PS4 casual player here.

Capped CP is a good thing I think, for it allows a balance across thr playing field.

I'm guessing that the first cap will be around the 400 mark, so by the time it comes into play the player might have a pool of 600 to play with.

Every expansion might increase the cap by 200 - 300 giving the player base enough time to increase thier CP pool to be over capped, until such a time when most of the player base upon raised CP cap levels, won't have enough CP's to be at cap.

I hope that makes sense.

What this then does is change how the player sets up thier build , yes people will still copy each others builds, however there will also be many personal builds.

The balance of the classes / skills should easier to identify also by have capped CP. However I won't hold my breath on that one.

While the people with crazy amounts of CP might leave the game, if and when they return then the player base might have caught up to them CP wise.

PvP will change, more personal builds will come into play as will the approach on killing the players. Limiting the amount of CP should define their play styles, yet over time increasing the CP cap, those same builds will change, so will you're approach to them. If you are aware of what each class can do to you're class, then capped CP should be in everyone's intrest, for now.

Example, when I played the vanilla version of World or Warcraft, I had over 46000 player kills, the main reason for this was, I basically killed the same people who were pvping I got to learn who they were by remembering thier names and perdicting what they would do on each encounter, however when the battle groups came about I had to adapt to each encounter for I didn't thier play styles or who they were.

On a personal note the CP system should never been put into the game in the first place.

The system I would of had is the Everquests Alternate Ability point system, better known as AA.

AA's cater for general skills such as crafting, resists, running etc etc, however more importantly it also inhances class skills.

Also the xp needed to earn 1 AA is the xp needed to go from lvl 51 - 52 if I remember correctly. EQ is now lvl capped at 100 or so and AA's at 12k or so. Going by that, then the AA system may not be perfect, however is a better system overall.

Darlgon wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

There doing CP respects when/if the cap comes so every one will be at that cap level so those 2 with 2K plus are no longer gonna be gods. Learn to hear.

YOU need to learn to hear..

They are not going to respec, EVER AGAIN attributes or skill points, BECAUSE the players are upset by it.

SO, the players need to become upset by the proposed CP respec, because they dont remember where they put their CPs before, and ZoS will let it go. Or, have you missed that they have done that.. HOW many times before?

Now I'm upset. Can someone who watched ESO Live confirm it?
To everyone who sent tickets about it: please don't *** up my free respec because you're too lazy to remember what skills you're using every day. Take a photo, write them down, you have options.

Brrrofski wrote: »

This cap thing is a stupid idea.

Just make a campaogn or two with no cps.

Problem solved. That easy.

Yeah let's separate the community even more than it already is, that sounds like a great idea.......not!

Ommamar wrote: »

Legoless wrote: »

He said they'll be resetting CP if you're over the cap once Orsinium hits.

So does that mean you will lose the CP you earned or will they sit there ready to use for the next cap advance? Either way it is a bad decision. On one hand you will have the why can't I use what I have earned slant?! On the other hand you will just have bursts of power from the people who are already far ahead on CP.

If people in fact lose their earned CP I would see an exodus occurring.

No problems with that. Less farmers, more pleasant atmosphere all around. Farmers don't contribute much to community apart from fulfilling their either OCD or Power maniac needs, people like that can freely leave.

Will be funny to read all the farmers coming here and complaining about it. Good stuff ZoS!

Granted this may not effect the majority of the players who dont spend a lot of time playing, but a system that discourages those of us who play for hours on the daily is a slippery slope.

The content does not come fast enough to keep us interested as it is, taking it a step further and placing limitations on a system that qualified as a content update in of itself is a mistake.

I believe most of the less frequent players are going to be amazed how empty Tamriel is going to be without the serious PvP/PvE guilds around. Its already been feeling empty for a while and IC didnt do us any favors.

oSemaj wrote: »

I have one question, during the stream he said the dude that soloed Molag Bal had 70k resources. How is that possible? I don't see any CP tree that increases your max resources.

It is not. Simply it seems that the fact that these resource pools were so high because the player was an Emperor, escaped from the game's Creative director. If this is truly the case, then a lack of knowledge, at such a high level, for basic mechanics of this game, explains many other issues....

Xeven wrote: »

If you are one of the few people with 600 or more CP, what makes you think that you shouldnt be on the same playing field as everyone else? Because you kiilled more NPCs? People have jobs, families, social lives.

Just because you can play 10 more games of chess than I can each day, doesnt mean that you should be able to start each game with 4 queens.

Excellent analogy. I agree.

Problem is, very good / high playtime players (which is not the same by the way but let's put them together in this case) need PROGRESSION, progression with milestones and things they can show and prove to others. They need numbers, titles, achievements, leaderboards. The fun of playing the game and replaying the same content over and over again and doing it better each time is not enough, there must be something quantified AND exhibitable (not sure the word exists in english) to be a valid goal for them.

