Dragonknights - The Misconception

Armitas · October 2015

vortexman11 wrote: »

I've began to not comment on threads like these unless I see a dev/mod respond by the way..... It's too depressing.

Yeah I thought about doing a huge comprehensive, everything a dev needs to know and how to fix it thread...but unless it reaches 17pages to get noticed and someone hand delivers it to the proper team, and then they actually read it I would be wasting an entire day on it. But I should'nt even have to do that. At this point they should be asking us on the developer discussion thread about the DK. They should be saying "hey, why are all these dks freaking out on the forums?" But they are not, they are thinking "how can we make this go away for a while without doing anything".

Lord_Hev · October 2015

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All ZOS devs, please take a moment to read and review this thread before nerfing and destroying DKs even more... Thank you for your time.

Radolfus · October 2015

I agree with most of what you wrote. ESPECIALLY the chain and inferno part Lul. Although im doing ok with my magicka DK atm I found myself mostly playing on my sorc cause of the empty sad feeling logging on my DK gave me. Admittingly when I got off my ass and geared my DK up to full V16 yellow I was able to enjoy the class a bit more. I would definetly be down for a DK gap closer to replace chain as well.

DUTCH_REAPER · October 2015

Devs please look at what Yonkit wrote. He has hit the nail on the head.

Xsorus · October 2015

Health Recovery is ok after this patch.

If you stack it that is...I'm basically sitting at 3k Health recovery base...which is about double with Vigor will heal me for every 2 seconds.... when I drop below 60% life I get 4200 health recovery...which stacked with Vigor i'm able to face tank a lot of people right now not even bothering blocking or anything...

However..Yonkit is right about Elder Dragon being complete *** (the health recovery passive)

its 5% per Draconic Power ability on your bar....Meanwhile..Nightblades flat out get as a passive mind you...15% Health Recovery/Stamina Recovery/Magicka Recovery.

The passives in general for the DK are pretty awful in comparison to the Nightblade for example....

But he's right about Magicka DK's being awful...so many nerfs have made it such an ass of a class....Stamina ones are only good cause you don't on DK abilities really... and pretty much every other Stamina Class is better..

DUTCH_REAPER · October 2015

Yup Stam DKs have almost no class abilities slotted..why? Because DK class abilities are not as efficient compared to the non class ones. The magic DKs...well we all know they have been hit with the nerf hammer so hard even other class players see it and agree. If that isn't shouting out loud the DK class has been broken I don't know what will. Use to be TONS of DKs in pvp. Not anymore.

Wollust · October 2015

I changed my beloved magicka DK to stamina, even though I'm not a fan of stamina play. And it performs alright with the wrecking blow spam. That being said, every other class can do the very same and actually even better. Makes me kinda sad seeing the poor DK and especially the magicka one so hard at the very bottom of the food chain.

But hey, we will get balanced. Maybe. In the future. Someday. Eventually.

*sigh*

Waylander · October 2015

I love my stamina DK for PvP, but only for take flight as it is the most epic ultimate in the game.

Of class skills I run igneous (for the healing buff to vigor), spiked armour (for major resolve but will probably swap this for shuffle), wings (will replace with sword and board reflect as sword and board passives are better) and burning breath (which I will probably swap for caltrops when I get it).

The dots are only really useful against other DK's as NB's cloak to purge, templars purge and sorcs shield the dot. I wish i could rely on the dots to pressure an opponent but I can't.

Great post yonkit/panda

Yonkit · October 2015

Armitas wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

I've began to not comment on threads like these unless I see a dev/mod respond by the way..... It's too depressing.

Yeah I thought about doing a huge comprehensive, everything a dev needs to know and how to fix it thread...but unless it reaches 17pages to get noticed and someone hand delivers it to the proper team, and then they actually read it I would be wasting an entire day on it. But I should'nt even have to do that. At this point they should be asking us on the developer discussion thread about the DK. They should be saying "hey, why are all these dks freaking out on the forums?" But they are not, they are thinking "how can we make this go away for a while without doing anything".

The Devs are so out of touch with their playerbase that's why... I'll give huge credit to Rich and Gina for making a post a day from the looks of it, and I understand the rest of the devs can't be on the forums all the time but they need to at the least make an effort, how many times have we seen a post from the combat team, or the art team? I mean really?

Waylander wrote: »

I love my stamina DK for PvP, but only for take flight as it is the most epic ultimate in the game.

Of class skills I run igneous (for the healing buff to vigor), spiked armour (for major resolve but will probably swap this for shuffle), wings (will replace with sword and board reflect as sword and board passives are better) and burning breath (which I will probably swap for caltrops when I get it).

