Stamina Sorcerers - the next steps for zos

contact.opiumb16_ESO · October 2015

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Stamina sorcerers already hit very hard and about to be op IF you play WW, so please ZOS don't give sorcerers another boost while the leaderboard, at least in EU servers are about to be 40% NB, 40% sorcerers, 10% DK, 10% templar.

The leaderboard shows how op those 2 classes (NB and sorcerers) are, and i know what i am saying, i have a templar, HL, a soso HL and a young NB. My sorcerer and NB hits way more harder than the templar, while this one is my better stuffed toon

Mind elaborating on how stamina sorc's are borderline op?

OK. My stam ww sorcerer imperial :
. +20% (!!) stam regen
. reduced cost of ulti by 15%
. +5% max stamina (bound armor) + armor/spell resist buff staching + speed buff (thunderring presence )
. stamina abilities cost reduced by 5%
. +2% weapon power/sorcerer ability slotted (means at least +4% in any build)

Those passives are the best class stamina oriented passives in game, even NB don"t have those huge buffs. On top of that, with a WW ult slotted (which have a ridiculous cost decrease), +15% more stam regen, not saying that i am a imperial (hello silly stam buff ^^)

Conclusion : i have one of the best natural stam regen, one of the best mobility (streak) and with this i can stack plenty of weapon power + max stam, while with a templar or dk i have to go for more passive defense, sacrificing a good part of dps for defense.

You realize, aside from the ultimate cost reduction, that ALL of those passives are lost in ww form, right?

Corellon Thromorin wrote: »

Sorry, but

1, this is ESO any class any role, 2, sorcerer's in this games universe are known for using heavy armor, having little magicka regen, being magicka sponges and being skilled with weapons for when they run out of magicka.

@CP5 yes i know, but i hit like a truck in WW form so who cares ? And you can build a vampire like this, with vamp ult slotted you "just" have +10% magicka regen/+10% stam regen... or play a human one, no matter because you do have a streak to disorient, escape and run away from danger. Stamina NB, DK nor templars are as strong as this without downside. Seriously dude try this build and give me your feedback AFTER you tested a DK or templar stam build (not nb, they are already op, everyone knows it)

CP5 · October 2015

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Stamina sorcerers already hit very hard and about to be op IF you play WW, so please ZOS don't give sorcerers another boost while the leaderboard, at least in EU servers are about to be 40% NB, 40% sorcerers, 10% DK, 10% templar.

The leaderboard shows how op those 2 classes (NB and sorcerers) are, and i know what i am saying, i have a templar, HL, a soso HL and a young NB. My sorcerer and NB hits way more harder than the templar, while this one is my better stuffed toon

Mind elaborating on how stamina sorc's are borderline op?

OK. My stam ww sorcerer imperial :
. +20% (!!) stam regen
. reduced cost of ulti by 15%
. +5% max stamina (bound armor) + armor/spell resist buff staching + speed buff (thunderring presence )
. stamina abilities cost reduced by 5%
. +2% weapon power/sorcerer ability slotted (means at least +4% in any build)

Those passives are the best class stamina oriented passives in game, even NB don"t have those huge buffs. On top of that, with a WW ult slotted (which have a ridiculous cost decrease), +15% more stam regen, not saying that i am a imperial (hello silly stam buff ^^)

Conclusion : i have one of the best natural stam regen, one of the best mobility (streak) and with this i can stack plenty of weapon power + max stam, while with a templar or dk i have to go for more passive defense, sacrificing a good part of dps for defense.

You realize, aside from the ultimate cost reduction, that ALL of those passives are lost in ww form, right?

Corellon Thromorin wrote: »

Sorry, but

1, this is ESO any class any role, 2, sorcerer's in this games universe are known for using heavy armor, having little magicka regen, being magicka sponges and being skilled with weapons for when they run out of magicka.

