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DK talons need a nerf
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DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
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Then your friends should jump in. I don't see the problem. Sounds like how combat should be.BaldusMageezack wrote: »thelordoffelines wrote: »BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast.
Why talons and not all roots?
Well i agree maybe all roots should be looked at. I have seen people using encase to the same effect. What happens is one person repeat casts the ability and his friends attack while you are permanently immobilized.
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BaldusMageezack✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »
Then your friends should jump in. I don't see the problem. Sounds like how combat should be.BaldusMageezack wrote: »thelordoffelines wrote: »BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast.
Why talons and not all roots?
Well i agree maybe all roots should be looked at. I have seen people using encase to the same effect. What happens is one person repeat casts the ability and his friends attack while you are permanently immobilized.
What if they are busy having open heart surgery?
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Just checked in Esohead. I think now the difference is even bigger. Purge is around 2600, talons 3500. You can download PTS and try for yourself. Best way to learn the skills.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Talons - 3200BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Now it comes L2P from me. Efficient purge is super cheap.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And you do it again. There is no CD in this game. All the other skills are cheaper than talons. You can be sure in that.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Sors as you said BE, night blade - you can ambush or use shadow image, templar - cleanse. Somebody casts roots you use a counter skill. Any other questions?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast. If they are meant to be effected by cc immunity it may not be working properly
You can do that and then talons is just recast. any other questions?
how about purge?
http://www.esohead.com/skills/20252-burning-talons
http://esohead.com/skills/38571-purge
Base cost is about twice as much as talons
Thanks for adding the "super cheap" because guess what? It's EXACTLY the cost of talons. L2P? SO now i have to morph a skill to keep up with the cost effectiveness of talons
Purge - 2900
Source? Because the one I provided states differantly
Provide the source. Because the screen shots i have here show totally different numbers
Aside from that it's pretty high up in the support skill line before you unlock the counter to these skills. The rest simply don't seem to remove roots not sure if bugged or if intentional. Not everyone has access to alchemy right away either.
Morph your purge. Arggggg! I'm so freaking sick of it right now.Edited by Armitas on October 5, 2015 5:46PMRetired.
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BaldusMageezack✭✭✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Just checked in Esohead. I think now the difference is even bigger. Purge is around 2600, talons 3500. You can download PTS and try for yourself. Best way to learn the skills.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Talons - 3200BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Now it comes L2P from me. Efficient purge is super cheap.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And you do it again. There is no CD in this game. All the other skills are cheaper than talons. You can be sure in that.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Sors as you said BE, night blade - you can ambush or use shadow image, templar - cleanse. Somebody casts roots you use a counter skill. Any other questions?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast. If they are meant to be effected by cc immunity it may not be working properly
You can do that and then talons is just recast. any other questions?
how about purge?
http://www.esohead.com/skills/20252-burning-talons
http://esohead.com/skills/38571-purge
Base cost is about twice as much as talons
Thanks for adding the "super cheap" because guess what? It's EXACTLY the cost of talons. L2P? SO now i have to morph a skill to keep up with the cost effectiveness of talons
Purge - 2900
Source? Because the one I provided states differantly
Provide the source. Because the screen shots i have here show totally different numbers
Aside from that it's pretty high up in the support skill line before you unlock the counter to these skills. The rest simply don't seem to remove roots not sure if bugged or if intentional. Not everyone has access to alchemy right away either.
Morph your purge. Dangit! I'm so freaking sick of it right now.
So rank up to support lvl 5 and morph the skill before being able to compete? And sick of what? Morphing skills? Discussions on forums? The forums aren't a requirement if you're sick maybe check out something else.Edited by BaldusMageezack on October 5, 2015 5:50PM0 -
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✭This is ridiculous. OP is expecting to 1vX everything. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not going to win every fight, and coming to the forums to cry for a nerf when you are beaten is the lowest you can go as a gamer. Other than Templars, every class has an immobilize, Cripple/Talons/Mines, just because you got killed in Talons due to bad resource management doesn't constitute a nerf. Sorry, but you need to find counters and quit running 10 DPS skills on your bars."IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations1 -
BaldusMageezack✭✭✭This is ridiculous. OP is expecting to 1vX everything. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not going to win every fight, and coming to the forums to cry for a nerf when you are beaten is the lowest you can go as a gamer. Other than Templars, every class has an immobilize, Cripple/Talons/Mines, just because you got killed in Talons due to bad resource management doesn't constitute a nerf. Sorry, but you need to find counters and quit running 10 DPS skills on your bars.
