Sorcs superior shield buffs

MudcrabsRus

I have never plsyed a SORC alt so I don't have much of an idea on what skills their using morphs etc.
This doesn't seem fair to me tho, 1v1 with a SORC their shield buffs completely cover their health bar except around 10% so I get him down to about half his health, he bolts away! lays those trap things as sorcs do when their scared.... Find him about 30 seconds later and his bar is back to full with the added shield buff completely covering his health, at that time my resourses were drained and he picked me off with ease.

Is this fair tho ? My DKs shield buff isn't even worth using it's so underpowered since IC

Am I missing something ? Please tell me if I am.

thelordoffelines

Its not just the sorc shield youre seeing, its also annulment (light armor skill) and maybe healing ward.

DannyLV702

It's simple.


We nerf the Nightblade....

Ahzek

Nerf sorc by buffing sorc !

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/221061/surge-shields-and-the-disturbing-features-of-eso

Shameless self bumb

Also yes you are seeing a combination of different shields, however usually, unless the sorc is low HP buffed by barrier Hardened ward makes the biggest chunk of that shield wall.
To kill a good (magicka) sorc you need patience, you need burst (and know when to use it), and you need to be sustainable.
However this is pretty much the same for all other classes, and while some dont get the same sustain out of shields as sorcs do, self healing and damage reduction abilites keep other classes in the fight just as well.

Waffennacht

A gap closer you need, a CC you need and the knowledge to use both correctly you need.

Though as a DK you are inherently gimped lol.

DannyLV702

The way DKs take me out is by knocking me down the the shield and sword ability and then applying dps. that way theyre is a grace period where i can't apply my shield. just repeat that over and over. that popular immobilizer ability you guys use is also effective

UltimaJoe777

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

I have never plsyed a SORC alt so I don't have much of an idea on what skills their using morphs etc.
This doesn't seem fair to me tho, 1v1 with a SORC their shield buffs completely cover their health bar except around 10% so I get him down to about half his health, he bolts away! lays those trap things as sorcs do when their scared.... Find him about 30 seconds later and his bar is back to full with the added shield buff completely covering his health, at that time my resourses were drained and he picked me off with ease.

Is this fair tho ? My DKs shield buff isn't even worth using it's so underpowered since IC

Am I missing something ? Please tell me if I am.

Not enough Power Bashing.

riverdragon72

Loved my Stam DK prior to this update, other than using a bow she is almost usless now. I got on my sorc last night and had a field day in the sewers. It was nice to be on the other side of things for a change.

Xeven

You got rekt son.

MudcrabsRus

I don't understand how sorcs can complain about the shield nerf, their shields are still OP as ***.

Flaminir

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

I don't understand how sorcs can complain about the shield nerf, their shields are still OP as ***.

Strong yes... OP no.

As a sorc I hate fighting DK's... you need patience in that fight as you can just flap your wings and kill us with 90% of our own spells!

As others have said... a DK fighting a sorc is the same thing... patience, and knowing when to hit.... CC us and we're toast as soon as our shields are down as we don't exactly have a lot of reliable heals... especially in PvP.

DK's have damage mitigation, heals, & reflects... we have a shield instead.

angelyn

As others have said sorcs only have one class sheild. You are most likely seeing a combination of:

Hardened ward: sorcerer class skill (available to sorcerers only)
Healing ward: Restoration staff skill (available to everyone)
Harness magicka: Light armour skill ( available to everyone)

Master_Kas

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

FriedEggSandwich

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

I don't understand how sorcs can complain about the shield nerf, their shields are still OP as ***.

Stack weapon damage and stamina, pick up a 2h and start smacking some sorcs about and then come back and say the ward is op.

eligh0716

Wow this is the third one I have seen about this. In pvp my hardened ward doesn't cover nearly as much as in pve... It's like 1/8 of my health pool. I'm not gonna lie it's definitely a good skill for a sorc but it's pretty much all we got for protection so don't ruin it for us lol. Dude you are a dk.. The sorc you was fighting was obviously toying with you, acting as a tank. You could use magma shield, draconic blood, heavy armor skill medium armor skill and light armor skill on you back up... Talk about damage sponge.

Makkir

It's because Sorcs have horrible light armor passives in regard to physical protection.

Xeven

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Yep like Templar heals, NB Swallow Soul and Cloak etc.

All magicka based. All insanely strong defensive (and offensive!) abilities.

Stamina has Vigor which is the best heal in the game aside from Templar heals. On top of that they have Rally, and the ability to block and dodge roll far more than any magicka class.

