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Nerf/Fix Wrecking Blow / Fix CC Immunity!
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭why complain about wrecking blow spam...
everyone uses 1 main skill lol theres a lot
jabs, sweep, surprise attack, crushing shock, steel tornado, flying blade, whipEdited by Nifty2g on September 8, 2015 1:25AM#MOREORBS2 -
Huggalump✭✭✭✭CrowsDescend wrote: »
You didn't block because you wanted to save a little bit of stamina to use a lot of stamina for break free from the wrecking blow which the block would have prevented?0 -
cazlonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭willymchilybily wrote: »its a shame that so much of this thread detracts from the point I'm just glad @Sharee summarized it perfectly within the first page. forums are a lot like google no one looks past page 1.
would be nice to get some input from ZOS that they are aware there are some issue and kinks to be worked out around CC immunity.
CC immunity has always been inconsistent and unreliable. With the IC it just seems to bug out more often than before.
There have been plenty of bug reports and forum threads about this before, so ZOS are aware. Or should be, anyway.1 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Some of the salt in this thread is so unnecessary.
So many people telling OP to L2P. Why? The issue is about CC immunity, not his reaction to Wrecking Blow spam. All of you who advocate "skill" are really succeeding at showing the youth of your minds.
No one ever pulled himself atop by pushing other people down. Does telling somebody he could have "just done that" make you feel better? "ermagurdddd I'm so skilled you so noob". Try reading, I don't know... the first page? Or adding something constructive instead! Just a little advice, for forums, for life....
Anyways, I also figured I could reliably do 2 knock backs in a row before immunity sets in with Magnum shot. Maybe it's because I got the timing right for twice in a row and after I get sloppy, or maybe this is as intended. There's probably a connection there. It is definitely a matter of finding a "sweet spot" in terms of timing. tested consistently in PvE, works sometimes in PvP.
I remember doing something similar sometimes with shielded assault...when I use to frequent cyrodiil weeks ago.
I put it down to an occasional bug.
So its probably best to look at the timing of all such skills.Edited by Rune_Relic on September 8, 2015 10:15PMAnything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭why complain about wrecking blow spam...
everyone uses 1 main skill lol theres a lot
jabs, sweep, surprise attack, crushing shock, steel tornado, flying blade, whip
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And yet some players literally spam 1 skill, some use at least 4-10. I use all my abilities through a fight, while one would use WB over and over and over again, nothing else, just WB.Edited by Molag_Crow on October 1, 2015 2:16AM--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭CrowsDescend wrote: »
You didn't block because you wanted to save a little bit of stamina to use a lot of stamina for break free from the wrecking blow which the block would have prevented?
I mostly always block wrecking blows and I did block a few, but as you can see in the video, I chose healing over blocking since I was low health. It doesn't really matter what I did in the first video anyway, CC immunity is/was broken and that is the point I was making.
Edited by Molag_Crow on October 1, 2015 2:17AM--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Just spam biting jabs, that knock back gets me over and over making it hard to get WB off.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
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Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just spam biting jabs, that knock back gets me over and over making it hard to get WB off.
That doesn't always work because by the time the channel is done, the WB has already hit so you can't exactly block it without messing up the channel on Jab/Sweep. It's a joke.--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭Any chance you're going to fix this broken skill Zenimax?If you can be anything, be kind.2 -
NoMoreChillies✭✭✭✭✭
✭Is all PVP like this? what a joke. Zero skill.
Glad i do not play PVP.Insulting people on the internet is cowardly.3 -
Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rev Rielle wrote: »Any chance you're going to fix this broken skill Zenimax?
Good question.. it's still going on even in Imperial City. I try to avoid them like the plague now though, as I do stun them when I get the chance, but you know how dodgy that can go at times...--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bump. Edited and added another video to the OP.--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Robo_Hobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭It looks silly seeing them use the same skill over and over again, even when they're far away from you.
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Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Edit: Updated OP with a small, personal summary.--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Conquers✭✭✭✭Imo i do spam WB in pvp, but with that 20% buff why the hell would i not? but once someone is under 50% the attacker sucks if he still uses WB, execute is better then, he was using WB when you had 5% so you had a chance to heal. an easy fix is to change it to "next attack other than WB is increased by 20%" then we would be forced to use other moves to maximize damage. i actually dislike using WB over and over but if you use 2hander, then what else is there?
usually in a pvp setting i go
Rally, WB, WB, switch to bow, poison arrow, Dragon Blood, DB, DB, switch, WB, WB, Execute. add crit charge if person is dumb enough to run away.
i would actually like if skill was added to two handers, rather than spam spam spam.
btw, a counter that constantly makes me screw up, walk through me. I cant turn around fast enough to get WB off and i waste 1.1 seconds to charge again.VR 16 Orc Stamina Dragonknight
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Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Imo i do spam WB in pvp, but with that 20% buff why the hell would i not? but once someone is under 50% the attacker sucks if he still uses WB, execute is better then, he was using WB when you had 5% so you had a chance to heal. an easy fix is to change it to "next attack other than WB is increased by 20%" then we would be forced to use other moves to maximize damage. i actually dislike using WB over and over but if you use 2hander, then what else is there?
usually in a pvp setting i go
Rally, WB, WB, switch to bow, poison arrow, Dragon Blood, DB, DB, switch, WB, WB, Execute. add crit charge if person is dumb enough to run away.
i would actually like if skill was added to two handers, rather than spam spam spam.
btw, a counter that constantly makes me screw up, walk through me. I cant turn around fast enough to get WB off and i waste 1.1 seconds to charge again.