The dots are only really useful against other DK's as NB's cloak to purge, templars purge and sorcs shield the dot. I wish i could rely on the dots to pressure an opponent but I can't.

Great post yonkit/panda

We are Legion, We are many.

Xsorus wrote: »

Health Recovery is ok after this patch.

If you stack it that is...I'm basically sitting at 3k Health recovery base...which is about double with Vigor will heal me for every 2 seconds.... when I drop below 60% life I get 4200 health recovery...which stacked with Vigor i'm able to face tank a lot of people right now not even bothering blocking or anything...

However..Yonkit is right about Elder Dragon being complete *** (the health recovery passive)

its 5% per Draconic Power ability on your bar....Meanwhile..Nightblades flat out get as a passive mind you...15% Health Recovery/Stamina Recovery/Magicka Recovery.

The passives in general for the DK are pretty awful in comparison to the Nightblade for example....

But he's right about Magicka DK's being awful...so many nerfs have made it such an ass of a class....Stamina ones are only good cause you don't on DK abilities really... and pretty much every other Stamina Class is better..

Or you could just stack Stamina/Weapon damage and vigor would heal you for the same as health recovery, problem with stacking health recovery is disease/poison can't remember which, cuts it by half, and then a healing debuff cuts your actual heals so meh... Not trying to call you out but imo Tanks are just useless in PvP, fun to play, but useless to the group, that's why I liked 1.5/1.6 DKs, we were shock troopers, holding the line and dealing damage at the same time, and now we're those ghetto ad commercials you see.

When somebody says Magicka DK, this is what I picture.

And then I grab Vortexman in my right arm and we cry together

Yonkit · October 2015

Waylander wrote: »

I love my stamina DK for PvP, but only for take flight as it is the most epic ultimate in the game.

Of class skills I run igneous (for the healing buff to vigor), spiked armour (for major resolve but will probably swap this for shuffle), wings (will replace with sword and board reflect as sword and board passives are better) and burning breath (which I will probably swap for caltrops when I get it).

The dots are only really useful against other DK's as NB's cloak to purge, templars purge and sorcs shield the dot. I wish i could rely on the dots to pressure an opponent but I can't.

Great post yonkit/panda

Yea, I use Igneous to buff Rally/Vigor, and Take Flight, occasionally I'll slot Unstable Flame and Burning Breath but otherwise nope, Take Flight is on my Dual Wield bar for the increased damage, and it's the only DK skill/Ultimate in the entire game that hits for more than 10k in one go. Cough NBs. Cough Surprise Attack. Cough.

But I use Sword/Board & Dual Wield most of the time so I don't need any DK skills lol, Heavy Attack, Puncture, Bash, Heavy Attack, Heroic Slash, Bash, throw in a Reverberating Bash when they start healing and you can kill just about anyone, I refuse to use 2Her and spam Wrecking Blow like a monkey though. @Galalin I'm looking at you scrub!

Galalin · October 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

Waylander wrote: »

I love my stamina DK for PvP, but only for take flight as it is the most epic ultimate in the game.

Of class skills I run igneous (for the healing buff to vigor), spiked armour (for major resolve but will probably swap this for shuffle), wings (will replace with sword and board reflect as sword and board passives are better) and burning breath (which I will probably swap for caltrops when I get it).

The dots are only really useful against other DK's as NB's cloak to purge, templars purge and sorcs shield the dot. I wish i could rely on the dots to pressure an opponent but I can't.

Great post yonkit/panda

Yea, I use Igneous to buff Rally/Vigor, and Take Flight, occasionally I'll slot Unstable Flame and Burning Breath but otherwise nope, Take Flight is on my Dual Wield bar for the increased damage, and it's the only DK skill/Ultimate in the entire game that hits for more than 10k in one go. Cough NBs. Cough Surprise Attack. Cough.

But I use Sword/Board & Dual Wield most of the time so I don't need any DK skills lol, Heavy Attack, Puncture, Bash, Heavy Attack, Heroic Slash, Bash, throw in a Reverberating Bash when they start healing and you can kill just about anyone, I refuse to use 2Her and spam Wrecking Blow like a monkey though. @Galalin I'm looking at you scrub!

Lol i feel the love... nothing like a Wb followed by ferocious leap... that has love written all over it.

DK SCRUB OUT

Yonkit · October 2015

Galalin wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Waylander wrote: »

I love my stamina DK for PvP, but only for take flight as it is the most epic ultimate in the game.