Every single class in this game when played properly is just as hard to kill if not harder to kill than any Sorc.

LordSemaj

"My DK shield is weaker than Sorc shields!"

And a Sorc's heals are weaker than Templar heals. Shocker.

Classes have different specialties.

FriedEggSandwich

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

MikeB

Sorc shield stacking is still OP, anyone saying otherwise is a Sorc. Anyone using 2H is annoying if not on the verge of OP because all they do is crit rush, uppercut execute and 90% of people in PvP are dead or close enough it doesnt matter. If they dont crit rush its just uppercut spam until you're dead. I dont know how or why anyone enjoys the PvP in this game, its unbalanced to say the least and super annoying at best. A Person got off 1 hit on me last night when I was at less than 5% HP and they got 80% of my TV stones... Why? Just why? s/he didnt earn them, the NPC's did, but just because they got last hit bye bye stones

FriedEggSandwich

MikeB wrote: »

Sorc shield stacking is still OP, anyone saying otherwise is a Sorc. Anyone using 2H is annoying if not on the verge of OP because all they do is crit rush, uppercut execute and 90% of people in PvP are dead or close enough it doesnt matter. If they dont crit rush its just uppercut spam until you're dead. I dont know how or why anyone enjoys the PvP in this game, its unbalanced to say the least and super annoying at best. A Person got off 1 hit on me last night when I was at less than 5% HP and they got 80% of my TV stones... Why? Just why? s/he didnt earn them, the NPC's did, but just because they got last hit bye bye stones

Shield stacking is op, I completely agree with you and I'm happy for anyone to campaign for the removal of shield stacking. People need to focus on the stacking though and stop calling for nerfs to hardened ward. Because I believe that when used on it's own hardened ward isn't op. If they nerf hardened ward but not shield stacking then sorcs will feel even more pressured into stacking shields.

LordSemaj

MikeB wrote: »

Sorc shield stacking is still OP, anyone saying otherwise is a Sorc. Anyone using 2H is annoying if not on the verge of OP because all they do is crit rush, uppercut execute and 90% of people in PvP are dead or close enough it doesnt matter. If they dont crit rush its just uppercut spam until you're dead. I dont know how or why anyone enjoys the PvP in this game, its unbalanced to say the least and super annoying at best. A Person got off 1 hit on me last night when I was at less than 5% HP and they got 80% of my TV stones... Why? Just why? s/he didnt earn them, the NPC's did, but just because they got last hit bye bye stones

You complain a lot. Stay out of IC. The dungeons drop the same gear.

The issue here is that there's two types of players currently in IC, the same two types of players that played Darkfall and Ultima Online and Shadowbane. The carebears and the griefers.

One group believes the way to get gear in a game is by mining or grinding for materials then crafting it. They dutifully raise their harvesting skills and specialize in resource collection. Making them walking loot crates. When actually the way to get gear in these games is by finding such a sucker who has already done these things and stealing all his stuff.

You're doing PVE, dropping your health to 5%, and losing all your stones...
They're hunting PVErs, attacking from full health and stealth, and gaining all YOUR stones...
You are losing things you've earned while they are walking in with 0 stones and 0 risk and being rewarded.

IC isn't about dying and losing all your TV stones. It's about finding some other guy who has already earned a bunch of them and making HIM die and lose all HIS TV stones.

You're doing it wrong.

Erock25

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

RatedChaotic

Use shield breaker. Sorcs will run.

Xendyn

Ok so we're not supposed to use our mobility to get away or reposition...
we're not supposed to use our shield to survive...

Got it.


All Sorcs just line up over here>>>and lay down so people can get free kills, thx.

Master_Kas

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

Lol I play my sorc most after my nightblade. Keep trying to avoid the subject. My hardened ward is 9.7k in cyrodiil with subpar gear and no undaunted passives nor v15 food.

Just a sorcerer defending his class

ThisOnePosts

lol the Sorcs the OP described are the worst at PVP. It's easy to get their health low and then yes they escape. Although, good luck escaping from my gap-closers.

Every Sorc I encounter in PVP, I make sure Immovable is up or a potion which is even better. Throw in Shield Breaker if you're a stam user... it's not effective versus many but almost all shield stackers (let's be honest, the most shield-stacking comes from Sorcs that really don't know how to fight other players) have a weakness to it of course. It will force them to fight or flee.

