Sorcs superior shield buffs

RatedChaotic · September 2015

Every class/build has a weakness..Find it, use it, marvel in your awesomeness.

Alucardo · September 2015

I think the solution is simple. Sell Shieldbreaker set at merchants for 250 gold.

You're welcome.

Master_Kas · September 2015

k2blader wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

I noticed that a while ago also. There are quite a few NBs biased like that though maybe not all as vocal.

Sorcs have been nerfed considerably-- in all areas people wanted them nerfed-- yet people are still crying? These types also seem to totally overlook/ignore the fact that certain builds, certain gear, and certain amounts of CPs can make quite the difference in 1v1s (which is what I can only guess they're whinging about and isn't what ESO PvP is about). They also seem in denial that skill can and does come into play regardless of class.

It's actually pretty funny because time and time again, even on their whinge threads, sorc players tell them how to beat us, yet it goes in one ear and out the other, and next you know it they're already on to another nerf sorc campaign.

At any rate, it is as you said. They won't be happy til sorcs are free kills. Til then I dunno what else to do except view them as baddies, because that's what they are.

Same can go for all players crying about cloak, some people know how to counter it well, some don't want to use/slot any counters and whine

And I don't want sorcerers to be free kills, as I play my sorcerer alot. Thats more than most of these forumsorcs can say who never play nightblade

mrdankles · September 2015

Shields only absorb 50% of what they can in pvp...

Master_Kas · September 2015

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

Lol I play my sorc most after my nightblade. Keep trying to avoid the subject. My hardened ward is 9.7k in cyrodiil with subpar gear and no undaunted passives nor v15 food.

Just a sorcerer defending his class

Kas you should try only using hardened ward on your sorc, it's liberating. Replace harness with mines and healing ward with blessing of restoration. Wear 2 pieces of heavy armour and keep boundless storm up all the time. 22k spell res and 17k physical res. I believe those resistances put me on par with a 7 medium wearer. So I take similar damage to a stam NB now I think. But I still can't cloak or roll like a Stam NB can, so I argue that my 9.8k hardened ward is my substitute for cloak and roll. This seems fair to me. What say you?

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor

Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

MaxwellC · September 2015

My fellow DKs do not fret as @ZOS_GinaBruno has stated that she will bring the DK needed buffs that @Jules (a awesome person) to the dev team!

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for providing your feedback, and to @Jules for a well-written list of concerns and proposed solutions; we’ve passed this thread along to the Dev team to review. In general, we will be focusing on fixing outstanding ability bugs in the next major update, in addition to supporting some new systems. Larger balance and ability improvements for Dragonknights and the other classes are planned for early next year.

leepalmer95 · September 2015

I read ' I have never plsyed a SORC alt '

I main a dk, never had any problems with a sorc ever.

Slot 1 gap closer and a sorc is done for, it really isn't hard.

I'm not sure why people struggle so much with sorc. This whole shield stacking thing that bad players seem to cry about is even worse.

Brrrofski · September 2015

Anyone can stack shields.

Sorcs have one class shield. They have a now useless self heal in Dark Conversion.

Same as DKs. They also have a self heal (which has been nerfed too)

Same as Templars. Heals galore.

There are other shields anyone can stack. Light armor tree, resto tree, undaunted tree.

I have a vet 16 Dk tank and a vet 15 sorc. I have just as much trouble taking one or the other out depending which one I'm on.

But as a DK, if you're running two handed, combine wrecking blow and talons, using them at the right times, you can take sorcs out quite easilly. On my sorc, once my magica is out, I'm dead. In one on one fights, sustain is the way to beat them.

Valrien · September 2015

Right, so a Sorcerer shouldn't use his Bolt Escape to Escape, he shouldn't use his Mines as mines, and he shouldn't use his Ward as a ward. Understood.

Makkir · September 2015

Basically this and every other sorc QQ thread means "My opponent wont sit still like a target dummy and let me kill him so nerf shields/streak/frags/etc"

FriedEggSandwich · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

Lol I play my sorc most after my nightblade. Keep trying to avoid the subject. My hardened ward is 9.7k in cyrodiil with subpar gear and no undaunted passives nor v15 food.