Of class skills I run igneous (for the healing buff to vigor), spiked armour (for major resolve but will probably swap this for shuffle), wings (will replace with sword and board reflect as sword and board passives are better) and burning breath (which I will probably swap for caltrops when I get it).

The dots are only really useful against other DK's as NB's cloak to purge, templars purge and sorcs shield the dot. I wish i could rely on the dots to pressure an opponent but I can't.

Great post yonkit/panda

Yea, I use Igneous to buff Rally/Vigor, and Take Flight, occasionally I'll slot Unstable Flame and Burning Breath but otherwise nope, Take Flight is on my Dual Wield bar for the increased damage, and it's the only DK skill/Ultimate in the entire game that hits for more than 10k in one go. Cough NBs. Cough Surprise Attack. Cough.

But I use Sword/Board & Dual Wield most of the time so I don't need any DK skills lol, Heavy Attack, Puncture, Bash, Heavy Attack, Heroic Slash, Bash, throw in a Reverberating Bash when they start healing and you can kill just about anyone, I refuse to use 2Her and spam Wrecking Blow like a monkey though. @Galalin I'm looking at you scrub!

Lol i feel the love... nothing like a Wb followed by ferocious leap... that has love written all over it.

DK SCRUB OUT

Ferocious is for scrubs, scrub, use take flight and fly your way back to stonefalls!

Galalin · October 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Waylander wrote: »

I love my stamina DK for PvP, but only for take flight as it is the most epic ultimate in the game.

Of class skills I run igneous (for the healing buff to vigor), spiked armour (for major resolve but will probably swap this for shuffle), wings (will replace with sword and board reflect as sword and board passives are better) and burning breath (which I will probably swap for caltrops when I get it).

The dots are only really useful against other DK's as NB's cloak to purge, templars purge and sorcs shield the dot. I wish i could rely on the dots to pressure an opponent but I can't.

Great post yonkit/panda

Yea, I use Igneous to buff Rally/Vigor, and Take Flight, occasionally I'll slot Unstable Flame and Burning Breath but otherwise nope, Take Flight is on my Dual Wield bar for the increased damage, and it's the only DK skill/Ultimate in the entire game that hits for more than 10k in one go. Cough NBs. Cough Surprise Attack. Cough.

But I use Sword/Board & Dual Wield most of the time so I don't need any DK skills lol, Heavy Attack, Puncture, Bash, Heavy Attack, Heroic Slash, Bash, throw in a Reverberating Bash when they start healing and you can kill just about anyone, I refuse to use 2Her and spam Wrecking Blow like a monkey though. @Galalin I'm looking at you scrub!

Lol i feel the love... nothing like a Wb followed by ferocious leap... that has love written all over it.

DK SCRUB OUT

Ferocious is for scrubs, scrub, use take flight and fly your way back to stonefalls!

But that shield is absolutely scrubtastic although the extra punch from take flight is nice i dont find it necessary as you follow it with execute and its usually lights out and you have a nice damage shield left to fight on. On the other hand the increased range is nice for those snipers on keep walls

DK SCRUB OUT

BigTone · October 2015

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Yup Stam DKs have almost no class abilities slotted..why? Because DK class abilities are not as efficient compared to the non class ones. The magic DKs...well we all know they have been hit with the nerf hammer so hard even other class players see it and agree. If that isn't shouting out loud the DK class has been broken I don't know what will. Use to be TONS of DKs in pvp. Not anymore.

This is a big problem and a big sign that the class is under powered. When you aren't using class abilities, you are going to be outplayed by another class. Look at most NB and magicka sorc builds right now, they have so many class abilities on their bar. Stam DK doesn't compare.

Xsorus · October 2015

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

RadioheadSh0t · October 2015

I'm sorry, there are a lot of things that could be done for DKs, reverting the Wings nerf is not one that I agree with.

There are two true reflects in the game, and one is a one-off that only reflects Magicka projectiles, the other used to be able to negate all ranged attacks.

The wings nerf may be the most necessary of all the DK nerfs. And wings are still highly effective, and are still the only counter to ranged builds.

No one class should be invulnerable to ranged attacks, and anyone who would argue otherwise is not pragmatic in their opinion.

aco5712 · October 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

@Xsorus poison decreases your health recovery

JDar · October 2015

There is no ZoS_EricW in that list, which is a crock. Of all the people to put in an ivory tower. It basically says, the guy who matters isn't supposed to care what you think.

Xsorus · October 2015

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

@Xsorus poison decreases your health recovery

That's what people have said, which is odd, but it does give a reason to run poison I guess...

aco5712 · October 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

@Xsorus poison decreases your health recovery

That's what people have said, which is odd, but it does give a reason to run poison I guess...

yeh well i mean all enchants need to proc something. Fire is for high burst dot. Poison for health rec. debuff. Disease for healing debuff. I think ice might be able to proc snare. I think i lightning might be able to proc damage debuff.

