I hate all AOE. The more they get nerfed the better.

frozywozy wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

I hate all AOE. The more they get nerfed the better.

Aoe cap is not a nerf to Aoe, it helps the bigger groups. Just think about it a little bit longer.

Frozen is correct; Aoe caps restrict how many players are hit. This means AOE is useless as a small group. As a zerg, a team of 24 can hit up to 144 targets for 100% dmg (assuming the spells go off at the same moment.)

On paper it seems like it would help solo groups survive, but implementation and current zerg mentality suggest otherwise.

#RemoveAOECaps

Also last poll taken:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/88049/do-you-think-there-should-be-an-aoe-cap

Look at all those "no's" lol

Sublime wrote: »

But only on damage abilities.

Amen.

Efficient wrote: »

I am creating this poll for the entertainment value of reading the justification for answering no. Thanks for the participation.

I'm still laughing at the nerf impulse but buff steel tornado because that was such a good idea.

frozywozy wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

I hate all AOE. The more they get nerfed the better.

Aoe cap is not a nerf to Aoe, it helps the bigger groups. Just think about it a little bit longer.

AOE reliant gameplay is lazy, stupid and over-powered. I know the argument you refer to, but it amounts to fighting evil with evil. That is, leave it to the siege engins and make every other ability single target, so that at least a modicum of skill, like umm........I don't know ......... TARGETING SOMETHING is required.

Muizer wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

I hate all AOE. The more they get nerfed the better.

Aoe cap is not a nerf to Aoe, it helps the bigger groups. Just think about it a little bit longer.

AOE reliant gameplay is lazy, stupid and over-powered. I know the argument you refer to, but it amounts to fighting evil with evil. That is, leave it to the siege engins and make every other ability single target, so that at least a modicum of skill, like umm........I don't know ......... TARGETING SOMETHING is required.

Good luck wiping zergs only with single target spells

Derra wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

But only on damage abilities.

Add a cap to barrier and purge to that.

And one to Speedbuff while we're at it.

AoE centric games are boring. Lets all train together and press one button and never even have to target an enemy. Been there, done that and not doing it again.

Now an AoE that scales its damage depending on the number of targets hit and features a blow out mechanic to counter blobbing, well that is something I can support.

Sureshawt wrote: »

AoE centric games are boring. Lets all train together and press one button and never even have to target an enemy. Been there, done that and not doing it again.

Now an AoE that scales its damage depending on the number of targets hit and features a blow out mechanic to counter blobbing, well that is something I can support.

Have you stepped in Cyrodiil since April 2014?

Joy_Division wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

AoE centric games are boring. Lets all train together and press one button and never even have to target an enemy. Been there, done that and not doing it again.

Now an AoE that scales its damage depending on the number of targets hit and features a blow out mechanic to counter blobbing, well that is something I can support.

Have you stepped in Cyrodiil since April 2014?

Yup, which is why the last thing this game needs is for AoE caps to be removed UNLESS my suggestion against blobbing is implemented.The AoE must scale to the number of targets hit so it becomes an opportunistic tool rather then the go to staple and preferably with a blowout mechanic.

Simply increasing the AoE caps will only make blobbing worse and the biggest blob will win. Everyone will just run around popping AoE damage/heals and single target skills will be obsolete.

Right now while there is a lot of blobbing, especially inside structures, there is still open field fighting where single targeting is happening as well. Simply opening AoE caps will result in nothing but AoE button mashing.

Thankfully though most modern MMOs inlcuding this one have realized the folly of simply allowing unlimited AoEs.

Derra wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

AoE centric games are boring. Lets all train together and press one button and never even have to target an enemy. Been there, done that and not doing it again.

Now an AoE that scales its damage depending on the number of targets hit and features a blow out mechanic to counter blobbing, well that is something I can support.

The thing is: In games with extremely strong pbaoe stacking was not a phenomenon that occured often (if at all). If using aoe drives people to spread out it becomes less desireable to use said aoe.

That is exactly the problem. Simply lifting the AoE cap has been shown not to make people spread out. The bigger blob simply out AoEs the smaller blobs AoE.

I don't know what games you are speaking of but in Shadowbane, DAoC and WoW the AoE trains were commonplace for any largescale fight. AoEs themselves encourage blobbing by there very nature that you need to be within radius for beneficial (buffs/heals) effects as well.

However, now if you have an AoE that scales to the number of players hit then the smaller group could possibly out AoE the bigger AoE blob or force them to spread out.

Sublime wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

my suggestion

Link maybe?

Better then that. Here it is.

The AoE must scale to the number of targets hit so it becomes an opportunistic tool rather then the go to staple and preferably with a blowout mechanic.

I want my vote back! I read CP CAPS REMOVED and I like capping CPs but not AoE.

Sureshawt wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Sureshawt wrote: »

AoE centric games are boring. Lets all train together and press one button and never even have to target an enemy. Been there, done that and not doing it again.

Now an AoE that scales its damage depending on the number of targets hit and features a blow out mechanic to counter blobbing, well that is something I can support.

The thing is: In games with extremely strong pbaoe stacking was not a phenomenon that occured often (if at all). If using aoe drives people to spread out it becomes less desireable to use said aoe.

That is exactly the problem. Simply lifting the AoE cap has been shown not to make people spread out. The bigger blob simply out AoEs the smaller blobs AoE.

However, now if you have an AoE that scales to the number of players hit then the smaller group could possibly out AoE the bigger AoE blob or force them to spread out.

Dude you have to look at daoc bombing videos. People were so fast to spread out when an 8 man grp rushed the 40 ++ zerg bc if they wouldn't they died in seconds...

I'm starting to think that damage and damage distribution may be a completely wrong way to deal with the zerg problem.
Perhaps it would be better to slow the zerg down: the more players bunch together, the slower they get. Basically that would restrict the zerg to defensive actions only while it's on the move. It can still fire on anything within range with all its power, but it can't pursue, as a group. Just a thought.