Just a sorcerer defending his class

Kas you should try only using hardened ward on your sorc, it's liberating. Replace harness with mines and healing ward with blessing of restoration. Wear 2 pieces of heavy armour and keep boundless storm up all the time. 22k spell res and 17k physical res. I believe those resistances put me on par with a 7 medium wearer. So I take similar damage to a stam NB now I think. But I still can't cloak or roll like a Stam NB can, so I argue that my 9.8k hardened ward is my substitute for cloak and roll. This seems fair to me. What say you?

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

But if you're stunned and out of stamina (oos), unable to cc break but with your 10k ward up, and your opponent struggles to do over 10k damage to you in those 4-5 seconds you're stunned for, then they are either not a dps spec or they can't play.

I have 19k hp and when stunned and oos but with a 10k shield up it's not really any different to me being stunned and oos with 29k hp and no ward. OK the ward can't be crit, but it also can't mitigate any damage. Skills hit wards for their tooltip value, or at least they would if tooltips were accurate in pvp.

Another issue I see with that scenario is that if you are oos as a sorc and get feared or fossilised and can't break out, then you receive no immunity when the cc ends and can just be cc'd again immediately.

Someone struggling to kill a sorc who is oos does indeed need to l2p and zos should not be catering to these people. This isn't aimed at you because I'm sure that you as a stam nb have no issues dealing with one ward if that sorc is oos.

LameoveR · September 2015

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Caligamy_ESO · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

When was the last time you tried this?

I went in about a week ago and my ward was at 30% of what it is in PvE.

Outside I have a 12k shield, inside Cyro 4k

Master_Kas · September 2015

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

When was the last time you tried this?

I went in about a week ago and my ward was at 30% of what it is in PvE.

Outside I have a 12k shield, inside Cyro 4k

Yesterday when I played my sorcerer. In cyrodiil. Can make a video or post pictures if that's nessecary for you to believe.

FriedEggSandwich · September 2015

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

When was the last time you tried this?

I went in about a week ago and my ward was at 30% of what it is in PvE.

Outside I have a 12k shield, inside Cyro 4k

If you have enough cp to stack into bastion, as most long-term players will, you can get your pvp ward upto 10k with little trouble. 10k is pretty much the soft-cap for hardened ward though.

Edit: outside cyrodiil my hardened ward is 18k.

Master_Kas · September 2015

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

Lol I play my sorc most after my nightblade. Keep trying to avoid the subject. My hardened ward is 9.7k in cyrodiil with subpar gear and no undaunted passives nor v15 food.

Just a sorcerer defending his class

Kas you should try only using hardened ward on your sorc, it's liberating. Replace harness with mines and healing ward with blessing of restoration. Wear 2 pieces of heavy armour and keep boundless storm up all the time. 22k spell res and 17k physical res. I believe those resistances put me on par with a 7 medium wearer. So I take similar damage to a stam NB now I think. But I still can't cloak or roll like a Stam NB can, so I argue that my 9.8k hardened ward is my substitute for cloak and roll. This seems fair to me. What say you?

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

But if you're stunned and out of stamina (oos), unable to cc break but with your 10k ward up, and your opponent struggles to do over 10k damage to you in those 4-5 seconds you're stunned for, then they are either not a dps spec or they can't play.

I have 19k hp and when stunned and oos but with a 10k shield up it's not really any different to me being stunned and oos with 29k hp and no ward. OK the ward can't be crit, but it also can't mitigate any damage. Skills hit wards for their tooltip value, or at least they would if tooltips were accurate in pvp.

Another issue I see with that scenario is that if you are oos as a sorc and get feared or fossilised and can't break out, then you receive no immunity when the cc ends and can just be cc'd again immediately.

Someone struggling to kill a sorc who is oos does indeed need to l2p and zos should not be catering to these people. This isn't aimed at you because I'm sure that you as a stam nb have no issues dealing with one ward if that sorc is oos.

I'm not a full glass spec. Still takes 2-3 hits to break a hardened ward, then start scratching their HP. Which usually isn't under 50% thanks to the shields, then they get back up continue to do the same thing.

This is not 1.6 where people gets two-three shot unless vamp with camo hunter.

I guess this is like the nbs defending their cloak, it will get its nerf. But hardened ward is not fine compared to all other shields in the game, and the problem is that you can spam it with NO penalty on regen or cost, while all other active defenses have gotten their penalty (block, rolldodge, cloak soon). Except maybe heals but there's heal debuffs for that.

Only shields can be spammed with no penalty.

Also my main issue is not fighting sorcs as a stamina build, but with my magicka specs. Sorc vs sorc duels for example last way longer than stam nb vs stam nb mostly.

