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danny2096
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Hi, i just wanted to discuss how many people are saying Dk's are godlike and need to be nerfed and such and that there to hard to kill. well... if you ever go against a DK its hard to kill them, and they may spam that uppercut on you and a DOT, but in actual fact we have been nerfed to the point that anything going over a 2v2 is impossible.

Many people are saying we need to be nerfed because we are to hard to kill but if i say to a Night blade, a sorcerer, or a Templar to put on heavy Armour and throw all if not half of their points into health and maybe the other half into magicka or stamina then you tell me if you feel Tanky?

lets go onto the damage view of things and just a few moves to be exact... a templar has his spear which he can hit you with 5 hits eah with approx 1k damage per hit with all in magic and a few champion points into some magicka damage and then that hits the health hard if your not blocking and if not then the stamina for blocking with be drained and with that move only costing over 1.5k thats a hard hit to come back from if your on the oposing end with it doing so much damage and costing so little.

Then theres the sorcerers, they have crystal frags, now that move costs also little magicka nothing over 2.5k, and that hits for about 7-10k per hit which thy can spam and also has a knockdown ability so thats a double trouble attack right there nothing more to be said because other moves do so much damage as well, but if they had heavy armor they could be a tank and do a ton of damage and i cant even get started with Them spamming their shields!

now for best till last the Night blades, these guys can hit you for so much damage and then asoon as someone turns around they dissapear then they come back and dissapear etc... also they stun you as they hit then once again you go to hit them and they run again so they can do major damage then be gone in seconds which is ridiculous.

now if i say about the DK's abilities, they have no attack that does major damage, they have only 3 moves which can be classed as a ranged attack which does nothing and they hit like a feather, all the rest are melee moves, now dragon blood is a self heal but whilst being in Imperial city that gets halved so you only get 16% of missing health back so that's worse than a potion so there's no point in wasting magic on that then the dots which the damage is now halved so the only way a DK can kill people is with 2 handed or a staff which everyone has access to because the skills do no damage at all so whats the point, i use 4 skills out of the DK skill line and nothing more because its a waste and they still basically do nothing, so every class has an escape ability apart from healers because they can shoot out of battle but they can spam heals till kingdom come.

So this is basically the point that DK's are no longer even in battles, they no longer can heal themselves they can no longer do damage and now people are complaining that we have to much health and all that, 1 more thing, people complain about talons being over powered, in my case, they work only 20% of the time they can't be blocked but you can dodge roll, they have an 8x8 radius which is about 5 steps away so all this complaing about that is pointless, everyone else needs to be nerfed because we are a SHADOW OF OUR FORMER SELF!!!
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    Then we shall fight in the shadows. *Rerolls NB*
  • danny2096
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    I would if there was even a slight chance of me being able to do any damage to anyone
  • revonine
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    I'm actually a NB main and I agree with this thread Dk's could really use some love. Lava Whip needs a stamina morph and there needs to be class execute and a gap closer put in there somewhere. Every other class has at least two of these things (spammable DPS, execute and gap closer)
  • danny2096
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    yeah, we have chins and talons you can chain them to pull them to you or you to them, and then root them down but anytime after youve used chains and there running it will constantly bring you to them which is awful if there in a group
  • Alcast
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    DKs are totally fine, at least Stamina wise. Check out my video: (I guess same could be done with magicka DKs)

    https://youtu.be/2i4tpxOxFyM


    Tomorrow I will realese "Bullseye" #3 which is even more powerful, actually oneshoting *** vamp sorcs.
    Edited by Alcast on October 2, 2015 11:58PM
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  • danny2096
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    they are fine and just fine but man you can tell the difference in the damage and skills etc... from the last patch
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    *casts boundless storm and wrecking blow attacks all the whiney dks with his nerf bat*

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  • Yonkit
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    Alcast wrote: »
    DKs are totally fine, at least Stamina wise. Check out my video: (I guess same could be done with magicka DKs)

    https://youtu.be/2i4tpxOxFyM


    Tomorrow I will realese "Bullseye" #3 which is even more powerful, actually oneshoting *** vamp sorcs.

    No, the same couldn't be done with Magicka DKs... Stamina and Magicka DKs are on two completely different levels.
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  • Derra
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    revonine wrote: »
    I'm actually a NB main and I agree with this thread Dk's could really use some love. Lava Whip needs a stamina morph and there needs to be class execute and a gap closer put in there somewhere. Every other class has at least two of these things (spammable DPS, execute and gap closer)

    ._. only if you consider streak as a gapcloser for sorcs.
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  • revonine
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    Derra wrote: »
    revonine wrote: »
    I'm actually a NB main and I agree with this thread Dk's could really use some love. Lava Whip needs a stamina morph and there needs to be class execute and a gap closer put in there somewhere. Every other class has at least two of these things (spammable DPS, execute and gap closer)

    ._. only if you consider streak as a gapcloser for sorcs.

    I do. Granted it's not targeted. But it is an offensive ability and stuns. I guess it's not spammable though like other gap closers so you do have a point.
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    I still play mine the same one all the way back to release bbbuuuttt we could use some buffs already.
  • Alcast
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    Yonkit wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    DKs are totally fine, at least Stamina wise. Check out my video: (I guess same could be done with magicka DKs)

    https://youtu.be/2i4tpxOxFyM


    Tomorrow I will realese "Bullseye" #3 which is even more powerful, actually oneshoting *** vamp sorcs.

    No, the same couldn't be done with Magicka DKs... Stamina and Magicka DKs are on two completely different levels.

    Hm, I would test it but getting all the gear is shitloads of cash ><. Well maybe later
    Edited by Alcast on October 3, 2015 8:04AM
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  • Bashev
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    Alcast wrote: »
    DKs are totally fine, at least Stamina wise. Check out my video: (I guess same could be done with magicka DKs)

    https://youtu.be/2i4tpxOxFyM


    Tomorrow I will realese "Bullseye" #3 which is even more powerful, actually oneshoting *** vamp sorcs.
    Fine? You play with a bow at range. DK class was designed for mele and close combat. Also nobody said that stamina DK is really bad although the class is lucking stamina burst class skills.

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  • NinjaApacHe
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    Well he plays very well with a bow. No class was designed for something particular, learn this or you got confused. This is ESO not WoW or wannabe. Every class can be everything.
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    DK were gods among the living and now people complain that they have lost their immortal powers...
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  • Derra
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    revonine wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    revonine wrote: »
    I'm actually a NB main and I agree with this thread Dk's could really use some love. Lava Whip needs a stamina morph and there needs to be class execute and a gap closer put in there somewhere. Every other class has at least two of these things (spammable DPS, execute and gap closer)

    ._. only if you consider streak as a gapcloser for sorcs.

    I do. Granted it's not targeted. But it is an offensive ability and stuns. I guess it's not spammable though like other gap closers so you do have a point.

    I think the main issue with using streak as a gapcloser is it´s fixed range.

    Also every other gapcloser has the benefit of rooting the target in place and silencing them for the duration of the animation.
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  • Bashev
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    Well he plays very well with a bow. No class was designed for something particular, learn this or you got confused. This is ESO not WoW or wannabe. Every class can be everything.
    And how can you play as a mele without mobility skills when all active defensive mechanics are nerfed? At Alcast video you can see randoms fighting each other. If he doesnt play at range he will be surrounded and killed easily. Thats is what happens. Thats is why templars and DKs share the same issues cause both classes luck in mobility and for both classes the defensive skills which were useful in mele do not exist anymore - cinder storm miss chance and blinding flashes for templars.
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    buff pls
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  • Alcast
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    Well I just saw a Light armor DK wrecking stuff apart....I guess its a L2P issue /hateinc
    Edited by Alcast on October 3, 2015 11:17AM
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  • Ganj
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    Hah.. Before the last patch everyone could play DK. Now things are changed but it doesnt mean DK in bad position as a class. There are really skilled DKs playing really good.
  • Darnathian
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    Sotha_Sil wrote: »
    DK were gods among the living and now people complain that they have lost their immortal powers...

    Love these inciteful posts. They were OP. They were destroyed during 1.6. Then got even more REKT. Go outside and play little SORC or NB.
  • danny2096
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    The thing is us DK's get nerfed anytime some little noob goes along and says "DK's are to tanky. I can't kill them they need to be nerfed" this is a comment that gets seen everywhere also that I've seen everywhere then zenixmax then goes oh these guys are to tanky we need to nerf them. And as I say to everyone. Throw all your points Into health and wear heavy armour and tell me if you think your tanky
  • Darnathian
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    Derra wrote: »
    revonine wrote: »
    Derra wrote: »
    revonine wrote: »
    I'm actually a NB main and I agree with this thread Dk's could really use some love. Lava Whip needs a stamina morph and there needs to be class execute and a gap closer put in there somewhere. Every other class has at least two of these things (spammable DPS, execute and gap closer)

    ._. only if you consider streak as a gapcloser for sorcs.

