How do you guys feel about the healing nerf in pvp?

Infinite12 · September 2015

Just curious what everyone thinks about these healing nerfs that have come up with the Imperial City update.

Gunphu · September 2015

Doesn't matter

Without the nerf i feel fights would truly be endless. But I would prefer them to reduce the healing and damage reduction from battle spirit just a little, maybe 10%.

Then reduce battle leveling stats a little aswell. I'd rather fight a VR16 than anyone below VR14 and i have no desire to level my STA sorc any higher or i would have to grind a ton for gear to be as effective as i am at sub VR14.

Infinite12 · September 2015

Hate it

I just think they nerfed the healing too much. Someone who isn't spec'd for healing or doesn't have a [snip] ton of champion points is screwed. And I think they need to get rid of battle leveling for non vets in vet campaigns. Non vets shouldn't be allowed in vet campaigns IMO.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Chelo · September 2015

Like it

Healing is ridiculously broken in this game... Dots are never going to be viable in pvp because people can burst heal themselfs with almost spending any magicka (or stamina), the only way to kill people in the game is with huge burst dmg. I've been playing MMOs since 2003 and this is the first one with this healing mechanic...

I think the burst heal mechanic was intended for pve because almost every boss can 1 shot people at end game, but when it comes to pvp, Devs didnt knew how to balance it, so they just leave it like that...

Infinite12 · October 2015

Hate it

@Chelo but now unless you have a million champion points you're screwed. The healing is terrible.

Forestd16b14_ESO · October 2015

Healing got nerfed ? Still seeing pleanty of players able to insta heal to max health.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2015

Hate it

This update killed my Blood Craze the Dot/Hot combo was good before now the heal is less then my damn health regeneration that's sad. They need to review powers that heal and do damage cause unless you have 20% damage buff from them that power or an 11% healing buff it's a waste.

MrGrimey · October 2015

Damage is already too low... Imo healing needs to be nerfed more or buff damage

Flameheart · October 2015

Hate it

I just avoid to go there, enough said.

contact.opiumb16_ESO · October 2015

Doesn't matter

battle spirit is good as it is

Jumper45 · October 2015

Hate it

Chelo wrote: »

Healing is ridiculously broken in this game... Dots are never going to be viable in pvp because people can burst heal themselfs with almost spending any magicka (or stamina), the only way to kill people in the game is with huge burst dmg. I've been playing MMOs since 2003 and this is the first one with this healing mechanic...

I think the burst heal mechanic was intended for pve because almost every boss can 1 shot people at end game, but when it comes to pvp, Devs didnt knew how to balance it, so they just leave it like that...

Everquest, EQ2, World of Warcraft, DAOC, Warhammer Online, Anarchy Online etc etc down the list all had this. Exactly what MMOs were you playing? You realize the very essence of a healer in pvp is to do exactly what you are saying they shouldnt. There would be no point whatsoever to heal in pvp if that wasnt the case. If you want to take down a healer i suggest you use CC not raw damage. CC Kills healers not so much doing damage unless the healer is so poorly played they cannot survive a 1v1 fight. I am also going to point out to you the fact healers should be able to survive a 2v1 fight just healing sometimes 3v1. The point of that is the healer isnt doing any damage to you. Thus its a no harm no foul in your situation. If the healer cannot heal vs that many targets then there is no point in healing because most pvp fights are multi target. If you cannot heal that much or multi target then everyone will just die but the healer himself ( Pointless ).

Also yes healing took just as much a hit in the nerf as dps did. Read the Battle Spirit Tooltip.

smassareub17_ESO · October 2015

Hate it

I don't know why they nerfed the only thing that templars can do and that is heal? Devs said they wanted to stop the quick- one shot- bang- fight over before it got started in PVP...so why nerf heals?? That is one way to make sure that the fights last and OP skills aren't the rule of the day in Cyrodiil. No one gets killed or rooted or feared by heals!!

