields or PX

This update with the nerf to magicka recovery (and especially in pug groups) even the best healers can temporarily run low on magicka... Casting self healing ward can be the turning point of keeping the group alive. Never underestimate the power of a perfectly timed healing ward.

acw37162

Well if your running with a pre-made and everyone knows what they are doing go full out.

If you are wainint in que for a group of randoms stack your back brother stack you back as a fellow console player queing for dungeons and pledges I can tell you I only finish 1 out of every 5 or six runs and usually have to replace the first guy to run away afer a wipe.

Besides resto does the same damage number as a destruction staff and will not reflect back at you.....

Ain't nothing wrong with the resto staff.

Jamersonb16_ESO

I'll be honest, my alt who I mainly run vet pledges with is a healer and if I saw someone pull out a resto staff I'd question what the hell they were doing too. As a healer I'm there to keep you alive, your job is to show up with enough hp to not get 1 shot (~16k unless your a sorc running hardened ward), get the hell out of red asap and max your dps. If your setup is so bad that you need to use healing ward too as a dps to stay alive I'd call you on it. That's not your job. Either spec some attributes in health, use food, use health glyphs or learn to move out of age.

redspecter23

If people are staying alive and the content is getting done, it's all good. That being said, if the healer in your group is more than capable of keeping you alive and you could be doing more damage with another weapon, why not speed up the run or make it more efficient? In a pug group it's likely to never matter. In a guild group, I'm always looking at how to maximize my potential and make the runs faster. Your build might be fantastic but getting tunnel vision and the inability to at least explore other options will lead to stagnation.

Xendyn

I have plenty of room for a shield, abilities with synergies for the group's benefit and damage.
Resto second bar for me. Can't tell you how often having a spare Healing Springs has saved a wipe.
I can't dps if I'm dead, healer can't heal if he's dead. Part of my job is to guard him, too.

Stuff happens. Be prepared.

FriedEggSandwich

For me pvp is destro/resto, but if I do any organised pve (rarely) then I go double destro and use the space where I had heals/wards for toggles to boost magicka/crit. I would do this with guildies on ts though so would have a decent healer. If I was with randoms I would be more tempted to slot a resto staff though.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

Ugh, sounds like a guy who is in my PVP guild. He tries constantly to try to find fault with my build and even one day told me that if I wanted to run the sewers with his pug group that I need to go respec to the morphs he prefers AND change to a destro staff. I first told him that I was not changing my staff. Then he decided to order me to go respec. (This was all over TS, and I have witnesses) . When I refused to go respec, he accused me of not wanting to work with others. I apologize but I am NOT gonna be micromanaged by anyone. Especially not a guy younger than my own son. I refuse to run in a group if he is leading anymore.

Resipsa131

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Ugh, sounds like a guy who is in my PVP guild. He tries constantly to try to find fault with my build and even one day told me that if I wanted to run the sewers with his pug group that I need to go respec to the morphs he prefers AND change to a destro staff. I first told him that I was not changing my staff. Then he decided to order me to go respec. (This was all over TS, and I have witnesses) . When I refused to go respec, he accused me of not wanting to work with others. I apologize but I am NOT gonna be micromanaged by anyone. Especially not a guy younger than my own son. I refuse to run in a group if he is leading anymore.

Yeah I wouldnt run that guy either it's one thing to refuse to run a dungeon with a guy but to order some one to respec is out of line. What were the consequences of your refusal?

UrQuan

Absolutely nothing wrong with a DPS having a resto staff on one bar. If nothing else, it's always handy to have someone who can off-heal for those times when the healer has randomly been selected to float up in the air in a ball (vet Elden Hollow), or been randomly selected to be turned into a skeleton with no skills (Blackheart Haven), or any of the other fight mechanics that can temporarily take someone out of play. Or for cases when the healer dies and someone needs to res him!

Leon119

kuscoe wrote: »

As a DD I dont slot any defensive and for a sorc... sorc dps is already terribly low and to be casting shields and "defensive" abilities? you should rely on your healer to keep you alive but if he is terrible then you either start slotting shields or PX

sorc dps is definetly not low -.- probobly 2nd highest after DK and surpasses him with overload... just sayin

thunderwell

If the group's healer is keeping the group alive without much difficulty or issues, I would call you out on it, too.
If the healer is lacking, barely keeping the group alive or occasionally someone dies, I'd make a judgement call that I feel would suite the situation.
If the healer needs a little help, I say give them a little help, but not to the point of hindering your dps that the dungeon is too slow. At that point, either ask if anyone can trade roles or just find a new healer if he's that bad.
Groups in MMOs aren't usually play whatever role you want.
Enter a group dungeon as a dd, you're expected to be doing damage, not healing.

Cazzy

I'm a Dest Sorc and I *always* get people run up to me and emote; "Heal Me." So I tend to slam my staff on the ground and create walls of lightning to try and say "THIS IS WHAT I DO!"

newtinmpls

Cazzy wrote: »

I'm a Dest Sorc and I *always* get people run up to me and emote; "Heal Me." So I tend to slam my staff on the ground and create walls of lightning to try and say "THIS IS WHAT I DO!"

