Ezareth wrote: »

I think this update may be the one that finally cures me of my ESO addiction.

I've spent the past week playing, reflecting and contemplating, continually asking myself "Am I having fun?". There are brief moments...when there is some real PvP occurring, something that recaptures a piece of the my past enjoyment, those moments have kept me logging in for the most part....that and my friends in the game.

When I'm not with friends and try to play the game for enjoyment by myself (something I've always been able to do in the past) I just find myself incredibly bored. I feel like I am looking up at a mountain of grinds in order to get to rare moments where I'm actually enjoying myself.

Must grind undaunted dailies to unlock undaunted passives
Must grind IC for deconstruction mats.
Must grind champion points to stay competitive
Must grind AP to unlock assault/support 10

The list goes on...

Grinding for upgrade mats, Writs (shudder), Motifs etc.

It's all just incredibly....not fun. Most of the time I find myself nodding off at my keyboard.

I spent last night playing another game and I found myself actually enjoying my evening of playing and looking forward to it again tonight.

Imperial City has many good things going for it. It is a beautiful zone with a ton of lore and history and it fixed many of the issues that have been plaguing the game in the past. But it is not alas a PvP update in any respect IMO and it is killing off an already ailing PvP community.

I'm not sure what they can do to fix this TBH.

I'm seriously considering quitting the game. I never said before that some patch would be make or break for me, I always enjoyed the game even with the big flaws that kept hurting us every patch, but I always kept thinking, when IC comes out, it'l be awesome, it'll be the new darkness falls. Well turns out IC is crap, and is even more crap without gated access.

They've screwed the potential of this game real bad. I don't know how much longer I can keep playing this.

IC killed Cyro, called it before

Etaniel wrote: »

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

IC killed Cyro, called it before

The fact IC is a DLC, and that it was not gated killed PvP/Cyro.
I remember they talked about capturing districts a long time ago, I'm sure they took that out because of B2P. They couldn't add meaningful PvP objectives (objectives that affect the whole campaign) if the content is behind a DLC paywall. So they took out PvP objectives out of IC, and opened IC to all, killing Cyro in the process.

yes the district capturing wich isnt there is a shame
but I meant http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/195948/acces-to-ic-with-home-keeps-will-make-cyro-incredibly-stale#latest

With the loyal fan base of the Elder Scrolls franchise this game was Zos's to lose, and seems like they are on the path to a diminishing game, I like some of the new patch, and it has done to Cyrodiil proper what I had expected it to do for a short time, but I will admit I am bored with the pvp as it stands now, IC is boring to me, I miss the ebb and flow of the pvp in Cyrodill proper, I have found a few good battles, but with the population imbalance it is tough some days.

I know a lot of the instajibbers were unhappy with the new TTK, but getting instajibbed was not fun for most people, I used to see instagibbers on their twitch channel complain when they got instajibbed, LOL

The one gated access campaign not doing to well from the numbers I see, this is three faction warfare, three factions need to take part and be fairly balanced, there are some problems in this game that are player created, like the population imbalance, and the measures ZOS would have to do to help this would not be very popular among the player base.

Not having caps was bad idea, crazy regens and damage numbers, maybe there is something to be said for cool downs now looking back.

I think a lot of the good things in this patch are over shadowed by other game issues and problems, the real question is can ZOSs dig out of this hole they keep digging, because when I hear the words going free to play will be my queue to exit stage right.:)

Thing is me and my friends are huge fans of the game and our morale is getting low, so I can only imagine the players who are not real fans of the franchise what they are thinking.

Can I have all of you chars stuff when you all quit?

I hate IC but i have to spent hours in it because of the gear and trophy farm.

I do have fun in IC smaller groups sometimes, if lucky. But it's so inconsistent.

Going around for ages, district to district, without seeing a single enemy, empty sewers, empty everywhere, than bam get run over by a PvE train

Also less and less solo friendly. Feels like IC right now is 90% NB gankers in sneak waiting for you to aggro NPC's, so they can drop the killing blow and feel awesome, than 10% PvE trains farming stoff. It's getting worse. Was more mixed/fun action in the beginning.

Cyrodiil is mostly dead. To many campaigns sharing both IC and Cyro populations, results in empty maps. ZoS removing any incentive to gain AP, emperor and leaderboard, surely didn't help.

I'm still stuck in combat for years, crashing, getting massive fps drops, horrible ping, no cc immunity, skills not working and basically nothing that plagued PvP in earlier patches, was really fixed.