Yeah I understand what you mean and I weren't aware of the damage increase buff, so like you said... if they did make it so that it increased the damage of your next attack other than WV, then that would slightly help but yeah you're right, it would be better to walk -into- the WB spammer rather than away, like I was doing.
There does need to be more creativity and more viable abilities for you Stamina users who feel the need to use WB as a main attack all the time, definitely... maybe they'll figure something out, someday.--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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rordogg✭✭✭While I agree that was a wrecking blow spammer at its finest, you really didn't even try to move out of the way or prevent it from happening.0 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think WB spam is actually worse for Templars, since they typically need to use Puncturing Strikes as their main DPS ( and to mimic the WB users "What else is there if you are a Templar?") which requires keeping the enemy front and centre, which is naturally not good against WB.
Templars just can't easily walk through the enemy players then turn around with a quick instant DPS ability. They simply don't exist.Edited by danno8 on October 1, 2015 4:17AM0 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭CrowsDescend wrote: »Hello. I made a Wrecking Blow topic ages ago and basically complained about how it is spammable and CC immunity sometimes doesn't free you from its constant knockdown, so I came back.. with a video. but first....
Please Note: I do not intend on naming and shaming the player(s,) as it is not exactly the fault of the player if they're allowed to continuously spam the same hard-hitting, CC-ing ability. I also know that I got wrecked by a lower level (who is scaled up to v14 in PvP, but still) and before the "L2P" replies, I am a Magicka Templar, I didn't have enough Stamina to keep breaking out/dodge rolling away (especially in the first video,) I'm in 5 light 2 heavy, I have champion points in Break free/dodge roll and the FIRST video is from before the IC patch, purely to show CC immunity not working (though it seems to be working a little better in IC when 1v1) -- The SECOND video is from inside Imperial City, live.
Edit: Old, irrelevant video due to IC update, though WB still remains the same.I'm wondering why Wrecking Blow's knockback doesn't have much diminishing returns at all, why is it so quick of a move to get off and laggy, and why CC immunity isn't always protecting one at the right time, as you can see in the first short video. (Though it's an old one) The player is able to do a total of 16 Wrecking Blows.Edit: It's still a Plague in Imperial City, although this fight was decent, it is quite a shame to find that players have to resort to literally bashing 1 skill over and over for a kill, and Jab/Sweep isn't that bad in comparison due to it being a slightly long channel which can be interrupted BY wrecking blow before the last jab gets off to knock the target back.
Edit: I was in my 'PvE-ish build at the time, so I didn't have on Radiant Ward, not like that'll make much difference these days anyway.
Summary (In my opinion)
So on a fundamental level, I see that Wrecking Blow is flawed. It's quite an abusive ability because of its damage, speed and knockdown combined. If I was to make this ability fair, I'd reduce the damage on the thing or give its knockdown a cooldown so that it won't apply on every swing, or at least make the knockdown effect a chance instead of guaranteed.
Animation canceling and macros make this skill OP as demonstrated in video 2. Add critical charge for a guaranteed crit and its ***.
And before the L2P jump in. No matter how many times you dodge roll and LOS these wrecking blow spammers are still able to mysteriously hit on demand by macroing or button mashing.Edited by LegacyDM on October 1, 2015 4:22AMLegacy of Kain
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Sausage✭✭✭✭✭
✭All you need to do is to dodge behind them or simply move. To fight against Wrecking Blow takes a bit of practice but its easy as hell. I still think whats stupid even now, is how heavy armor tanks just blocks everything, you burn all your stamina and magicka into them and they just stand there. Maybe we should be able to interrupt blocking.Edited by Sausage on October 1, 2015 4:40AM0 -
riverdragon72✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Eunjung wrote: »The problem we need to be discussing is this:
WHY is the OP getting CC'd repeatedly before his CC immunity timer is up?
That shouldn't even be possible!
Because, since launch........
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Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think WB spam is actually worse for Templars, since they typically need to use Puncturing Strikes as their main DPS ( and to mimic the WB users "What else is there if you are a Templar?") which requires keeping the enemy front and centre, which is naturally not good against WB.
Templars just can't easily walk through the enemy players then turn around with a quick instant DPS ability. They simply don't exist.
Very valid point. I have tried walking through WB spammers and losing DPS due to having to turn my cone-shaped-main damage ability around back at them, for them to usually simply beat me to it since while they're turning around to counter my turn, they've already got a WB off while my channeled jabs/sweep is just about getting to its last hit to knockback.
Must just be a Templar problem vs WB, like you said. I haven't really played any other classes yet, to be honest. I've been a Templar ever since I started (9th of June, this year)--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As a wb user and in its defense it doesn't hit if you just move back a few steps and its got a one sec cast time not the fastest skill out there nor does it self buff the dmg buff only applies to any skill or attack other than wb so animation cancel light attack wb works nice but I miss wb hits all the time from snares and players moving back just out of range.now I could wb then crit rush you before landing then wb you and repeat or wb crit rush and executioner you and make you say wtf rage quit. But in your videos your nowhere remotely as mobile as most of my pvp opponents. Shield stacks heals or not you should never put yourself in a tight confine with a two hander your just asking to be wb spammed.0 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't know what you mean - it doesn't get spammed at all
I just want to say, to those people who are like "Hurrr roll dodge or block". Yeah, blocking won't help you much and roll dodging is expensive when you're getting spammed with wrecking blow. As seen in the OPs video, you will soon run out of stamina, making you a free target for this ridiculous ability. Even as a 2h stam character I find it stupid.Edited by Alucardo on October 1, 2015 9:00AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »If they nerf WB. DK's are going to suck even more.
My DK has been just fine without the use of WB. I'd love a stam lava whip, but I wouldn't give a crap if they nerfed WB into Wrecking Noodle.2
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