ESO Lack of riddles and puzzle solving

BlackguardBob · October 2015

A police office is interviewing a serious suspect for a major crime. The suspect has not been charged with anything.

The officer tells the suspect counting off his fingers in one hand:-

"... I have a witness that can blow away your alibi."

"... I have a witness that saw you running from the scene of the crime."

"... I have a witness that says they are willing to attend an ID parade and will confidently pick you out as the criminal."

".. I have a witness statement detailing your actions during the crime."

"... I have a witness who found the weapon you used in the commission of this crime."

How many witnesses does the officer have?

UrQuan · October 2015

ThePonzzz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Based on what I've seen in some places where there are super easy puzzles, I don't think the MMO crowd can handle actual puzzles and riddles.

You know that one puzzle in Khenarthi's Roost where you have to touch panels in the order of the phases of the moon? I've sat in that room watching people get the order wrong over and over and over and over... I mean, I learned the phases of the moon in elementary school, so I just don't get how there are people who can't figure that one out. Besides which, there's a cheat sheet in the room that actually tells you the order! And yet people still get stuck there...

Must have went to a private school, I know astronomy students in college that don't know the phases of the moon!

On topic, I do wish they had more puzzles in this game, but people would lose their mind.

Nope, public school. Perhaps the fact that it was here in Canada makes a difference? And please tell me you're exaggerating when you say you know college astronomy student who don't know the phases of the moon... Because if that's true it makes me really really sad for the state of the education system wherever you are.

UrQuan · October 2015

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Speaking of riddles and puzzles, what in the hell happened with the Lightless Oubliette prism room!?

Was about ready to just leave King Dynars crusty *** in there

@Caligamy_ESO a bug was introduced that causes extreme delays for the beam of light to show up when you rotate the crystal. As long as you know this, you can still complete the "puzzle" (it's really not much of a puzzle) easily. The best thing I found is to zoom out your view, and watch the crystal prism from overhead as you're rotating it. You'll see that the glow on one side will be larger - that's the side where the beam will be coming from, even if it hasn't shown up yet. If the side with the larger glow is towards where you want the beam to go, do not rotate the crystal again, just wait 30 seconds or so for the beam of light to show up.

Armitas · October 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

There's a one-story pink house with a pink door, pink windows with pink shutters and pink glass, there's a pink rug and pink tiles, pink walls, and pink roofing. The kitchen is pink with pink silver-ware and a pink fridge, the sink is pink and the stove is pink. The dish-washer is pink and the tables are pink with pink chairs. In the pink living room there's a pink couch with pink cushions and a few pink pillows, with a pink lamp that radiates pink light with a pink TV and a pink PC and a pink carpet, with a pink unicorn. There's a pink bookcase with pink books about pink things. In the pink bedrooms there's a couple pink beds with pink blankets and more pink pillows with pink stuffed-animals with pink eyes with pink fur and pink tails, even the people that live in the pink house are pink.

What color are the stairs?

@Yonkit The stairs to the basement are pink.

Armitas · October 2015

icontested wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

Is it just me or does ESO not have any challenging puzzle or riddles? I have not seen one that left me stumped.

Example :" I dream with no mind, yet I have memory. Within me I contain countless worlds and alternate realities, Yet I am small and flat.I bring great freedom through others control. What am I?"

What is a foot with no toes?

Probably another DK nerf. /cry (Ah foot)

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

Sounds like I'm dead before any reaper can get to me!

You are alive at midnight. (It's more of a paradox, but perhaps it has an answer, maybe potential infinities are illusions or maybe our understanding of them is incomplete)

lathbury · October 2015

icontested wrote: »

Rampeal wrote: »

Is it just me or does ESO not have any challenging puzzle or riddles? I have not seen one that left me stumped.

Example :" I dream with no mind, yet I have memory. Within me I contain countless worlds and alternate realities, Yet I am small and flat.I bring great freedom through others control. What am I?"

What is a foot with no toes?

30.48000cm

Darkstorne · October 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

I just like to run in and kill things. I don't really want to run in swords blazing, flame in one hand as Molag Bal reaches down, picks me up and says, "Riddle me this."

I think the depressing part of all this is that most developers agree with you, think the majority of gamers are like that, and so will only design content with you in mind. I don't see why we can't have some dungeons specifically themed around challenging puzzles, especially in an open world MMO.

How about an ancient ruin that (and this may sound blasphemous for an MMO) has NO ENEMIES inside at all. It's genuinely an ancient and abandoned ruin. Yet it's filled with puzzles, traps, and mazes, and although many rewards are in long lost treasure chests they could also reward us with new lore discoveries.

It's open world. Players who want combat only can just skip those dungeons.

hrothbern · October 2015

Rampeal wrote: »

Is it just me or does ESO not have any challenging puzzle or riddles? I have not seen one that left me stumped.

Example :" I dream with no mind, yet I have memory. Within me I contain countless worlds and alternate realities, Yet I am small and flat.I bring great freedom through others control. What am I?"

yeahhhhh.... I would love that

First game I played that had really nice puzzles and riddles was in 1991 Ultima Underworld, the Stygian Abyss.
.... BTW on a 386 they achieved the amazing feat to get really good first person 3D.