What emote do folks use for that? Just curious..

Cazzy

newtinmpls wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I'm a Dest Sorc and I *always* get people run up to me and emote; "Heal Me." So I tend to slam my staff on the ground and create walls of lightning to try and say "THIS IS WHAT I DO!"

What emote do folks use for that? Just curious..

There's an actual emote you can select which pops a speech bubble up saying "Heal Me." It's in the first category, I think... Then they run off and I'm just stood there like 'wtf?'

Molag_Crow

If you're a DPS who doesn't use any kind of defensive/heal/careful abilities, then you're bad. Simple as, really. No question about it.

Cazzy

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you're a DPS who doesn't use any kind of defensive/heal/careful abilities, then you're bad. Simple as, really. No question about it.

Who, me? I'm very good actually ^_^ I use defensive/careful abilities as well as DPS. I'm just not a healer like a lot of people assume :P

NovaShadow

I'm full on set up for dps but if I pug a group I always have cloak and heals on my 2nd bar so if someone falls, especially the healer I can survive on my own.

Blaming the healer is someone's way of saying it wasn't me, it was you. Everyone should be able to survive on their own without a healer's help, the healer is just support not your sole way of surviving.

thelordoffelines

If i was the healer and i saw you using damage sheilds or other defensive abilities id be very VERY insulted.

Jade1986

Are there really people out there that don't use any damage shields / absorb wards?!

FriedEggSandwich

laced wrote: »

Are there really people out there that don't use any damage shields / absorb wards?!

For structured, group pve? Yes because the idea is you can rely on a tank to keep agro and a healer to heal, and you have legs and can move out of telegraphs. Plus most pve'ers run surge which will heal as long as you keep up the deeps.

Jade1986

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Are there really people out there that don't use any damage shields / absorb wards?!

For structured, group pve? Yes because the idea is you can rely on a tank to keep agro and a healer to heal, and you have legs and can move out of telegraphs. Plus most pve'ers run surge which will heal as long as you keep up the deeps.

Hmm I suppose I can see the wisdom in that, with my character for soloing tho and pvp I always have to have some sort of ability that increases my damage reduction from all sources and some sort of absorb / self heal. In raids tho I can def see replacing those 2 abilities with some conjured pets to add even more damage.

FriedEggSandwich

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you're a DPS who doesn't use any kind of defensive/heal/careful abilities, then you're bad. Simple as, really. No question about it.

Does surge count? I would say it was pretty situational and mechanic dependant. I've always run AA and hel ra with double destro and managed not to die. But there are some dungeons where players are forced by mechanics to be more independent. Not a great pve'er so can't think of any examples.

DDemon

When I run dungeons or trails with people I know and trust, I will focus 100% on DPS and will fit no shields or anything. If not I will fit hardened ward on my off hand.

byrom101b16_ESO

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you're a DPS who doesn't use any kind of defensive/heal/careful abilities, then you're bad. Simple as, really. No question about it.

I have staff on main and offhand and third bar for overload.

I only use surge for heals and the rest is single target and aoe dps, shield and movement/protection based, as well as regen in VERY long fights.

I do very well thanks - don't need pure heal abilities... but on your point, without defensive and 'careful' abilities, I'd be borked, especially with the buggy-ass portals in the final boss fight in IC Prison- bolt escape and boundless storm are pure gold in that fight.

Jade1986

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you're a DPS who doesn't use any kind of defensive/heal/careful abilities, then you're bad. Simple as, really. No question about it.

I have staff on main and offhand and third bar for overload.

I only use surge for heals and the rest is single target and aoe dps, shield and movement/protection based, as well as regen in VERY long fights.

I do very well thanks - don't need pure heal abilities... but on your point, without defensive and 'careful' abilities, I'd be borked, especially with the buggy-ass portals in the final boss fight in IC Prison- bolt escape and boundless storm are pure gold in that fight.

Wait, last I checked we only get two action bars, where is this third bar coming from that people speak of?!

Septimus_Magna

I usually run with fire and lightning destro staffs on my sorc. On single target boss fights I have no need for my lightning staff and pulsar so switch it for a resto staff and healing ward.

Some mechanics prevent healers from healing, in that case its always nice to be able to throw group mates some heals.

Also if the healer gets killed its nice to be able to do some healing so you can rez the healer.

Edit: I always run with Harness Magicka + Hardened Ward for the magicka regen when getting hit, the 38k shield is also nice when you do vet dungs without a tank.

Shunravi

laced wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

If you're a DPS who doesn't use any kind of defensive/heal/careful abilities, then you're bad. Simple as, really. No question about it.

I have staff on main and offhand and third bar for overload.

I only use surge for heals and the rest is single target and aoe dps, shield and movement/protection based, as well as regen in VERY long fights.

I do very well thanks - don't need pure heal abilities... but on your point, without defensive and 'careful' abilities, I'd be borked, especially with the buggy-ass portals in the final boss fight in IC Prison- bolt escape and boundless storm are pure gold in that fight.

Wait, last I checked we only get two action bars, where is this third bar coming from that people speak of?!

Overload.