I'm getting this too, and I thought it was going to be an issue with my FPS/latency. But if lots of people are seeing it, I guess it's not. It essentially feels like the lockpick is lagging, as it is stuttery, and much less smooth than on Live.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

So, we took a look and nothing should be different with lockpicking (aside from one bug involving broken lock picks). Any chance you guys who are seeing the issue could take a video or livestream for us? Not sure if the issue will translate well, but it's worth a shot.

FINALLY made a video! It's a little hard to tell, but you'll see the horizontal movement just seems to jump from one location to the other, without being able to slide slowly over the tumblers.

The vertical movement is much jerkier than usual; it's like the animation doesn't move down over every pixel, but jumps some, making it appear to stutter.

The friend I was grouped with also had this (admittedly) minor issue.

https://youtu.be/CQiatW7W0AQ

Hope this helps!

Fissh wrote: »

The question: Is it a bug OR just lag?

Personally I think it's a rather obscure bug.
It's easily duplicated & proven under lag free situations. It's also easily comparable to live as being much different feeling.

Icy wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

So, we took a look and nothing should be different with lockpicking (aside from one bug involving broken lock picks). Any chance you guys who are seeing the issue could take a video or livestream for us? Not sure if the issue will translate well, but it's worth a shot.

FINALLY made a video! It's a little hard to tell, but you'll see the horizontal movement just seems to jump from one location to the other, without being able to slide slowly over the tumblers.

The vertical movement is much jerkier than usual; it's like the animation doesn't move down over every pixel, but jumps some, making it appear to stutter.

The friend I was grouped with also had this (admittedly) minor issue.

https://youtu.be/CQiatW7W0AQ

Hope this helps!

@Icy Good job, that shows the issue very clearly. @ZOS_GinaBruno hopefully this video will go some way towards identifying the cause of the issue.

@Enodoc TY ^_^

Frankly, I don't get it. What I see and hear while attempting to pick a lock is very little like that shown in the video posted on this thread by Icy.

First of all, there is no identifiable goal to the game, i.e., what position must each of the pins be in before the lock will open? Must each and every one be pushed down until all of it is in the slot and it remains there? If any one or more can be left partially inserted, then how does the player know that a pin has been moved far enough?

The movement of the pin down the slot is seldom smooth. The "resistance" of the spring beneath it makes it shake. With each passing second, the pin descends more slowly while the player holds the LMB down. Apparently there's nothing the player can do to change the speed. And there's nothing which signals that the pin will be fully inserted if the player releases the LMB.

There is no identifiable pattern to the noises that occur while pushing the pin, except one which seems to be a warning that the pick is about to break. I've never been able to respond quickly enough to stop the break from occurring, of course. So that seems to be a vicious little jab at the player from the game designer.

When I release the LMB, the pin either returns to its initial position, or, occasionally, slides down completely into the slot. It rarely remains partially inserted into the slot.

Regardless, the time almost always expires before I can press each pin with the pick, and when a pick breaks, it's game over.

Which is to say, I have succeded only once in 50+ attempts, and that seemingly by accident, insofar as I learned nothing from doing so because there was nothing that I could identify as something that "worked". When the player succeeds the display of the cutaway quickly vanishes, so they cannot see the respective positions of all the pins.

The likelihood of successfully forcing a lock is so low that the cost of the lockpicks will quite likely exceed the value of the content of the chest. You don't want to know the amount of coin which I've wasted on lockpicks!

Indeed, I no longer pay any attention to the chests that I discover outdoors, or in delves. My avatar carries only lockpicks that were found during searches, so there are usually just one or two if there are any at all to waste. At least now I don't waste my time and effort, or the coins, any more.

The problem though, is that I have encountered one Quest ("False Accusations" in Koegler Village, Stormhaven, Daggerfall) in which the player -- not the avatar, but the player, because there is no SKILL LINE for the avatar to pick locks -- must pick a lock to enter the Constable's house and search it. If the player fails -- and perhaps if the player succeeds -- then the avatar is declared "disreputable" and a "bounty" is placed upon him.

You may be sure that the avatar will encounter a "guard" soon after who demands that he pay the bounty to remove the onus. I don't know what happens if the avatar refuses, or if the avatar does not have enough coin to pay it, but I don't like the outcome regardless. It adds insult to injury. And the avatar cannot complete the quest unless and until the lock is successfully picked or forced, so they can enter the house to search it.

It is bad enough that my avatar must pass-up the contents of chests which other players apparently can and do gain, and do so without any penalty. If ever again I find a situation in which I must pick a lock in order for my avatar to continue a quest, then I will no longer be playing TESO.

It is clear that the TESO game designers only want players who can learn how to "win" their little lockpicking game. So that is likely to be the only players that they will have remaining, as the others begin to realize and discover how much that stupid little hand-eye coordination simulation costs them if they can't win it. So they stop paying for TESO if not also stop playing it.

Apparently, neither Bethesda nor Zenimax Online realize that they lose when the the player loses. Can either firm afford what the lockpicking game costs them?

TESO is otherwise a mostly quite lovely and enjoyable RPG, but there always has to be some effing sadist on the design team that cannot resist the opportunity to degrade and humiliate people.

First of all, lockpicking is quite easy once you realize that there are three and only three positions at which a particular tumbler can stop. You look for a jiggle at that point and let go quickly, and if you don't get it the next attempt on that tumbler is cake. Once you get that, you can pick even master level locks without sound.

That said, lockpicking in the IC does seem laggy to me, and I attribute it to the extra graphics load of the blue glow on the chests. But then, I play on a laptop (macbook pro) so I accept graphics lag as a price of portability. Regardless, the lag (or mouse sensitivity, or whatever you want to call it) it is definitely there. It makes IC chests a bit more difficult than those in the outside world, but not massively so.