And it was full of puzzles and riddles.... and no googling to get dished up the answers

But, considering the MMO character of this game, I would not use them as a condition to finish Quests, but just have them as a kind of Easter Eggs, rewarded by nice loot !
... and of course the Achievement

Tandor · October 2015

I can live with or without puzzles and riddles, they're fun but not essential in a MMORPG.

What I cannot abide under any circumstances is platform jumping. I hate with a passion any quest or so-called "puzzle" that depends on maneuvering your character to the exact right spot on one platform facing the exact right direction (which changes when you step back to get a run in) with the exact right pressure on the mouse button or key to land safely on the next platform failing which you start over. If I wanted to play an action-arcade game I wouldn't be playing a MMORPG.

Slurg · October 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Speaking of riddles and puzzles, what in the hell happened with the Lightless Oubliette prism room!?

Was about ready to just leave King Dynars crusty *** in there

@Caligamy_ESO a bug was introduced that causes extreme delays for the beam of light to show up when you rotate the crystal. As long as you know this, you can still complete the "puzzle" (it's really not much of a puzzle) easily. The best thing I found is to zoom out your view, and watch the crystal prism from overhead as you're rotating it. You'll see that the glow on one side will be larger - that's the side where the beam will be coming from, even if it hasn't shown up yet. If the side with the larger glow is towards where you want the beam to go, do not rotate the crystal again, just wait 30 seconds or so for the beam of light to show up.

Bugs are why I really don't mind that the puzzles are easy. Chances are a bug will be introduced that makes it harder than intended. A year and a half after launch and this is a new one.

Remember the olden days when another player could come barging in and with one touch mess up the items that you had so carefully positioned in several of the puzzle quests?

AhPook_Is_Here · October 2015

Rampeal wrote: »

Is it just me or does ESO not have any challenging puzzle or riddles? I have not seen one that left me stumped.

Example :" I dream with no mind, yet I have memory. Within me I contain countless worlds and alternate realities, Yet I am small and flat.I bring great freedom through others control. What am I?"

book.

but hey, with multiple choice answers how smart do you have to be to figure anything out in this game?

justinbarrett · October 2015

you cannot think of this game as an elderscrolls game...you will just dissapoint yourself...instead think of it as a game that was slightly inspired by TES...you will not find the same calibre of puzzles no, but they do not have a good mechanism to give you that puzzle expierience in a online setting....there are a few puzzles that are hard as hell though...maybe 2 of them per faction and some things are not spelled out for you at all and are completely unclear...so..I will agree the puzzle/riddles system is bugged and broken, but not to a degree that the game is unplayable...just to a point to make thos things unenjoyable.

Ommamar · October 2015

justinbarrett wrote: »

you cannot think of this game as an elderscrolls game...you will just dissapoint yourself...instead think of it as a game that was slightly inspired by TES...you will not find the same calibre of puzzles no, but they do not have a good mechanism to give you that puzzle expierience in a online setting....there are a few puzzles that are hard as hell though...maybe 2 of them per faction and some things are not spelled out for you at all and are completely unclear...so..I will agree the puzzle/riddles system is bugged and broken, but not to a degree that the game is unplayable...just to a point to make thos things unenjoyable.

I have not seen good puzzles in TES games. Maybe Battle Spire but that was because the Imps kept hitting me when ever I tried to advance things.

Lightninvash · October 2015

riddle me this batman... if you aim to give us a shot we'll riddle you..... what am I?

Kuroinu · October 2015

Lightninvash wrote: »

riddle me this batman... if you aim to give us a shot we'll riddle you..... what am I?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d261chT8TG8

Asherons_Call · October 2015

The dumbing down of games has been progressing steadily for the past 15 years. All you need to do nowadays is follow the quest marker

UltimaJoe777 · October 2015

This game in general is super easy. The hardest parts of it are Group Dungeons and Trials and stuff but everything else is a breeze.

Rampeal · October 2015

Asherons_Call wrote: »

The dumbing down of games has been progressing steadily for the past 15 years. All you need to do nowadays is follow the quest marker

That is why Dark soul series have been a much needed breath of fresh air. Lots of Puzzles and very unforgiving.

Artheiron · October 2015

eso also lacks true open world, underwater exploration, housing, non hydrophobic, non disappearing horses.

CGPsaint · October 2015

I'm not a huge fan of the Tomb Raider games, however the puzzle aspect does throw a monkey wrench in the hum drum of otherwise mundane games. I'm not saying that I want some Da Vinci's Code level puzzles, but I'm all for using my brain to progress.

Soulshine · October 2015

Having survived puzzle insanity elsewhere and loved it.... I agree with OP

Kuroinu · October 2015

Useless McWantshelp: "Use your head to help me find a way open this door!"

Breaks-many-rocks: "Ok."

Breaks-many-rocks: "Aaaaaaarrrrgh!!"

*BOOM!*

Breaks-many-rocks:

Baraz · October 2015

Well, with all due respect to the game which has many qualities, it is worst than a lack of riddles: the quests lines have no real choices or diverging paths. The choices in red, which are supposed to have some possible impact, do not. Each race has a linear path.