Edit: I get annoyed when people call me biased as sorcerer is my second favourite character, while most of the people defending hardened ward/shieldspam are biased (perhaps more than me) and never touched nightblade nor played it vs decent opponents.

LordSemaj · September 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm not sure why people struggle so much with sorc. This whole shield stacking thing that bad players seem to cry about is even worse.

It's only one shield, which is the funny part. All the other shields can be acquired by any class. So really, complainers are only moaning about Hardened Ward. Which was just nerfed recently by 50% along with the rest of the shields.

So this is literally a thread about "DK shield is worse than Sorc shield". Even though the DK version is AOE (i.e. not for self protection) and they have Reflective Scales for personal usage.

The reason the crying is really happening is because the DK and Templar shields scale off of Health while Hardened Ward scales off Magicka. So Hardened Ward is a defensive shield that gets better the more offense you have (Magicka). Not to mention the short duration of the retaliating Sun Shield or the AOE aspect of Obsidian Shield.

All of ^that should indicate to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that only Sorcerers are meant to use shields for offense specs while the others boost the Health stat and use them for tanking. If you're not a Sorcerer in PVP, stop complaining about your shields. They aren't meant for the purpose you're attempting to use them for.

The game is supposed to go: DK negates damage, Nightblade avoids damage, Templar undoes damage, and Sorcerer absorbs damage. People are complaining that another class defense is too good when really they should be looking at why their own abilities don't feel strong enough to them. Not by comparing DK shields to Sorc shields (lol?) but by judging the DK armor buffs and health replenishment.

Again, for the TL:DR or the incredibly dense... the Sorc shields are complained about because they are efficient at what they do. They scale off of Magicka, which doubles as fuel for casting the shield and also boosts your offensive capabilities, while also matching the same stat Light Armor and Restoration Staff shields scale with. So you can spam high strength shields without nerfing your damage. All of this results in highly efficient SYNERGY which is the goal of EVERY BUILD!

Stop complaining that a class exists whose abilities ACTUALLY SYNERGIZE well and start looking at what prevents your own abilities from cooperating with each other to your liking.

FriedEggSandwich · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

Lol I play my sorc most after my nightblade. Keep trying to avoid the subject. My hardened ward is 9.7k in cyrodiil with subpar gear and no undaunted passives nor v15 food.

Just a sorcerer defending his class

Kas you should try only using hardened ward on your sorc, it's liberating. Replace harness with mines and healing ward with blessing of restoration. Wear 2 pieces of heavy armour and keep boundless storm up all the time. 22k spell res and 17k physical res. I believe those resistances put me on par with a 7 medium wearer. So I take similar damage to a stam NB now I think. But I still can't cloak or roll like a Stam NB can, so I argue that my 9.8k hardened ward is my substitute for cloak and roll. This seems fair to me. What say you?

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

But if you're stunned and out of stamina (oos), unable to cc break but with your 10k ward up, and your opponent struggles to do over 10k damage to you in those 4-5 seconds you're stunned for, then they are either not a dps spec or they can't play.

I have 19k hp and when stunned and oos but with a 10k shield up it's not really any different to me being stunned and oos with 29k hp and no ward. OK the ward can't be crit, but it also can't mitigate any damage. Skills hit wards for their tooltip value, or at least they would if tooltips were accurate in pvp.

Another issue I see with that scenario is that if you are oos as a sorc and get feared or fossilised and can't break out, then you receive no immunity when the cc ends and can just be cc'd again immediately.

Someone struggling to kill a sorc who is oos does indeed need to l2p and zos should not be catering to these people. This isn't aimed at you because I'm sure that you as a stam nb have no issues dealing with one ward if that sorc is oos.

I'm not a full glass spec. Still takes 2-3 hits to break a hardened ward, then start scratching their HP. Which usually isn't under 50% thanks to the shields, then they get back up continue to do the same thing.

This is not 1.6 where people gets two-three shot unless vamp with camo hunter.

I guess this is like the nbs defending their cloak, it will get its nerf. But hardened ward is not fine compared to all other shields in the game, and the problem is that you can spam it with NO penalty on regen or cost, while all other active defenses have gotten their penalty (block, rolldodge, cloak soon). Except maybe heals but there's heal debuffs for that.

Only shields can be spammed with no penalty.