    I do. Granted it's not targeted. But it is an offensive ability and stuns. I guess it's not spammable though like other gap closers so you do have a point.

    I think the main issue with using streak as a gapcloser is it´s fixed range.

    Also every other gapcloser has the benefit of rooting the target in place and silencing them for the duration of the animation.

    I see your point. Since it sucks ZOS lets go ahead and trade chains for streak. Make it a dragon zooming by. Since sorc's don't like it
  • Darnathian
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    Alcast wrote: »
    Well I just saw a Light armor DK wrecking stuff apart....I guess its a L2P issue /hateinc]

    no hate for trolls. Maybe he has 500 cp's? Derp
    Edited by Darnathian on October 3, 2015 11:36AM
  • Mumyo
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    DK's are fine,!
    U just didnt realise yet that templar also lost lots of their tankiness since many defensive things are gone.

    The biggest issue i see in the sorcs which are way too easy to play and incredible strong.
    They make every class look like suckers atm and thats why so many cry.
    Edited by Mumyo on October 3, 2015 6:38PM
  • danny2096
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    Yeah but, sorcs have high dps, the nightblades now have to land 4 consecutive attacks and then hit with some almighty damage, templar have puncturing sweeps which is high dps and also heal, so DK's have no out of the situation jump away zoom away skill, we have to fight and hope for the best
  • Mumyo
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    danny2096 wrote: »
    Yeah but, sorcs have high dps, the nightblades now have to land 4 consecutive attacks and then hit with some almighty damage, templar have puncturing sweeps which is high dps and also heal, so DK's have no out of the situation jump away zoom away skill, we have to fight and hope for the best

    So does Templar or u go vampire and get an acceptable escape.
    BTW u got even better dps on ur DK....... u should inform urself about ur class before u cry, this arguments here make me sick. On stam dk u got by far the best stamheal possibilities ingame and on magicka u are the tankiest beast out there. DK has the most possibilities to be played atm and that makes it a super awesome class because so many builds work out so well.
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    Mumyo wrote: »
    danny2096 wrote: »
    Yeah but, sorcs have high dps, the nightblades now have to land 4 consecutive attacks and then hit with some almighty damage, templar have puncturing sweeps which is high dps and also heal, so DK's have no out of the situation jump away zoom away skill, we have to fight and hope for the best

    So does Templar or u go vampire and get an acceptable escape.
    BTW u got even better dps on ur DK....... u should inform urself about ur class before u cry, this arguments here make me sick. On stam dk u got by far the best stamheal possibilities ingame and on magicka u are the tankiest beast out there. DK has the most possibilities to be played atm and that makes it a super awesome class because so many builds work out so well.

    Ok what DK abilities are you talking aboit that are so powerful when you say we have even more dps? Not speaking about ultimates either. Please also inform me what are these best stam heal possibilities in game possessed by DK's. What DK abilities make the such great magicka tanks. Maybe you need to reinform yourself or would you like some help with that?

    DK SCRUB OUT
    Edited by Galalin on October 4, 2015 12:23AM
  • Galalin
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    Bashev wrote: »
    Alcast wrote: »
    DKs are totally fine, at least Stamina wise. Check out my video: (I guess same could be done with magicka DKs)

    https://youtu.be/2i4tpxOxFyM


    Tomorrow I will realese "Bullseye" #3 which is even more powerful, actually oneshoting *** vamp sorcs.
    Fine? You play with a bow at range. DK class was designed for mele and close combat. Also nobody said that stamina DK is really bad although the class is lucking stamina burst class skills.

    This is a perfect example of how DK'S have been reduced to bowtards and WB spammers such as myself.

    DK SCRUB OUT
  • xylena
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    This is a perfect example of how DK'S have been reduced to bowtards and WB spammers such as myself

    yep, i'm guilty of the wrecking blow too, and it's the same way stamblades have been reduced to surprise attack spam... no need to bother with rotations or combos when you can faceroll one direct dps move and actually be more effective
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