@CP5 yes i know, but i hit like a truck in WW form so who cares ? And you can build a vampire like this, with vamp ult slotted you "just" have +10% magicka regen/+10% stam regen... or play a human one, no matter because you do have a streak to disorient, escape and run away from danger. Stamina NB, DK nor templars are as strong as this without downside. Seriously dude try this build and give me your feedback AFTER you tested a DK or templar stam build (not nb, they are already op, everyone knows it)

If you intend on having the ww passive at all times you give up on using two ultimates, that is generally not something people do lightly. Also stamina sorcs are so bent around toggles, or slotting abilities that may or may not have much use to get that passive up to decent levels. As someone whose main is a stamina sorc yes, they have seen improvements but they are so one sided, it seems ZOS has one image of what a stamina sorc's setup should be and nothing else.

contact.opiumb16_ESO · October 2015

@CP5 a class/build viability must be watched in comparaison to how other class/builds works. As i said, in a stamina PoV, the first one is NB and sorcerer comes second in a global effectiveness. Sure it should be better, but templars and dk will tell you that they will be happy when they will just be "fine"

Ahzek · October 2015

I still think stamina DKs are incredibly effective due to leap being the only phisical damage ultimate (WW doesnt count). I have met DKs dealing over 10k damage to medium armor targets with it, and they probably have the best burst out of the three (not NB) stam classes. Temps however only have jabs, blazing and repentance going for them atm and i think they could need some more stamina love as well.

CP5 · October 2015

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

@CP5 a class/build viability must be watched in comparaison to how other class/builds works. As i said, in a stamina PoV, the first one is NB and sorcerer comes second in a global effectiveness. Sure it should be better, but templars and dk will tell you that they will be happy when they will just be "fine"

True enough, just wish ZOS would do more frequent, smaller changes, rather than these table turning updates every few months.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Corellon Thromorin wrote: »

Sorry, but

Its amazing how many of these nitwits come to stam sorc threads. At least they set themselves up early to not be taken seriously anywhere else in the thread.

Corellon Thromorin · October 2015

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Stamina sorcerers already hit very hard and about to be op IF you play WW, so please ZOS don't give sorcerers another boost while the leaderboard, at least in EU servers are about to be 40% NB, 40% sorcerers, 10% DK, 10% templar.

The leaderboard shows how op those 2 classes (NB and sorcerers) are, and i know what i am saying, i have a templar, HL, a soso HL and a young NB. My sorcerer and NB hits way more harder than the templar, while this one is my better stuffed toon

Mind elaborating on how stamina sorc's are borderline op?

OK. My stam ww sorcerer imperial :
. +20% (!!) stam regen
. reduced cost of ulti by 15%
. +5% max stamina (bound armor) + armor/spell resist buff staching + speed buff (thunderring presence )
. stamina abilities cost reduced by 5%
. +2% weapon power/sorcerer ability slotted (means at least +4% in any build)

Those passives are the best class stamina oriented passives in game, even NB don"t have those huge buffs. On top of that, with a WW ult slotted (which have a ridiculous cost decrease), +15% more stam regen, not saying that i am a imperial (hello silly stam buff ^^)

Conclusion : i have one of the best natural stam regen, one of the best mobility (streak) and with this i can stack plenty of weapon power + max stam, while with a templar or dk i have to go for more passive defense, sacrificing a good part of dps for defense.

You realize, aside from the ultimate cost reduction, that ALL of those passives are lost in ww form, right?

Corellon Thromorin wrote: »

Sorry, but

1, this is ESO any class any role, 2, sorcerer's in this games universe are known for using heavy armor, having little magicka regen, being magicka sponges and being skilled with weapons for when they run out of magicka.

Except that
Dark Magic, Daedric Summoning and Stormcalling are pretty much Magic.
Any class = any role does not equals Sorcerer Skills = Stamina build
You can take a Sorcerer and use weapon skills, see? Any role.

TBois · October 2015

Corellon Thromorin wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Stamina sorcerers already hit very hard and about to be op IF you play WW, so please ZOS don't give sorcerers another boost while the leaderboard, at least in EU servers are about to be 40% NB, 40% sorcerers, 10% DK, 10% templar.

The leaderboard shows how op those 2 classes (NB and sorcerers) are, and i know what i am saying, i have a templar, HL, a soso HL and a young NB. My sorcerer and NB hits way more harder than the templar, while this one is my better stuffed toon

Mind elaborating on how stamina sorc's are borderline op?