JDar · October 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

@Xsorus poison decreases your health recovery

That's what people have said, which is odd, but it does give a reason to run poison I guess...

Somebody smarter than me told me to think about poison because of more frequent werewolf sightings.

Yonkit · October 2015

JDar wrote: »

There is no ZoS_EricW in that list, which is a crock. Of all the people to put in an ivory tower. It basically says, the guy who matters isn't supposed to care what you think.

Lol, if ZoS cared about what we thought they wouldn't have pushed PTS to live the way it was.

Xsorus wrote: »

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

Rally & Vigor buffed with Igneous Shield and only 27 CP into Blessed and 10 into Quick Recovery heals me for 3.5k a tick noncrit Vigor and rally is 1.1k a tick noncrit, so that's a little over 9k healing every 2 seconds, and 4.6k a second. Noncrits. So yea.......

RadioheadSh0t wrote: »

I'm sorry, there are a lot of things that could be done for DKs, reverting the Wings nerf is not one that I agree with.

There are two true reflects in the game, and one is a one-off that only reflects Magicka projectiles, the other used to be able to negate all ranged attacks.

The wings nerf may be the most necessary of all the DK nerfs. And wings are still highly effective, and are still the only counter to ranged builds.

No one class should be invulnerable to ranged attacks, and anyone who would argue otherwise is not pragmatic in their opinion.

@RadioheadSh0t A class with no ranged abilities and a broken gap closer SHOULD be immune to ranged, all ranged, all the time, give us a gap closer that works, and is a class skill, and you can keep wings the way it is.

RadioheadSh0t · October 2015

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

@Xsorus poison decreases your health recovery

That's what people have said, which is odd, but it does give a reason to run poison I guess...

yeh well i mean all enchants need to proc something. Fire is for high burst dot. Poison for health rec. debuff. Disease for healing debuff. I think ice might be able to proc snare. I think i lightning might be able to proc damage debuff.

I think you're right on all but lightning, I believe lightning is disorient.

Waylander · October 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

Yea, I use Igneous to buff Rally/Vigor, and Take Flight, occasionally I'll slot Unstable Flame and Burning Breath but otherwise nope, Take Flight is on my Dual Wield bar for the increased damage, and it's the only DK skill/Ultimate in the entire game that hits for more than 10k in one go. Cough NBs. Cough Surprise Attack. Cough.

But I use Sword/Board & Dual Wield most of the time so I don't need any DK skills lol, Heavy Attack, Puncture, Bash, Heavy Attack, Heroic Slash, Bash, throw in a Reverberating Bash when they start healing and you can kill just about anyone, I refuse to use 2Her and spam Wrecking Blow like a monkey though. @Galalin I'm looking at you scrub!

Same, take flight on the dual wield bar (and igneous/vigor for the increased heals) and flawless dawnbreaker (or banner if required for keeps/IC) on the sword and board bar (which is my single target and recovery bar). I could actually find a place for molten armaments if it was a bit of a better skill due to the sword and board heavy attack/heroic slash/bash weave.

@Galalin must play off a decent ping as he never seems to miss a wrecking blow on me! Wrecking blow into dragon leap is GG.

Yonkit · October 2015

BigTone wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Yup Stam DKs have almost no class abilities slotted..why? Because DK class abilities are not as efficient compared to the non class ones. The magic DKs...well we all know they have been hit with the nerf hammer so hard even other class players see it and agree. If that isn't shouting out loud the DK class has been broken I don't know what will. Use to be TONS of DKs in pvp. Not anymore.

This is a big problem and a big sign that the class is under powered. When you aren't using class abilities, you are going to be outplayed by another class. Look at most NB and magicka sorc builds right now, they have so many class abilities on their bar. Stam DK doesn't compare.

Cloak, Surprise Attack, Ambush, Fear, Vigor, Incap Strike 5/6 on main bar

Rally, Killer's Blade, Shuffle, Stampede, Caltrops, Soul Tether, 2/6 on off bar. & Sometimes I swap out Stampede for Agony for the ranged stun, and Caltrops for Power Extraction. So GG.

As opposed to my Stam DK.

Igneous Shield, Puncture, Heroic Slash, Reverb Bash, Vigor, Werewolf 1/6

Executioner, Rally, Stampede, Rapids, Caltrops, Take Flight 1/6

GG ZoS, GG.