Also my main issue is not fighting sorcs as a stamina build, but with my magicka specs. Sorc vs sorc duels for example last way longer than stam nb vs stam nb mostly.

Edit: I get annoyed when people call me biased as sorcerer is my second favourite character, while most of the people defending hardened ward/shieldspam are biased (perhaps more than me) and never touched nightblade nor played it vs decent opponents.

But your sorc still uses harness/dampen magic on top of hardened ward, of course that will feel ott if you're also wearing 2x heavy armour. My challenge was to give up all wards except hardened and then come back and say it's op. I really feel the way forward for sorc balance is to remove stacking. I have trouble fighting certain stam nbs; quicky (mitigates a butt-ton of dmg), razerphoenix (super slippery), torture/murder (always invisible) and yourself to name but a few, even pynki is a challenge and he's magicka NB, but you will never see me crying for NB nerfs because I like a challenge.

Master_Kas · September 2015

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

Lol I play my sorc most after my nightblade. Keep trying to avoid the subject. My hardened ward is 9.7k in cyrodiil with subpar gear and no undaunted passives nor v15 food.

Just a sorcerer defending his class

Kas you should try only using hardened ward on your sorc, it's liberating. Replace harness with mines and healing ward with blessing of restoration. Wear 2 pieces of heavy armour and keep boundless storm up all the time. 22k spell res and 17k physical res. I believe those resistances put me on par with a 7 medium wearer. So I take similar damage to a stam NB now I think. But I still can't cloak or roll like a Stam NB can, so I argue that my 9.8k hardened ward is my substitute for cloak and roll. This seems fair to me. What say you?

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

But if you're stunned and out of stamina (oos), unable to cc break but with your 10k ward up, and your opponent struggles to do over 10k damage to you in those 4-5 seconds you're stunned for, then they are either not a dps spec or they can't play.

I have 19k hp and when stunned and oos but with a 10k shield up it's not really any different to me being stunned and oos with 29k hp and no ward. OK the ward can't be crit, but it also can't mitigate any damage. Skills hit wards for their tooltip value, or at least they would if tooltips were accurate in pvp.

Another issue I see with that scenario is that if you are oos as a sorc and get feared or fossilised and can't break out, then you receive no immunity when the cc ends and can just be cc'd again immediately.

Someone struggling to kill a sorc who is oos does indeed need to l2p and zos should not be catering to these people. This isn't aimed at you because I'm sure that you as a stam nb have no issues dealing with one ward if that sorc is oos.

I'm not a full glass spec. Still takes 2-3 hits to break a hardened ward, then start scratching their HP. Which usually isn't under 50% thanks to the shields, then they get back up continue to do the same thing.

This is not 1.6 where people gets two-three shot unless vamp with camo hunter.

I guess this is like the nbs defending their cloak, it will get its nerf. But hardened ward is not fine compared to all other shields in the game, and the problem is that you can spam it with NO penalty on regen or cost, while all other active defenses have gotten their penalty (block, rolldodge, cloak soon). Except maybe heals but there's heal debuffs for that.

Only shields can be spammed with no penalty.

Also my main issue is not fighting sorcs as a stamina build, but with my magicka specs. Sorc vs sorc duels for example last way longer than stam nb vs stam nb mostly.

Edit: I get annoyed when people call me biased as sorcerer is my second favourite character, while most of the people defending hardened ward/shieldspam are biased (perhaps more than me) and never touched nightblade nor played it vs decent opponents.

But your sorc still uses harness/dampen magic on top of hardened ward, of course that will feel ott if you're also wearing 2x heavy armour. My challenge was to give up all wards except hardened and then come back and say it's op. I really feel the way forward for sorc balance is to remove stacking. I have trouble fighting certain stam nbs; quicky (mitigates a butt-ton of dmg), razerphoenix (super slippery), torture/murder (always invisible) and yourself to name but a few, even pynki is a challenge and he's magicka NB, but you will never see me crying for NB nerfs because I like a challenge.

That might be the issue, however IF the hardened ward was smaller it would be less of an issue too.

You're an very annoying opponent yourself

Btw quicky is magicka, torture shieldbreaker (he always like it cheesy

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FriedEggSandwich · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

Lol I play my sorc most after my nightblade. Keep trying to avoid the subject. My hardened ward is 9.7k in cyrodiil with subpar gear and no undaunted passives nor v15 food.