No one said anything about 1vX or winning every fight. Stop being so upset and dramatic. The skill needs adjusting or needs to provide CC immunity it's as simple as that. Besides I clearly have one self heal slottedEdited by BaldusMageezack on October 5, 2015 5:57PM0 -
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✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »This is ridiculous. OP is expecting to 1vX everything. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not going to win every fight, and coming to the forums to cry for a nerf when you are beaten is the lowest you can go as a gamer. Other than Templars, every class has an immobilize, Cripple/Talons/Mines, just because you got killed in Talons due to bad resource management doesn't constitute a nerf. Sorry, but you need to find counters and quit running 10 DPS skills on your bars.
No one said anything about 1vX or winning every fight. Stop being so upset and dramatic. The skill needs adjusting or needs to provide CC immunity it's as simple as that.
You complained about getting killed by 3 players, provided an example of a DK having you in Talons and the other two DPS'ing you down. That's whining about not being able to 1vX. I don't think anyone agrees with you, and I'm not going to go back in forth discussing and bumping this ridiculous cry for help thread. Counters exist, use them.
"IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations1 -
Just throwing this out there but talons is block able for any noobs who didn't know this. Try booking it and you get no damage from anything of it in a DK and we have been nerfed so much it's unreal I used to be a hardcore dragon knight lover but these days I go into imperial city and I say to myself I wonder how I'm going to kill someone and now it's come to the fact that I'm having to WB spam everything in my way because there is nothing I can do with DK's skill tree I use 3 skills at most out of it and 1 ultimate and I used to walk on all kinds of skills and have the 3 ultimates unlocked but there literally is no point anymore0
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BaldusMageezack✭✭✭Just throwing this out there but talons is block able for any noobs who didn't know this. Try booking it and you get no damage from anything of it in a DK and we have been nerfed so much it's unreal I used to be a hardcore dragon knight lover but these days I go into imperial city and I say to myself I wonder how I'm going to kill someone and now it's come to the fact that I'm having to WB spam everything in my way because there is nothing I can do with DK's skill tree I use 3 skills at most out of it and 1 ultimate and I used to walk on all kinds of skills and have the 3 ultimates unlocked but there literally is no point anymore
Not worried about the damage it's the root that's an issue.0 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Just checked in Esohead. I think now the difference is even bigger. Purge is around 2600, talons 3500. You can download PTS and try for yourself. Best way to learn the skills.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Talons - 3200BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Now it comes L2P from me. Efficient purge is super cheap.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And you do it again. There is no CD in this game. All the other skills are cheaper than talons. You can be sure in that.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Sors as you said BE, night blade - you can ambush or use shadow image, templar - cleanse. Somebody casts roots you use a counter skill. Any other questions?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast. If they are meant to be effected by cc immunity it may not be working properly
You can do that and then talons is just recast. any other questions?
how about purge?
http://www.esohead.com/skills/20252-burning-talons
http://esohead.com/skills/38571-purge
Base cost is about twice as much as talons
Thanks for adding the "super cheap" because guess what? It's EXACTLY the cost of talons. L2P? SO now i have to morph a skill to keep up with the cost effectiveness of talons
Purge - 2900
Source? Because the one I provided states differantly
Provide the source. Because the screen shots i have here show totally different numbers
Aside from that it's pretty high up in the support skill line before you unlock the counter to these skills. The rest simply don't seem to remove roots not sure if bugged or if intentional. Not everyone has access to alchemy right away either.
Morph your purge. Dangit! I'm so freaking sick of it right now.
So rank up to support lvl 5 and morph the skill before being able to compete? And sick of what? Morphing skills? Discussions on forums? The forums aren't a requirement if you're sick maybe check out something else.
It doesn't take that long, repair some walls and tag some heals instead of trying to nerf it. I would at least get that much experience pvping before I try to get class nerfed that's for sure.Edited by Armitas on October 5, 2015 6:11PMRetired.
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BaldusMageezack✭✭✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »This is ridiculous. OP is expecting to 1vX everything. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're not going to win every fight, and coming to the forums to cry for a nerf when you are beaten is the lowest you can go as a gamer. Other than Templars, every class has an immobilize, Cripple/Talons/Mines, just because you got killed in Talons due to bad resource management doesn't constitute a nerf. Sorry, but you need to find counters and quit running 10 DPS skills on your bars.
No one said anything about 1vX or winning every fight. Stop being so upset and dramatic. The skill needs adjusting or needs to provide CC immunity it's as simple as that.