In order to maintain resources, don't forget potions. Out of all of my classes my Sorc is the easiest to use in Cyrodiil if I want to just go in there and spam my shields/Streak. However, that's a lame move and all it is going to do is make such people susceptible to getting owned when the next wave or two of nerfs hit ESO.

vamp_emily

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

I have never plsyed a SORC alt so I don't have much of an idea on what skills their using morphs etc.
This doesn't seem fair to me tho, 1v1 with a SORC their shield buffs completely cover their health bar except around 10% so I get him down to about half his health, he bolts away! lays those trap things as sorcs do when their scared.... Find him about 30 seconds later and his bar is back to full with the added shield buff completely covering his health, at that time my resourses were drained and he picked me off with ease.

Is this fair tho ? My DKs shield buff isn't even worth using it's so underpowered since IC

Am I missing something ? Please tell me if I am.

It's simple..

We double Nerf the Sorcerer.

k2blader

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

I noticed that a while ago also. There are quite a few NBs biased like that though maybe not all as vocal.

Sorcs have been nerfed considerably-- in all areas people wanted them nerfed-- yet people are still crying? These types also seem to totally overlook/ignore the fact that certain builds, certain gear, and certain amounts of CPs can make quite the difference in 1v1s (which is what I can only guess they're whinging about and isn't what ESO PvP is about). They also seem in denial that skill can and does come into play regardless of class.

It's actually pretty funny because time and time again, even on their whinge threads, sorc players tell them how to beat us, yet it goes in one ear and out the other, and next you know it they're already on to another nerf sorc campaign.

At any rate, it is as you said. They won't be happy til sorcs are free kills. Til then I dunno what else to do except view them as baddies, because that's what they are.

vamp_emily

k2blader wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

I noticed that a while ago also. There are quite a few NBs biased like that though maybe not all as vocal.

Sorcs have been nerfed considerably-- in all areas people wanted them nerfed-- yet people are still crying? These types also seem to totally overlook/ignore the fact that certain builds, certain gear, and certain amounts of CPs can make quite the difference in 1v1s (which is what I can only guess they're whinging about and isn't what ESO PvP is about). They also seem in denial that skill can and does come into play regardless of class.

It's actually pretty funny because time and time again, even on their whinge threads, sorc players tell them how to beat us, yet it goes in one ear and out the other, and next you know it they're already on to another nerf sorc campaign.

At any rate, it is as you said. They won't be happy til sorcs are free kills. Til then I dunno what else to do except view them as baddies, because that's what they are.

You should jump on over the "Cloak needs a nerf" thread. That is where you will find majority of your Sorc friends at.

It's kind of funny NBs also tell everyone how to counter the cloak, yet it goes in one ear and out the other.

FriedEggSandwich

Master_Kas wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Alot of people like to dance around and avoid the subject which is that they have a strong class shield which scales of their offensive stat/attribute (magicka).

Other classes using stamina for defense for example blocking/rolling bot both of those have penalties to it (no stam regen while blocking, huge stam cost after a few dodgerolls)

The sorcerer can reapply his big class shield, on top on all other shields without ANY regen/cost penalty which is the main problem.

But don't worry, they'll nerf cloak and nightblades instead.

If anyone is about to say use shieldbreaker, screw you, I cannot use that on my magicka builds.

My biggest complaint about shield breaker was that they gave it to stam builds and not magicka builds. Right now cloak can be re-applied without any regen/cost penalty, and that's the way it should stay. I defend my class ward so much because I made the effort to stop shield stacking in response to everyones' outrage at it. So as you should know from our skirmishes a few days ago; I only carry hardened ward. I can't disappear, I can't block damage or roll from it. So I argue that I need my class ward to survive long enough to get some hits in. I am a little suspicious as to your motives for posing on these threads. You had no issues dealing with my ward a few days ago, and I don't really believe you have a problem with it. You should be saving your energies for the nerf cloak threads, not trying to gank sorcs in the nerf wards threads.

@Master_Kas is just a standard NB who endlessly whines about Sorc on the forums. No reason to debate him about Sorc class as he will not be satisfied until they are completely gutted.

Lol I play my sorc most after my nightblade. Keep trying to avoid the subject. My hardened ward is 9.7k in cyrodiil with subpar gear and no undaunted passives nor v15 food.

Just a sorcerer defending his class

Kas you should try only using hardened ward on your sorc, it's liberating. Replace harness with mines and healing ward with blessing of restoration. Wear 2 pieces of heavy armour and keep boundless storm up all the time. 22k spell res and 17k physical res. I believe those resistances put me on par with a 7 medium wearer. So I take similar damage to a stam NB now I think. But I still can't cloak or roll like a Stam NB can, so I argue that my 9.8k hardened ward is my substitute for cloak and roll. This seems fair to me. What say you?