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2015

Hate it

Jumper45 wrote: »

Everquest, EQ2, World of Warcraft, DAOC, Warhammer Online, Anarchy Online etc etc down the list all had this. Exactly what MMOs were you playing? You realize the very essence of a healer in pvp is to do exactly what you are saying they shouldnt. There would be no point whatsoever to heal in pvp if that wasnt the case. If you want to take down a healer i suggest you use CC not raw damage. CC Kills healers not so much doing damage unless the healer is so poorly played they cannot survive a 1v1 fight. I am also going to point out to you the fact healers should be able to survive a 2v1 fight just healing sometimes 3v1. The point of that is the healer isnt doing any damage to you. Thus its a no harm no foul in your situation. If the healer cannot heal vs that many targets then there is no point in healing because most pvp fights are multi target. If you cannot heal that much or multi target then everyone will just die but the healer himself ( Pointless ).

Also yes healing took just as much a hit in the nerf as dps did. Read the Battle Spirit Tooltip.

Using CP. and healing passives it's pretty easy to counter the healing debuff. Then running Healers Habit or Twilight you can heal near or pass the 50% debuff. Unless max magic and spell damage are not healers focus anymore they can DPS on one bar and heal with the other or mix in attacks

I can buff my damage 60%+ to debuff is 50% really not much of a bandaid as I only have 300 cp so people with 600 cp must be laughing at this debuff.

willymchilybily · October 2015

fights need to be able to last longer than the burst of damage you could achieve in 1.6. reducing damage needed to be offset so classes that could heal and shield were not out of balance with the rest of the classes

the whole aim was to increase TTK like many people were wanting, and this was definately necessary for making IC PVP stone stealing viable.

Do i like it. not really i cant get a good heal on my self, but neither can others. Do i want it changed back? no i'd rather have more time to react to a fight and being in combat than have better healing. you cant heal at all if dead.

its the best of a bad situation. The main downside isnt healing but damage for certiain classes, Like a DK who mostly relies on DOTs and CC, with a few damage moves outside of dots it is not easy to burst down an enemy relying entirely on ultimate and skills outside of the class skills (except whip). this change has shifted balance slightly because TTK and certain moves and skills are now less viable.

TL;DR it is not quite fully balanced in my opinion, but it is as good as it can get without months of extensive testing.

Infinite12 · October 2015

Hate it

@willymchilybily how does nerfing damage AND healing make fights last longer? If they wanted TTK higher then you need to leave healing alone and nerf damage. The way they did it makes no sense.

MudcrabsRus · October 2015

Hate it

In my opinion fights are over quicker now than before IC nerf.....

MudcrabsRus · October 2015

Hate it

I also feel they should have just left it the *** alone, why change the game mechanics to suit the small 10% of pvp'rs who can't play the game right?

It was Fine the way it was, small changes needed here and their but the straight up 50% nerf to everything.... Jokers.

Clowns, hate welcome.

Malanor · October 2015

Hate it

the fact that heals and shields was nerfed by 50% when damage was reduced by 20- 30 % makes me so mad.

MudcrabsRus · October 2015

Hate it

Malanor wrote: »

the fact that heals and shields was nerfed by 50% when damage was reduced by 20- 30 % makes me so mad.

I don't see any NBs complaining about IC.... Funny that isn't it

coolermh · October 2015

Like it

I think the problem is heal stacking per unit time. Healing is ok with 1 person but group healing is to effective. I DO NOT think heals should be nerfed but rather the aoe heals should nerfed.

essentially if you have 3 templars all spamming breath in a group they are unkillable without cc... this should not happen.

my opinion anyway

Infinite12 · October 2015

Hate it

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

Malanor wrote: »

the fact that heals and shields was nerfed by 50% when damage was reduced by 20- 30 % makes me so mad.

I don't see any NBs complaining about IC.... Funny that isn't it

Why would they? I honestly don't have a problem with nightblades. I have a v16 dragonknight and a v6 nightblade and honestly, nightblades are pretty balanced, I think. Dragonknights got the shaft big time with the blocking nerf.