You complained about getting killed by 3 players, provided an example of a DK having you in Talons and the other two DPS'ing you down. That's whining about not being able to 1vX. I don't think anyone agrees with you, and I'm not going to go back in forth discussing and bumping this ridiculous cry for help thread. Counters exist, use them.
Ten and 3 are very different numbers. Not going to attempt to explain that further. And you can save your demeaning comments because they add nothing useful here, or anyplace else and i frankly don't take insult.0 -
BaldusMageezack✭✭✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Just checked in Esohead. I think now the difference is even bigger. Purge is around 2600, talons 3500. You can download PTS and try for yourself. Best way to learn the skills.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Talons - 3200BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Now it comes L2P from me. Efficient purge is super cheap.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And you do it again. There is no CD in this game. All the other skills are cheaper than talons. You can be sure in that.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Sors as you said BE, night blade - you can ambush or use shadow image, templar - cleanse. Somebody casts roots you use a counter skill. Any other questions?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast. If they are meant to be effected by cc immunity it may not be working properly
You can do that and then talons is just recast. any other questions?
how about purge?
http://www.esohead.com/skills/20252-burning-talons
http://esohead.com/skills/38571-purge
Base cost is about twice as much as talons
Thanks for adding the "super cheap" because guess what? It's EXACTLY the cost of talons. L2P? SO now i have to morph a skill to keep up with the cost effectiveness of talons
Purge - 2900
Source? Because the one I provided states differantly
Provide the source. Because the screen shots i have here show totally different numbers
Aside from that it's pretty high up in the support skill line before you unlock the counter to these skills. The rest simply don't seem to remove roots not sure if bugged or if intentional. Not everyone has access to alchemy right away either.
Morph your purge. Dangit! I'm so freaking sick of it right now.
So rank up to support lvl 5 and morph the skill before being able to compete? And sick of what? Morphing skills? Discussions on forums? The forums aren't a requirement if you're sick maybe check out something else.
It doesn't take that long, repair some walls and tag some heals instead of trying to nerf it.
Not concerned with the time it takes a counter should exist without having to level up in pvp first. I could understand dps abilities being higher level but a counter to a root shouldn't be time gated beyond an reasonable amount to discourage imbalance.0 -
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✭I'm guessing that this is a PvE'r that got introduced to PvP via the IC DLC. And he obviously found that fighting other players isn't his cup of tea and wants ZOS to change things to suit his solo play style. There are a lot of players out there like this. You see them complaining in zone chat in IC all the time. As the owner of two DK's all I can say is "toughen up kid".Fernwood, EP Haderus NA
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✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Just checked in Esohead. I think now the difference is even bigger. Purge is around 2600, talons 3500. You can download PTS and try for yourself. Best way to learn the skills.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Talons - 3200BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Now it comes L2P from me. Efficient purge is super cheap.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And you do it again. There is no CD in this game. All the other skills are cheaper than talons. You can be sure in that.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Sors as you said BE, night blade - you can ambush or use shadow image, templar - cleanse. Somebody casts roots you use a counter skill. Any other questions?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast. If they are meant to be effected by cc immunity it may not be working properly
You can do that and then talons is just recast. any other questions?
how about purge?
http://www.esohead.com/skills/20252-burning-talons
http://esohead.com/skills/38571-purge
Base cost is about twice as much as talons
Thanks for adding the "super cheap" because guess what? It's EXACTLY the cost of talons. L2P? SO now i have to morph a skill to keep up with the cost effectiveness of talons
Purge - 2900
Source? Because the one I provided states differantly
Provide the source. Because the screen shots i have here show totally different numbers
Aside from that it's pretty high up in the support skill line before you unlock the counter to these skills. The rest simply don't seem to remove roots not sure if bugged or if intentional. Not everyone has access to alchemy right away either.
Morph your purge. Dangit! I'm so freaking sick of it right now.
So rank up to support lvl 5 and morph the skill before being able to compete? And sick of what? Morphing skills? Discussions on forums? The forums aren't a requirement if you're sick maybe check out something else.
He is probably sick of people dying to other players and then coming straight to the forums crying for nerfs without even thinking about it.1 -
BaldusMageezack✭✭✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Just checked in Esohead. I think now the difference is even bigger. Purge is around 2600, talons 3500. You can download PTS and try for yourself. Best way to learn the skills.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Talons - 3200BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Now it comes L2P from me. Efficient purge is super cheap.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And you do it again. There is no CD in this game. All the other skills are cheaper than talons. You can be sure in that.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Sors as you said BE, night blade - you can ambush or use shadow image, templar - cleanse. Somebody casts roots you use a counter skill. Any other questions?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast. If they are meant to be effected by cc immunity it may not be working properly
You can do that and then talons is just recast. any other questions?
how about purge?
http://www.esohead.com/skills/20252-burning-talons
http://esohead.com/skills/38571-purge
Base cost is about twice as much as talons
Thanks for adding the "super cheap" because guess what? It's EXACTLY the cost of talons. L2P? SO now i have to morph a skill to keep up with the cost effectiveness of talons
Purge - 2900
Source? Because the one I provided states differantly
Provide the source. Because the screen shots i have here show totally different numbers
Aside from that it's pretty high up in the support skill line before you unlock the counter to these skills. The rest simply don't seem to remove roots not sure if bugged or if intentional. Not everyone has access to alchemy right away either.
Morph your purge. Dangit! I'm so freaking sick of it right now.
So rank up to support lvl 5 and morph the skill before being able to compete? And sick of what? Morphing skills? Discussions on forums? The forums aren't a requirement if you're sick maybe check out something else.
He is probably sick of people dying to other players and then coming straight to the forums crying for nerfs without even thinking about it.
How insightful. Like i mentioned in that quote forums are not required reading material0 -
BaldusMageezack wrote: »Just throwing this out there but talons is block able for any noobs who didn't know this. Try booking it and you get no damage from anything of it in a DK and we have been nerfed so much it's unreal I used to be a hardcore dragon knight lover but these days I go into imperial city and I say to myself I wonder how I'm going to kill someone and now it's come to the fact that I'm having to WB spam everything in my way because there is nothing I can do with DK's skill tree I use 3 skills at most out of it and 1 ultimate and I used to walk on all kinds of skills and have the 3 ultimates unlocked but there literally is no point anymore
Not worried about the damage it's the root that's an issue.
you can actually block the root, next time someone tries to use talons just block and you wont be rooted, or ask a dk on a different alliance to use talon whilst your blocking and tell me if you get rooted, because ZOS said that they changed it so it can be blocked but they are reverting that in next patch1 -
BaldusMageezack✭✭✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »Just throwing this out there but talons is block able for any noobs who didn't know this. Try booking it and you get no damage from anything of it in a DK and we have been nerfed so much it's unreal I used to be a hardcore dragon knight lover but these days I go into imperial city and I say to myself I wonder how I'm going to kill someone and now it's come to the fact that I'm having to WB spam everything in my way because there is nothing I can do with DK's skill tree I use 3 skills at most out of it and 1 ultimate and I used to walk on all kinds of skills and have the 3 ultimates unlocked but there literally is no point anymore
Not worried about the damage it's the root that's an issue.
you can actually block the root, next time someone tries to use talons just block and you wont be rooted, or ask a dk on a different alliance to use talon whilst your blocking and tell me if you get rooted, because ZOS said that they changed it so it can be blocked but they are reverting that in next patch
Thank man I'll definitely test that out0 -
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✭✭✭BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Just checked in Esohead. I think now the difference is even bigger. Purge is around 2600, talons 3500. You can download PTS and try for yourself. Best way to learn the skills.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Talons - 3200BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Now it comes L2P from me. Efficient purge is super cheap.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And you do it again. There is no CD in this game. All the other skills are cheaper than talons. You can be sure in that.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
Sors as you said BE, night blade - you can ambush or use shadow image, templar - cleanse. Somebody casts roots you use a counter skill. Any other questions?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
And what is your class again?BaldusMageezack wrote: »
What is your class? You can only complain if you are a DK cause a DK has no class counter to talons. All the other classes have. There a lot of no class skills which are counter to talons.BaldusMageezack wrote: »
There is no counter to talons because it can just be recast. The only ability I can see getting me away is bolt escape
I play them all why? Let's stick to the topic of the thread plz Dk talons need to either be effected by CC immunity, have no magika regen while active or have increased magika cost on recast. If they are meant to be effected by cc immunity it may not be working properly
You can do that and then talons is just recast. any other questions?
how about purge?
http://www.esohead.com/skills/20252-burning-talons
http://esohead.com/skills/38571-purge
Base cost is about twice as much as talons
Thanks for adding the "super cheap" because guess what? It's EXACTLY the cost of talons. L2P? SO now i have to morph a skill to keep up with the cost effectiveness of talons
Purge - 2900
Source? Because the one I provided states differantly
Provide the source. Because the screen shots i have here show totally different numbers
Aside from that it's pretty high up in the support skill line before you unlock the counter to these skills. The rest simply don't seem to remove roots not sure if bugged or if intentional. Not everyone has access to alchemy right away either.
The Efficient Purge morph cuts its cost by about half iirc.0 -
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