Small group PvP is getting less and less viable with these updates. That is what is killing the game for me. We used to be able to achieve so much more with skill when outnumbered.

WTB 1.5 with softcaps, dynamic ulti generation, maybe some kind of modified vigor for stamina builds (though I wouldn't want to play a stamina build I think), 100% stamina regen while blocking. Wings could stay as they are now, nerfed to 4 or 6 projectiles (saying this even though my main would be a dk).

Out of the time I spend in the game now, I'm maybe actually PvPing/fighting 20% of the time. That percentage used to be a lot higher in 1.5 and prior to that.

In my opinion, Imperial City was a collassal failure, and did so on four major ways (I'm not even going to get into the glass armor debacle here):

This update was not good for newer players... it was not good for PvE... it was not good for PvP... it was not good for long term players who were already at the cap or approaching the cap (those with investment)... it was a LOSS on just about any and all fronts!

If you were a newer player, after all - how many players came to this game on console and were still trying to get their bearings when IC hit? Anyway, if the OMG, all my characters just have to respec... reality check wasn't alarming enough (thanks to zero mass notification in game) then the eventual realization that a large chunk of their abilities didn't work the same way was rather jolting... moreover, for many characters, some players who really only even had one or two, areas that they were once doing okay in and holding their own found out that they could no longer do just that - hold their own. Dungeons and delves that only a week ago they were able to fight in with buds, now they were getting their clocked cleaned after IC dropped, by the same mobs... this was about the single most unplayer friendly thing a developer can do... that is, take perceived 'power' away from players in a zone, and newer characters were basically left feeling like the rug was taken out from underneath them. If you didn't hit the forums, you had no clue. Many folks I used to game with, are gone now because of it.

Look if you enjoy the heck out of PvE, you really are not a fan of IC, because now you have to WAIT for cyrodil timers to get into PVP space so you can go do PvE activities... ulgh... what a pain... you also have to tolerate the occasional ganker, or zerg fest just so you can do what you like, the PvE side of things, bad idea. There's just a rediculous amount of mobs for what would be considered any kind of reasonable PvE encounter, and there's so many folks in there 'grinding' in various zones, that the whole thing is kind of a failing mess... and if you happen to be in a place where there are enemy blocking your path, well, you might as well change campaigns, just so you can wait, pay and try again... which really makes you just want to go do anything else... at all... Now it's nice that they raised the Dungeons to VR16, if they were going to increase the level cap and its nice that loot tables increased in those dungeons... well, or is it??? See below - for PvE players, this whole IC thing is just a mess!

If you are a PvP player, what you enjoyed, the PvP aspects of Cyrodil are gone. Now, there's a mass exodux of the former game types into the IC space cause thats where the gear is at. It's a forced to get to cap kind of requirement. If you want the gear to compete, you gotta go to IC... so, folks are not in the PvP game types of Cyrodil doing what you like to do anymore, the already small PvP crowds are now even more fractured, IC all but ruined what little PvP space there was... and now is herding everyone into IC, for various reasons, none of which anyone is really fond of...

If you were at End Game prior, and already had your VR gear sets, Cyrodil's Light, Engine Guardian, Footman's, Monster Helms and you had accumulated your VR14 sets... IC basically slapped all that investment work right in the face, and said - could you please do all that again now? What they should have is gear which once achieved at END GAME cap, remains at end game cap... OR, end game gear which once earned, continues to level with you - whatever toon is wearing it... so if you earn it at VR5, great - its stats are set to VR5... move it to a VR14 character, the gear's stats are now reflective of a VR14 toon... and same for VR16... whatever... you have EARNED end game gear, it should be investment worthy, that experience, those memories you had in game of that epic journey to obtain whatever that helm or drop was to get you that Valkyn Skoria helm - finally, should stay with you! You shouldn't have to do it, again, just becasue ZoS now decided to bump up levels... or because you weren't at level cap, when you finally managed to receive the RNG drop. Eliminating the grind and rewarding the memories, the immersioin and the INVESTMENT will go A LONG way to reward players, the experience, and add to the joy this game is capable of generating. The more they focus on "PLEASE DO IT AGAIN..." the less interest anyone will have in doing, just that..."

IC went a LONG way, to ruin just about every aspect of the game, from every direction imaginable... unless, you just like to grind and doing the same things you already have done.

Just my take.

Voted, but biased. I hate PvP in general, so this addition is something I just don't like at the basics.

There are some things I like about IC.