OK. My stam ww sorcerer imperial :
. +20% (!!) stam regen
. reduced cost of ulti by 15%
. +5% max stamina (bound armor) + armor/spell resist buff staching + speed buff (thunderring presence )
. stamina abilities cost reduced by 5%
. +2% weapon power/sorcerer ability slotted (means at least +4% in any build)

Those passives are the best class stamina oriented passives in game, even NB don"t have those huge buffs. On top of that, with a WW ult slotted (which have a ridiculous cost decrease), +15% more stam regen, not saying that i am a imperial (hello silly stam buff ^^)

Conclusion : i have one of the best natural stam regen, one of the best mobility (streak) and with this i can stack plenty of weapon power + max stam, while with a templar or dk i have to go for more passive defense, sacrificing a good part of dps for defense.

You realize, aside from the ultimate cost reduction, that ALL of those passives are lost in ww form, right?

Corellon Thromorin wrote: »

Sorry, but

1, this is ESO any class any role, 2, sorcerer's in this games universe are known for using heavy armor, having little magicka regen, being magicka sponges and being skilled with weapons for when they run out of magicka.

Except that
Dark Magic, Daedric Summoning and Stormcalling are pretty much Magic.
Any class = any role does not equals Sorcerer Skills = Stamina build
You can take a Sorcerer and use weapon skills, see? Any role.

The thing is ZOS wants this game to have viable stamina and magicka builds for each class. If you really don't like that then this probably isn't the game for you. You would probably enjoy a game with more classes with more specific roles for each class.

CP5 · October 2015

sixuponthelot wrote: »

Corellon Thromorin wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

contact.opiumb16_ESO wrote: »

Stamina sorcerers already hit very hard and about to be op IF you play WW, so please ZOS don't give sorcerers another boost while the leaderboard, at least in EU servers are about to be 40% NB, 40% sorcerers, 10% DK, 10% templar.

The leaderboard shows how op those 2 classes (NB and sorcerers) are, and i know what i am saying, i have a templar, HL, a soso HL and a young NB. My sorcerer and NB hits way more harder than the templar, while this one is my better stuffed toon

Mind elaborating on how stamina sorc's are borderline op?

OK. My stam ww sorcerer imperial :
. +20% (!!) stam regen
. reduced cost of ulti by 15%
. +5% max stamina (bound armor) + armor/spell resist buff staching + speed buff (thunderring presence )
. stamina abilities cost reduced by 5%
. +2% weapon power/sorcerer ability slotted (means at least +4% in any build)

Those passives are the best class stamina oriented passives in game, even NB don"t have those huge buffs. On top of that, with a WW ult slotted (which have a ridiculous cost decrease), +15% more stam regen, not saying that i am a imperial (hello silly stam buff ^^)

Conclusion : i have one of the best natural stam regen, one of the best mobility (streak) and with this i can stack plenty of weapon power + max stam, while with a templar or dk i have to go for more passive defense, sacrificing a good part of dps for defense.

You realize, aside from the ultimate cost reduction, that ALL of those passives are lost in ww form, right?

Corellon Thromorin wrote: »

Sorry, but

1, this is ESO any class any role, 2, sorcerer's in this games universe are known for using heavy armor, having little magicka regen, being magicka sponges and being skilled with weapons for when they run out of magicka.

Except that
Dark Magic, Daedric Summoning and Stormcalling are pretty much Magic.
Any class = any role does not equals Sorcerer Skills = Stamina build
You can take a Sorcerer and use weapon skills, see? Any role.

The thing is ZOS wants this game to have viable stamina and magicka builds for each class. If you really don't like that then this probably isn't the game for you. You would probably enjoy a game with more classes with more specific roles for each class.

This, each class fills different roles in different ways. The reason to pick a particular class is the 'how' in what they do, not what they do directly. DK's innately have durability at the loss of mobility and can apply that to any role, sorcs are the opposite and that trait isn't really reaching all roles yet as so many skills and passives only help with max magicka builds/playstyles.