Just a sorcerer defending his class

Kas you should try only using hardened ward on your sorc, it's liberating. Replace harness with mines and healing ward with blessing of restoration. Wear 2 pieces of heavy armour and keep boundless storm up all the time. 22k spell res and 17k physical res. I believe those resistances put me on par with a 7 medium wearer. So I take similar damage to a stam NB now I think. But I still can't cloak or roll like a Stam NB can, so I argue that my 9.8k hardened ward is my substitute for cloak and roll. This seems fair to me. What say you?

I already wear 2 pieces of heavy on my sorc and use boundless armor Tough there are multiple occassions I'm out of stamina , stunned with hardened ward up and the attacker can't break my shield before the stun is over, or barley scratch my HP under it, then im back cc immune and continue to put up shields. This is not vs groups of players tough , is this what you want? Tank multiple ppl with one shield? I'm sorry but that's not balance.

Also on my bosmer nb with blue v15 drinks, v16 gear, I can roll 7 times, 8 with a potion.

Guess how many hardened ward's i can spam on my sorc who uses v15 FOOD and v14 gear?

In combat.

But if you're stunned and out of stamina (oos), unable to cc break but with your 10k ward up, and your opponent struggles to do over 10k damage to you in those 4-5 seconds you're stunned for, then they are either not a dps spec or they can't play.

I have 19k hp and when stunned and oos but with a 10k shield up it's not really any different to me being stunned and oos with 29k hp and no ward. OK the ward can't be crit, but it also can't mitigate any damage. Skills hit wards for their tooltip value, or at least they would if tooltips were accurate in pvp.

Another issue I see with that scenario is that if you are oos as a sorc and get feared or fossilised and can't break out, then you receive no immunity when the cc ends and can just be cc'd again immediately.

Someone struggling to kill a sorc who is oos does indeed need to l2p and zos should not be catering to these people. This isn't aimed at you because I'm sure that you as a stam nb have no issues dealing with one ward if that sorc is oos.

I'm not a full glass spec. Still takes 2-3 hits to break a hardened ward, then start scratching their HP. Which usually isn't under 50% thanks to the shields, then they get back up continue to do the same thing.

This is not 1.6 where people gets two-three shot unless vamp with camo hunter.

I guess this is like the nbs defending their cloak, it will get its nerf. But hardened ward is not fine compared to all other shields in the game, and the problem is that you can spam it with NO penalty on regen or cost, while all other active defenses have gotten their penalty (block, rolldodge, cloak soon). Except maybe heals but there's heal debuffs for that.

Only shields can be spammed with no penalty.

Also my main issue is not fighting sorcs as a stamina build, but with my magicka specs. Sorc vs sorc duels for example last way longer than stam nb vs stam nb mostly.

Edit: I get annoyed when people call me biased as sorcerer is my second favourite character, while most of the people defending hardened ward/shieldspam are biased (perhaps more than me) and never touched nightblade nor played it vs decent opponents.

But your sorc still uses harness/dampen magic on top of hardened ward, of course that will feel ott if you're also wearing 2x heavy armour. My challenge was to give up all wards except hardened and then come back and say it's op. I really feel the way forward for sorc balance is to remove stacking. I have trouble fighting certain stam nbs; quicky (mitigates a butt-ton of dmg), razerphoenix (super slippery), torture/murder (always invisible) and yourself to name but a few, even pynki is a challenge and he's magicka NB, but you will never see me crying for NB nerfs because I like a challenge.

That might be the issue, however IF the hardened ward was smaller it would be less of an issue too.

You're an very annoying opponent yourself Btw quicky is magicka, torture shieldbreaker (he always like it cheesy )

I thought quicky was magicka, but how the hell does he mitigate so much damage? lol Rhetorical question; I don't expect you to tell me. My curse does like 1k damage to him though.

Edit: sorcs are having to invest 75+ cp into bastion to get their HW to 10k. Nerfing HW would really hurt the low cp sorcs.

Erock25 · October 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Just a sorcerer defending his class

I'm strictly stamina sorc now and think shield stacking needs to go but there needs to be a self burst heal replacing Healing Ward and Shield Breaker should not hit a magicka only shield like Annulment. I also think shields should be able to be crit and be affected by all sources of damage and not block any secondary effects.

But, I'm also looking forward to ....

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.

Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time.

I think reducing magicka regeneration while cloaked could work depending on how much it was reduced, but all I really want is for a NB to not be able to cloak again for an amount of time if they get knocked out of cloak by damage.