Xsorus · October 2015

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

@Xsorus poison decreases your health recovery

That's what people have said, which is odd, but it does give a reason to run poison I guess...

yeh well i mean all enchants need to proc something. Fire is for high burst dot. Poison for health rec. debuff. Disease for healing debuff. I think ice might be able to proc snare. I think i lightning might be able to proc damage debuff.

Thankfully most people aren't running poison now heheh, well cept for poison injection.

I also think people are underestimating weapon Enchants right now and powered trait

Galalin · October 2015

Waylander wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Yea, I use Igneous to buff Rally/Vigor, and Take Flight, occasionally I'll slot Unstable Flame and Burning Breath but otherwise nope, Take Flight is on my Dual Wield bar for the increased damage, and it's the only DK skill/Ultimate in the entire game that hits for more than 10k in one go. Cough NBs. Cough Surprise Attack. Cough.

But I use Sword/Board & Dual Wield most of the time so I don't need any DK skills lol, Heavy Attack, Puncture, Bash, Heavy Attack, Heroic Slash, Bash, throw in a Reverberating Bash when they start healing and you can kill just about anyone, I refuse to use 2Her and spam Wrecking Blow like a monkey though. @Galalin I'm looking at you scrub!

Same, take flight on the dual wield bar (and igneous/vigor for the increased heals) and flawless dawnbreaker (or banner if required for keeps/IC) on the sword and board bar (which is my single target and recovery bar). I could actually find a place for molten armaments if it was a bit of a better skill due to the sword and board heavy attack/heroic slash/bash weave.

@Galalin must play off a decent ping as he never seems to miss a wrecking blow on me! Wrecking blow into dragon leap is GG.

I have trained many years playing baseball and more recently golf

much love in the swing is the key

DK SCRUB OUT

Yonkit · October 2015

Waylander wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Yea, I use Igneous to buff Rally/Vigor, and Take Flight, occasionally I'll slot Unstable Flame and Burning Breath but otherwise nope, Take Flight is on my Dual Wield bar for the increased damage, and it's the only DK skill/Ultimate in the entire game that hits for more than 10k in one go. Cough NBs. Cough Surprise Attack. Cough.

But I use Sword/Board & Dual Wield most of the time so I don't need any DK skills lol, Heavy Attack, Puncture, Bash, Heavy Attack, Heroic Slash, Bash, throw in a Reverberating Bash when they start healing and you can kill just about anyone, I refuse to use 2Her and spam Wrecking Blow like a monkey though. @Galalin I'm looking at you scrub!

Same, take flight on the dual wield bar (and igneous/vigor for the increased heals) and flawless dawnbreaker (or banner if required for keeps/IC) on the sword and board bar (which is my single target and recovery bar). I could actually find a place for molten armaments if it was a bit of a better skill due to the sword and board heavy attack/heroic slash/bash weave.

@Galalin must play off a decent ping as he never seems to miss a wrecking blow on me! Wrecking blow into dragon leap is GG.

Wrecking Blow is so slow and so easy to dodge, I rarely get killed by it, whenever I see a Stamblade using WB I face-keyboard then roll my face across the keyboard and go bang my head on a wall, you don't use Wrecking Blow over surprise attack... You just... Just stahp. Plz.

Xsorus · October 2015

I don't think people realize how bloody good surprise attack is compared to wrecking blow.. Esp vs a sorc

Yonkit · October 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

aco5712 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

You can stack stamina and weapon damage all you want, it will never come close to healing for 4K a tic like health recovery can. Esp with the healing debuff from battle spirit working against it. You could probably get a crap ton out of it if you stack heal received though. But yea.. Between blood craze, vigor, health recovery I'm sitting at basically 7,8k healing every 2 seconds...

As for what reduces it, I'm thinking maybe healing debuffs might.. I need to test and see which is doing it though.. Maybe poisons status effect? I'm going to see if I can run through some tests tomorrow on it see which damage type is reducing it.

@Xsorus poison decreases your health recovery

That's what people have said, which is odd, but it does give a reason to run poison I guess...

yeh well i mean all enchants need to proc something. Fire is for high burst dot. Poison for health rec. debuff. Disease for healing debuff. I think ice might be able to proc snare. I think i lightning might be able to proc damage debuff.

Thankfully most people aren't running poison now heheh, well cept for poison injection.

I also think people are underestimating weapon Enchants right now and powered trait

A lot of abilities you wouldn't think about actually use poison damage, Lethal Arrow and Poison Injection are two of the most common. Most DW group players I know have disease on one Sword and Poison on the other, couple of the World skills use it, and of course the skill we all know and love that doesn't use it but can proc it because ZoS. Trap Beast.