That would apply to chess too. If someone is so passionate about chess that he would play 10, 20 or 200 games of chess every day, this person will seek new goals, new opponents, tournaments. He will not stay at home playing against himself or against the same opponent over and over again, even if that alone makes him better.

People need measurements. People need progression. People need milestones. Otherwise they feel their time is wasted even if, in reality, it's not. If you're making efforts to lose weight, it's not the weight scale that makes you lose weight, it's your efforts. But you will need a scale to measure those efforts.

Setting milestones is one of the roles of champion points. The other one is reward. People need to be rewarded for their effort, and obviously in an MMO the reward must come in form of more power for your character. Maybe champion points should not give extra power but rather some exclusive stuff like costumes, dyes or titles. But would that be enough of a reward for hardcore players ? I doubt that.

IMHO there is no solution, it's like squaring the circle. People with lots of time will want endless progression because they feel that any playtime beyond the cap is "wasted". People with little time will want limits, because they feel that any playtime with no hope to ever catch up is "wasted".

I have 87. But it's okay, I just need to L2P

Band-aids don't fix the design flaws. The problems run deeper than "how many CPs a person has right now". While this is an effective short-term solution, the problems that Champion System has will eventually come back and be just as bad as they are now. There needs to be a different fix than this... I hope ZOS realizes this.

And I agree with @zornyan. All they are essentially doing here is punishing those who have played the grind and earned a bunch of CPs. This is by no means an even handed or fair-to-all solution.

Gidorick wrote: »

There needs to be a different fix than this... I hope ZOS realizes this.

Like... what ?

Gidorick wrote: »

This is by no means an even handed or fair-to-all solution.

Because imho there is no such thing as an even and fair-to-all solution. And that does not lie within the CP system.

Some people want endless progression because they feel any time played beyond cap is "wasted".
Some people want limitations because they feel any time played with no hope to catch up is "wasted".

I don't see ANY even and fair-to-all solution to that. You cannot expect ZOS nor anyone to solve such a contradictory equation.

Muizer wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

I can see many players leaving with this solution, say there are 50,000 players above 500cp, now if the cap is set at say 300, they will quite literially have less a huge reason less to play.

We don't even have to consider such a scenario. To avoid this, the cap will affect a small portion of the player base, and as I pointed out in the post right above yours, that means the cap will be quite a bit higher than 300. 500 would still be low. Could be as high as 1000.

I'll tell you what the tragedy will be of this system: Only the few CP grinders in the top 5 percent of the distribution (those getting nerfed) will notice the difference. The other 95% won't notice a thing, especially those at the bottom of the pile.

If you have few CP and think you need them to catch up, you will have to wait until they introduce the catch-up system. Because that will be the method they will use to sort of narrow the disrtibution and reduce relative differences across the board. A cap cannot do that. It can only remove the outliers.

Oh, and it would in general be great if people in general wouldn't propose totally ridiculous scenario's. We may not always agree with the motivations behind what ZoS is doing, but you can bet they aren't stupid.

As someone on the bottom of the pile (98 cp) i couldnt say it better. Cp system is one of main things that caused my mounts to get hungry for over a month now.

Not sure how that cap is going to swing really, considering the difference between PC and console.

PC players are hundreds of CP ahead, we even got 70+CP if we had a max leveled char when Tamriel Unlimited came out. Most of us that's been playing say since than, sit on 350-450 CP today from playing the game normally, no grinding. By the time Orsinium comes out, that number will be even higher.

So either the cap wont make any difference for console at all, because 99% of the population aren't even close. Or a loads of PC players will be really upset.

I'm really happy their doing something about the CP imbalance of course. I know so many returning PvP'ers that left after a few days, because of it. I meet so many new players that just sort of gave up and quit, because the disparity in CP felt to overwhelming.

But I rather they work hard on a catch up system, than punish people to harshly for being loyal to the game and playing it every day. Again, not talking about 1000-1500+ CP monsters living in CWC, but all of us on PC that just played normally since the system came out. Will we loose access to like half out points, because console is behind in progression?

Erudition wrote: »

The solution is not to cap but to create zones for different players. An open zone with awesome pvp rewards for players of any level with ambition and talent. A (let's say) sub 800 CP pvp world with pretty good pvp rewards and a sub 300 CP campaign for noobs with pretty average pvp rewards. The imbalance is real and it should be dealt with fairly (especially since this is their system in the first place).

... and the TWO players above 2000 CP get a whole instance of Cyrodiil just for duelling each other ?
(oh but wait... do they actually know how to play apart from steel tornadoing goblins ?)

(sorry I'm not making a fool of your post, just the idea of those two CP-heroes running for each other in the whole of Cyro makes me laugh )