Malanor · October 2015

Hate it

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

I don't see any NBs complaining about IC.... Funny that isn't it

When the cloak will be nerfed at least the asme way as bolt escape or roll dodge there will be party on my neighborhood.

eliisra · October 2015

Hate it

For players with less CP, this means you have to keep redistribute your points several times a week, to be effective in both PvP and PvE.

It's not only expensive, but also a lot of painful clicking involved.

In PvE you need max dmg from Mage signs mainly, Elemental Resist from Warrior.

But in PvP after the heal nerf, you need a lot of points in Quick Recovery and also Blessed(as healer).

MudcrabsRus · October 2015

Hate it

Infinite12 wrote: »

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

Malanor wrote: »

the fact that heals and shields was nerfed by 50% when damage was reduced by 20- 30 % makes me so mad.

I don't see any NBs complaining about IC.... Funny that isn't it

Why would they? I honestly don't have a problem with nightblades. I have a v16 dragonknight and a v6 nightblade and honestly, nightblades are pretty balanced, I think. Dragonknights got the shaft big time with the blocking nerf.

I know, why would they? I'm agreeing that NBs where fine with the nerfs as it barely affected them and this update actually made them much more powerful since pretty much everyone's build has been tampered with and stood on except the amazing (cowardly) NB hidden cloak race.

Emma_Overload · October 2015

Hate it

I think they should have just nerfed damage and left healing alone. Healing was already too weak in this game, now it's just laughably bad.

Jumper45 · October 2015

Hate it

coolermh wrote: »

I think the problem is heal stacking per unit time. Healing is ok with 1 person but group healing is to effective. I DO NOT think heals should be nerfed but rather the aoe heals should nerfed.

essentially if you have 3 templars all spamming breath in a group they are unkillable without cc... this should not happen.

my opinion anyway

Key Word CC.... Thats what kills healers. Not DPS. Adapt to the situation

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2015

Hate it

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

Malanor wrote: »

the fact that heals and shields was nerfed by 50% when damage was reduced by 20- 30 % makes me so mad.

I don't see any NBs complaining about IC.... Funny that isn't it

Why would they? I honestly don't have a problem with nightblades. I have a v16 dragonknight and a v6 nightblade and honestly, nightblades are pretty balanced, I think. Dragonknights got the shaft big time with the blocking nerf.

I know, why would they? I'm agreeing that NBs where fine with the nerfs as it barely affected them and this update actually made them much more powerful since pretty much everyone's build has been tampered with and stood on except the amazing (cowardly) NB hidden cloak race.

Yea I don't have good heals unless I ran 2handed and vigor anyway so yea learned to play the game without much healing, cloak is a class defense play without your class heals and shield, no then shut up. Don't cry because the burst damage class is still doing burst damage after a damage nerf.

So you don't like fighting stealth Assassins in close quarters. What did you think would happen with so many places to hide.

Bhakura · October 2015

thanks for killing my resolve, made a templar intended to be pvp healer, then i read this ... @#$%!ole

AfkNinja · October 2015

Doesn't matter

Bhakura wrote: »

thanks for killing my resolve, made a templar intended to be pvp healer, then i read this ... @#$%!ole

Templar's are still the best healers and with the right gear you will be able to keep groups alive quite well. Don't let the doom and gloom get you down. Just try it for yourself.

Strider_Roshin · October 2015

Don't care for the options. I believe it's too harsh but I think the damage nerf is too harsh as well. I wouldn't adjust one without adjusting the other, but I feel that both nerfs were too harsh.

Xsorus · October 2015

coolermh wrote: »

I think the problem is heal stacking per unit time. Healing is ok with 1 person but group healing is to effective. I DO NOT think heals should be nerfed but rather the aoe heals should nerfed.

essentially if you have 3 templars all spamming breath in a group they are unkillable without cc... this should not happen.

my opinion anyway

Umm, killing a group with 3 healers should require cc...

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