Consoles: Need a chat box please!

Chieve · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

I would rather text because I suck socially, and I don't wanna have to listen to anyone raging and yelling

Caps is much less intimidating

Chieve · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Me and my friend already had this discussion, if we are talking to our friends, we want voice, but if we had to talk to strangers we would rather talk, why the *** would I wanna talk to people I don't knkw

Chieve · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

So I just wanna state my last experience with text chat.

Normally all the people in the game make to many noises so I turn off voice chat.

I just joined a new guilds and was curious on how my guild mates act and interact with one another.

I was pretty pleased with text chat...

That I go to a city to a city......

First thing I hear as soon as I come in?

A bunch of people making fun of a guy in the game until he ran off to the way shrine to go teleport somewhere.

I don't know why, to be honest I think if I heard correctly, the guy was trying to sell his account and was only level 40...

But the fact all these people gained up on him and made him run away, kinda sad...regardless of the situation..

But then they are all just talking making a bunch of noise and joking around and what ever...and I'm all for people having a good time....but I can't here my guild mates...I can't hear quest gives, I can't hear anyting. I know this isn't everywhere...but I'd prefer this not have to be a problem.

Then I go PvP, in all honesty it was nice...I even got an invite to a party to pvp with everyine, but....two people were just screaming and making all this noise when fighting making it difficult to hear the party leader and how he wanted the group to work together or be organized or whatever.

I'm still all for text chat, but if we are going to deal with voice chat, at leasttt let us just the volume of specific chat channels, I don't wanna have to completely leave a channel just to hear other ones.

TL:DR text chat started pleasent, then quickly went bad, from hearing someone getting bullied, to not being able to hear my guild mates in the city tp not even being able to hear the directions of my party leader for pvp.

Now I know why I always had it turned off lol...but now I wanna leave it on for my new guild...

P.s.

As I typed this I realized, text chat would be good addition especially for the unconfident , for example I'd like to try to lead a group in PvP, and encourage my members and helpvout, but Im not very confident and when I have to say it...especially confidently...even if it's right or wrong, I sound incompetent and no one will listen...mainly because I'm shy and am always worried if I'm making myself look like an idiot...text chat helps suppress that a lot...

Junglejim82 · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Never gonna happen. I gave up on pve in eso (where text is most useful for quickly forming relevant balanced groups) due to this . Just pvp with the guild. Shame really I love tough raids but have yet to step foot in one here. Shameful considering I've now reached level cap twice . V14. Then v 16. Having never done a raid and less than 10 pledges while only grinding 2 vr levels

FuzzyDuck79 · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Yes, yes and yes. I'm fed up with the "trying to find a group but failing finder".

Nergie4242 · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Never gonna happen. I gave up on pve in eso (where text is most useful for quickly forming relevant balanced groups) due to this . Just pvp with the guild. Shame really I love tough raids but have yet to step foot in one here. Shameful considering I've now reached level cap twice . V14. Then v 16. Having never done a raid and less than 10 pledges while only grinding 2 vr levels

Thing is if you are looking for a pure pvp game then how can eso compete when camelot unchained hits? Cos every pvper i know (and being an ex WAR player i know a lot) that is the only thing they are waiting for. And being crowdfunded they might actually listen to their playerbase instead of ignoring/alienating/losing them.

Junglejim82 · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Nergie4242 wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Never gonna happen. I gave up on pve in eso (where text is most useful for quickly forming relevant balanced groups) due to this . Just pvp with the guild. Shame really I love tough raids but have yet to step foot in one here. Shameful considering I've now reached level cap twice . V14. Then v 16. Having never done a raid and less than 10 pledges while only grinding 2 vr levels

Thing is if you are looking for a pure pvp game then how can eso compete when camelot unchained hits? Cos every pvper i know (and being an ex WAR player i know a lot) that is the only thing they are waiting for. And being crowdfunded they might actually listen to their playerbase instead of ignoring/alienating/losing them.

It can't. I'm a console gamer that loves mmo pvp specifically but pvp in general so metal gear online , battlefront , street fighter 5 are on my current wish list for pvp until another mmo comes along or eso introduced arenas or something similar ( small groups , instanced pvp )

Tommy1979AtWar · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Text chat is definitely needed for a multitude of reasons, I've yet to see a valid argument as to why it was removed from the port to console in the first place and I'm tired of hearing the same "but using the controller to type is a pain" response from mostly people whom don't even own a console.
I don't know why it's assumed in this day and age that consoles don't support keyboards but it's a common misconception because they DO!!, both wired and bluetooth folks and they have for a long time now.

Communication is a massive part of every MMORPG so please Zenimax, give us text chat options because voice chat whilst beneficial in lots of situations is ruining immersion in others.

Funkopotamus · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Text chat is already coded in the console.. It is just disabled! Have you ever seen this error pop up on your screen when logging into ESO on your console?

EsoUI/Ingame/ChatSytem/Console/GamepadChatSytem.Iua:460:
attempt to index a nil value
Stack traceback:
EsoUI/Ingame/ChatSytem/Console/GamepadChatSytem.Iua:460:
Function 'ZO_GamepadChatSystem:Minimize'
EsoUI/Ingame/Scenes/IngameFragments.Iua:381: in function
'ZO_MinimizeChatFragments:slow
EsoUI/Libraries/ZO Scene/ZO SceneFragment.Iua:124: in function

Also straight from the code you can read the green DEV comments... It is plain to see it is there, but is not "Turned on"
See here!.. Read the Dev comments under the code lines...
http://esodata.uesp.net/100010/src/ingame/chatsystem/console/gamepadchatsystem.lua.html

Chieve · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

In all honesty idc where the text chat is any more, as long as we have the option.

@NewBlacksmurf although we do come to a disagreement I do like a lot of your compromise ideas that I think will work well, and just want to acknoledge that I read your thoughts of the matter and I would definitely go with your idea, I just want something lol

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Text chat is already coded in the console.. It is just disabled! Have you ever seen this error pop up on your screen when logging into ESO on your console?

EsoUI/Ingame/ChatSytem/Console/GamepadChatSytem.Iua:460:
attempt to index a nil value
Stack traceback:
EsoUI/Ingame/ChatSytem/Console/GamepadChatSytem.Iua:460:
Function 'ZO_GamepadChatSystem:Minimize'
EsoUI/Ingame/Scenes/IngameFragments.Iua:381: in function
'ZO_MinimizeChatFragments:slow
EsoUI/Libraries/ZO Scene/ZO SceneFragment.Iua:124: in function

Also straight from the code you can read the green DEV comments... It is plain to see it is there, but is not "Turned on"
See here!.. Read the Dev comments under the code lines...
http://esodata.uesp.net/100010/src/ingame/chatsystem/console/gamepadchatsystem.lua.html

Out of curiosity what programming language is this? I always wondered what game developers used to program their code

Alucardo · September 2015

Chieve wrote: »

Out of curiosity what programming language is this? I always wondered what game developers used to program their code

It's Lua. A lot of MMOs utilise it primarily for their UI stuff (even WoW does).

PinoZino · September 2015

Chieve wrote: »

Out of curiosity what programming language is this? I always wondered what game developers used to program their code

That's Lua. But I'm pretty sure they used other programming languages as well.

Popular languages for game developing are:

C++, Java, C, Assembler. But other languages are used too, like VB.net, c# and others.

Stuff like Lua and Python are mostly used for gameplay scripting.

Hammy01 · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

nbksaske wrote: »

I dont get the problem with a mic, just talk to each other fgs lol

I don't think actually talking is the issue most of us have with a voice only system (consoles). The issue is that with the limited voice system we have you can rarely find anyone to group up with let alone talk to. I guess you could hang out around the crafting halls and chat up some peeps but most of the people there are only interested in selling their goods and not grouping up for pve or pvp.

ESO just feels kind of lifeless without a zone wide text chat system. Having text chat is just better for everyone, it makes it easier for those who are looking for a group for whatever to find one, crafters can advertise their good to the whole zone rather than just a few people who happen to be within range of area chat. Oh and those of us who have questions about something game related might actually get an answer via text chat!!

urkonse · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

urkonse wrote: »

also there is "Want to join my group" quick chat.....but why not "looking for group" and "looking for guild" and "recruiting for guild"...

Honestly, because ZOS feels they have provided a group finder tool for everyone to use even though no one on PC uses the darn thing and relies on text chat instead. As was noted in several other threads, voice chat could be improved in so many ways that it seems to be more of an excuse for removing text chat than a feature that is intended to replace it. Having chat channel titles, passwords or invite-only options, being able to see who is in the channel, etc. would make them far more usable and would help to justify the lack of text chat (although it is still needed regardless). In the end, ESO is an example of a mismanaged game that had good ideas during development but obviously ran out of funds and needed to be released in an incomplete state and has never really recovered.

but the thing is: IM NOT USING VOICE CHAT because speaking sucks. writing FTW

MrGrimey · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Either text chat, or a group finder that has a matchmaking lobby and LFG chat.... Seriously, how did they think we were going to find groups to run content on console?

MrGrimey · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

nbksaske wrote: »

I dont get the problem with a mic, just talk to each other fgs lol

It's the finding a group part... In the actual dungeon, everyone should have their mic in for quick communication

MrGrimey · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

9% of people that voted are pc players that don't want the devs to waste their time on text chat since it doesn't impact them whatsoever

symonator · September 2015

I'm a tank and can get random groups, but not often.
Always need a dps, got the heals and tank.
LFG: "Need dps for daily" - would work great

Nergie4242 · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

MrGrimey wrote: »

nbksaske wrote: »

I dont get the problem with a mic, just talk to each other fgs lol

It's the finding a group part... In the actual dungeon, everyone should have their mic in for quick communication

QFT

People dont want to do away with voice chat. They want to be able to form a group to be able to use it.

Sneaky-Snurr · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

I'm a PC player. I've found that @ZOS leaving out text chat in consoles in an MMORPG game to be the most ridiculous decision ever. This type of genre ultimately needs text chat in-game due to the nature of buying and selling among other things.
I fully support the move on implementing in-game text chat.

Chieve · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

I hope the add it into the next update, i cant believe they have been ignoring us on this issue for so long but on other topics they aknoledge that work os in the process, and i dont mean bugs, but rh5ey recently confirmed on a post that you can change your hair style along with other things

Leohpluridon · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

If they ignore this then that's just ridiculous. 90% is a huge number.
Bump

Belidos · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Leohpluridon wrote: »

If they ignore this then that's just ridiculous. 90% is a huge number.
Bump

While I totally agree that there should be a chat box on consoles, 90% of a forum poll is nothing near a huge number. It's a large number of a very small demographic, 162 votes in total, with 146 voting yes, that's 146 people out of thousands if not hundreds of thousands, not even 1% of the game population has voted. While it is very likely that in this case it is a reflection of overall desire, that's a no brainer, generally forum polls cannot be used to gauge an overall feeling for a community because it's only a tiny portion of the community have voted.

terrordactyl1971 · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Refusing to add text chat also discriminates against people who are deaf

I honestly can't understand why ZOS won't discuss this, either in the forums or on ESO live. They have obviously seen all of the posts on text chat and the group finder tool. It's unacceptable to make an MMO on console and then not offer a way for people to join up to play the dungeons.

It's almost such an amateur mistake, I can't really believe a big experienced company would do it. It's like making a soccer game and forgetting to code in the ball

Techlisp · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

As more and more friends stop playing, we need a text chat to hold everything together socially.

All those people running around might as well not be there with no text chat.

Vslatimoreb14_ESO · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

Duragon_Darko wrote: »

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

Why is this game even branded an mmo without text, local multiplayer online 4tl

I got a dumb warning for saying the truth before, but it seems like that's all they respond too. I've been in FFXIV for the last 2 weeks and I just logged into DCUO. To be honest, I've been done with ESO since last week, but these forums are amusing. A shame devs can ruin a game that would be so cool. DCUO is free for new comers, if you don't know. See you guys later.

Right? I'm not sure what possessed these devs to think they could reinvite the mmo wheel. I gave them leeway because hey its their first..but its like they want the game to burn. They keep making huge strides in bad game making decisions. Veteran ranks.. Champion system...no auction house..no text chat for consoles and then they claim pride for having promoxty chat on consoles? Why? It's embarrassing when f2p expansions get better rating than a b2p.

Anyway just in case they get with it. I voted.

Fat-Larry-Makes-All · September 2015

No for a chat box

Or, you could just buy a mic and stop being so insecure about how you sound to other people...? Text chat on consoles is worthless, takes way too long to type out sentences. I can text type pretty fast on PS thanks to gran turismo 5, but still, way too slow.

Mait3rz · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

No for a chat box
Or, you could just buy a mic and stop being so insecure about how you sound to other people...? Text chat on consoles is worthless, takes way too long to type out sentences. I can text type pretty fast on PS thanks to gran turismo 5, but still, way too slow.

Both ps and Xbox have apps for your smartphone where you can use the keyboard, and both you can plug a keyboard in. It's not about just getting on the mic and talking, it's about how bad the voice system is, you can only be in one at a time. Which means communication with 5 guilds group and area is always limited. Text chat would allow communication with all at once. It would bring everybody closer together as a community, communication is key to an MMO and on console it's very limited. The guild I run I already have to do most of my messaging using Xbox live, it works but it's a complete pain. I want to ask a few guild members if they fancy doing a dungeon but they're not on guild chat, possibly in another guild chat or a group chat. I have to send each one an individual Xbox live message. It's a nightmare.

Voice chat is perfect for group play, not for 5 X 500 member guilds, group and area chat all at once. It doesn't work.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No for a chat box

Well Xbox one now offers party chat for 12 ppl with a text chat option via snap
Not sure if PS4 can do this but options exist

Game on

Tommy1979AtWar · September 2015

Yes for a chat box

@Fat-Larry-Makes-All... You can plug a USB keyboard into a PS4.