You're more likely to find 1v1s in certain areas without being interrupted, whereas when you'd run into one person in Cyro prior, all that would happen is their whole group would show up right behind them. There was little-to-no ability to just roam the map effectively and enjoyably immediately prior to IC, now if I'm not in group, I can wander around and collect TV stones with chances to run into 1 or 2 players for a good fight often enough. I'm having as much fun playing solo as I have in at least two updates, and I'm not worried that if I engage one person that I'm not going to get rolled by some group while fighting.

On the other hand, there are a lot of things I dislike.

First: this is advertised as a PvP update. It is not. It's PVE with chances for PVP. Yeah, I can find those 1v1s, but not because we're playing PvP objectives, but because were both grindin PvE mobs. PvPers have not gotten any love from ZOS, and with nothing to look forward to. I only enjoy PvP, so another vet dungeon? Don't care. PvE Orsinium? Don't care. They haven't released their Dark Brotherhood and Theives Guild plans, but I doubt it that they'll have any sort of PvP element. Most likely Theives guild will level by stealing from NPCs and DB will level from murdering them... Sounds like a snooze-fest... They've already lost so many PvP players, who either quit before IC or after it, and if they don't add anything for the remaining players, there will be none left. Battlegrounds and/or Arenas are simply necessary at this point, and the fact that they havent announced anything about it is ridiculous. I just want to fight players. I don't want to sit between keeps to do it, or sit in a PvE area to do it. It's long, long, long overdue. Didn't they tease PvP arenas like over a year ago, and then nothing but crickets? The absolute worst part is that I think it would be incredibly fun in this game to have even, dedicated matches. Why they won't do it is beyond me... I don't care how many crowns I have to pay, give me REAL PVP @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Second: They advertised incentives for IC districts and then removed them. Big mistake. Having real incentive to control those districts could've made it fun, but nope. As you now see, most of the districts are empty. There's no incentive for players to fight each other, because after one death the opponent is worthless and if those players aren't grinding mobs, there is literally no incentive to kill them.

Third: TV stone loss. I said it in PTS, that such stiff penalties would only encourage people to only run in large group to lower their risk of losing them. If you're running by yourself, and you're doing well, all it takes is one zerg to roll you over and it's a complete waste. I run solo because I find it enjoyable, but when I do I basically stop caring if I lose my stones to a zerg, or grind in an empty district or area.

Fourth: Again with the grind? It's endless with this game. How long has it been since they said they were going to remove VR ranks - and yet they just keep adding to it. On top of that, you'd better be ready to sink significant time to grind all the gear you need for your characters. For players who have put hundreds and in many cases thousands of hours into your game, we have to do all the BS all over again just to be able to do what we bought the game for: PVP. I'm so sick of ZoS forcing PvP players to PvE. Your PvE is boring, stop forcing it on me. For someone with three v14 characters going into 1.7, the thought of even gearing two of them in IC gave me headaches.

Basically, I don't know how much longer I can imagine playing this game without some glimmer of hope for REAL PvP, not this PvE grind crap with a chance of PvP - where you can't PvP without worrying about mobs and bosses.

Kill or be killed, that's all I want. Group and solo. I don't even care if there are zero rewards, the utility I'd get from just fighting even numbers in a.controlled environment will be more than enough.

I predicted on the pts board that IC would hurt pvp but few believed me back then.

The sins of IC are:

First is the vet level increase and the huge power creep in v16 gear forcing everyone to abandon all the many old variable builds they had for a very limited number of new builds making the game a lot less interesting.

Second is the player loot system of telvar stones which is a community killer since it promotes the worst kind of behavior in players. It encourages ganking and zerging and make people not help each other. And it makes PVE players hate pvp even more than before.

Third the gated access failure. IC were meant to put an extra dimension to Cyrodiil warfare where gating where meant to encurage realm wide cooperation to gain access to IC. But they abandoned this except for a minor server where one realm already dominated.
And even if you opened IC for a while then it is pointless because you cannot push the other side out of IC. If you kill a player while entrance s barred he can still just rez inside and come back which defeats the whole point of gating.

Last there is no pvp structure in IC. It is mindless farming with occasional pvp combat. There are no goals and no ability to take over the city. It is a big public dungeon with the possibility of being ganked.

One good thing though is that the update have been a great revival for us crafters. The reason is that the dropped sets in there is so incredible rare and difficult to get, that no one seriously work towards then, plus the telvar sets are really bad unless you get insanely lucky with the random boxes. But everyone need v16 gear to stay competitive so the only option is to go to your local crafter for gear.

Sometimes a bit like this: