ESO+ Members Should Get to Jump Ahead of Non-ESO+ Members in the PvP Queue

LordSemaj · September 2015

No

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Dont see a real reason to do this. Investing $60 into the game should let people have equal access. Paying $30 for DLC should give equal access. Subbing is just putting yourself on a budget where others pay as they go.

+1

Sithisvoid · September 2015

Yes

Eleusian wrote: »

How bout they do not have new content locked behind PVP campaigns that have a pop lock. That's the real issue

Yeah funny thing about that, change servers. I don't wait in the queue at all.

remilafo · September 2015

Other

although i agree that ESO+ benefits are seriously not worth while what your suggesting would actually make being ESO+ worse..

It occurs to me you are not thinking long term.

Cyrodil has a population limit... Even if it is populated with 100% eso+ members eventually ESO+ members will wait in queue also and non-eso+ members will never get in.

It just sounds like you hate the queue as we all do but your idea isn't very well thought out.

MikeB · September 2015

Yes

I've made it inside my factions main campaign twice, both times after 6+ hours of waiting. I dont have this kind of time to wait and I bet there are plenty more just like me, therefore wasted money on this DLC. I guess since people have twisted ideas of P2W I should be punished for being a loyal customer who has spent well over $500 on this game in the 3 months its been out on console. Guess I'll just ask for a refund on this DLC since I cant access he campaign that I find fun.

LordSemaj · September 2015

No

MikeB wrote: »

I dont know why all you people are saying this would make it P2W when it clearly would not. You're not paying to win anything, this doesnt make your character stronger than anyone else's. It doesnt provide you with an advantage over anyone else in PvP or PvE. The only thing it would do is provide those loyal to the game a reward for their loyalty.

Pay to Win: Is where you can purchase a competitive advantage over someone else through a microtransaction (or even not so micro) and a similar advantage could not be got with a reasonable amount of time, effort, and/or skill otherwise.

This does not provide you with a competitive advantage.

Strange how you don't consider access to the campaign at all a competitive advantage over being unable to grind for points and gear or assist your faction in winning because you're stuck in a two hour non-subscriber queue, especially now that IC has launched and queue times have multiplied.

Pay money for a DLC that you can't reasonably use unless you pay more money. Sensible.

MikeB wrote: »

I've made it inside my factions main campaign twice, both times after 6+ hours of waiting. I dont have this kind of time to wait and I bet there are plenty more just like me, therefore wasted money on this DLC. I guess since people have twisted ideas of P2W I should be punished for being a loyal customer who has spent well over $500 on this game in the 3 months its been out on console. Guess I'll just ask for a refund on this DLC since I cant access he campaign that I find fun.

In fact, if it takes you as an equal opportunity player this long to get into the campaign, how much longer would non-subscribers take? Ergo, DLC is worthless for non-subscribers and sales drop drastically because the game is no longer pay what you want but "give us all your money".

MikeB · September 2015

Yes

LordSemaj wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

I dont know why all you people are saying this would make it P2W when it clearly would not. You're not paying to win anything, this doesnt make your character stronger than anyone else's. It doesnt provide you with an advantage over anyone else in PvP or PvE. The only thing it would do is provide those loyal to the game a reward for their loyalty.

Pay to Win: Is where you can purchase a competitive advantage over someone else through a microtransaction (or even not so micro) and a similar advantage could not be got with a reasonable amount of time, effort, and/or skill otherwise.

This does not provide you with a competitive advantage.

Strange how you don't consider access to the campaign at all a competitive advantage over being unable to grind for points and gear or assist your faction in winning because you're stuck in a two hour non-subscriber queue, especially now that IC has launched and queue times have multiplied.

Pay money for a DLC that you can't reasonably use unless you pay more money. Sensible.

You can grind for anything that drops in IC outside of IC. Vet Dungeons drop the game gear sets that you can get inside IC and provde the same points you can get inside IC. Again its not P2W.

LordSemaj · September 2015

No

MikeB wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

I dont know why all you people are saying this would make it P2W when it clearly would not. You're not paying to win anything, this doesnt make your character stronger than anyone else's. It doesnt provide you with an advantage over anyone else in PvP or PvE. The only thing it would do is provide those loyal to the game a reward for their loyalty.

Pay to Win: Is where you can purchase a competitive advantage over someone else through a microtransaction (or even not so micro) and a similar advantage could not be got with a reasonable amount of time, effort, and/or skill otherwise.

This does not provide you with a competitive advantage.

Strange how you don't consider access to the campaign at all a competitive advantage over being unable to grind for points and gear or assist your faction in winning because you're stuck in a two hour non-subscriber queue, especially now that IC has launched and queue times have multiplied.

Pay money for a DLC that you can't reasonably use unless you pay more money. Sensible.

You can grind for anything that drops in IC outside of IC. Vet Dungeons drop the game gear sets that you can get inside IC and provde the same points you can get inside IC. Again its not P2W.

Oh my mistake, could you direct me to which dungeon allows you to grind for Alliance Points?

Or heck, capture a keep? Or engage in PVP at all? Since defeating your opponents in battle is very definition of winning, you kind of need access to opponents to battle.

eventide03b14a_ESO · September 2015

This should have been a closed poll. There is no reason people needed to see how each person voted.

RatedChaotic · September 2015

No

Just because I dont have ESO+ doesnt mean that I dont use the crown store as much as plus members. I just choose not to pay monthly. I know peeps still waiting for crowns since release. Because its broken. So no for me.

Pallmor · September 2015

As someone who isn't into PvP, I don't really care either way.

In fact, I'm not sure why I'm every replying to this. Probably because I'm bored and lonely. Yep, that's definitely it.

NordJitsu · September 2015

No

Also a Plus member...

This is a horrible idea. ZOS promised the game would be buy to play with all content available to you. ESO Plus is supposed to be "extras" only.

If they start doing things like this, which make the game harder to enjoy for Non-Plus members, people will leave.

LoreRiley · September 2015

No

No, you alrwady get $15 worth of crowns and some bonus boosts on top.

Stop being greedy

Tannakaobi · September 2015

Yes

Dunno, really.

I thought yes, but then thinking about it, have people not already paid for it by buying the DLC in the first place. So probably not.

urkonse · September 2015

No

Never!! queues are already too long! (usually 1h+) that would make un.eso+ players impossible to join most wanted campaigns!

MikeB · September 2015

Yes

LordSemaj wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

I dont know why all you people are saying this would make it P2W when it clearly would not. You're not paying to win anything, this doesnt make your character stronger than anyone else's. It doesnt provide you with an advantage over anyone else in PvP or PvE. The only thing it would do is provide those loyal to the game a reward for their loyalty.

Pay to Win: Is where you can purchase a competitive advantage over someone else through a microtransaction (or even not so micro) and a similar advantage could not be got with a reasonable amount of time, effort, and/or skill otherwise.

This does not provide you with a competitive advantage.

Strange how you don't consider access to the campaign at all a competitive advantage over being unable to grind for points and gear or assist your faction in winning because you're stuck in a two hour non-subscriber queue, especially now that IC has launched and queue times have multiplied.

Pay money for a DLC that you can't reasonably use unless you pay more money. Sensible.

You can grind for anything that drops in IC outside of IC. Vet Dungeons drop the game gear sets that you can get inside IC and provde the same points you can get inside IC. Again its not P2W.

Oh my mistake, could you direct me to which dungeon allows you to grind for Alliance Points?

Or heck, capture a keep? Or engage in PVP at all? Since defeating your opponents in battle is very definition of winning, you kind of need access to opponents to battle.

You just said points, how was I supposed to know you mean AP? Also last I checked AP gear is out dated and TV gear is worst than PvE gear that drops in Vet dungeons. So why are you farming for AP at all or TV for junk PvP gear?

CtrlAltDlt · September 2015

Yes, shorter loading screens

Tandor · September 2015

No

In a sense it doesn't bother me either way as I don't PvP, however I do think on principle it is wrong to put someone who pays a fixed sub ahead in a queue of someone who may actually pay more in the Crown Store. I agree there need to be additional benefits to being an ESO+ member, just not one related to queue-jumping.

Eagleheart · September 2015

No

ESO+ member here also, and a definite NO on my side.

I'm going to quit my subscription if ESO keeps discriminating like this between paying members and non-paying ones (that "ONLY" had to buy the game already).

I know the guys need money to develop this game, and that is the 1st reason why I even have a membership (I never even went to IC yet, and the crown store items kinda suck). But this discrimination is terrible, if we keep it up next thing you know paying member deal 2x damage. What the hell?

MOTIVATE people to support you, don't FORCE them. You could do like indie games and have a poll for roadmap features, and ask people to donate to get features implemented faster. That's the most civilised money-raising way there is.

Gilvoth · September 2015

Yes

i think its a great idea and a good start.
paying $14.99 a month should give me more then what is currently being offered.

Rosveen · September 2015

Yes

remilafo wrote: »

Cyrodil has a population limit... Even if it is populated with 100% eso+ members eventually ESO+ members will wait in queue also and non-eso+ members will never get in.

If it's possible for a player to never get inside Cyrodiil at all, the problem isn't priority queueing, it's the population cap across all campaigns.

SHADOW2KK · September 2015

Yes

terrordactyl1971 wrote: »

I kinda agree.

I know in Battlefield 4 that premium members get the jump on queues, that works well. There really should be a queue advantage if you are investing $10 per month into the franchise

Exactly this, and as I have previously stated in other threads - in comparison with Premium for BF3/4, the "bonuses" are laughable and so woeful, compared to Premium where you get all dlc, and regular content drops, plus priority queueing.

ESO Plus needs to get a grip IMO.

failkiwib16_ESO · September 2015

Other

It sounds rediculous to me to prohibit content to players after taking their money for it. My suggestion is that we get more servers, with less lag.

Everyone should have equally access to what they have payed for.

Edit: I can see I pressed other, I wanted to press no! >.<

LordSemaj · September 2015

No

MikeB wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

LordSemaj wrote: »

MikeB wrote: »

I dont know why all you people are saying this would make it P2W when it clearly would not. You're not paying to win anything, this doesnt make your character stronger than anyone else's. It doesnt provide you with an advantage over anyone else in PvP or PvE. The only thing it would do is provide those loyal to the game a reward for their loyalty.

Pay to Win: Is where you can purchase a competitive advantage over someone else through a microtransaction (or even not so micro) and a similar advantage could not be got with a reasonable amount of time, effort, and/or skill otherwise.

This does not provide you with a competitive advantage.

Strange how you don't consider access to the campaign at all a competitive advantage over being unable to grind for points and gear or assist your faction in winning because you're stuck in a two hour non-subscriber queue, especially now that IC has launched and queue times have multiplied.

Pay money for a DLC that you can't reasonably use unless you pay more money. Sensible.

You can grind for anything that drops in IC outside of IC. Vet Dungeons drop the game gear sets that you can get inside IC and provde the same points you can get inside IC. Again its not P2W.

Oh my mistake, could you direct me to which dungeon allows you to grind for Alliance Points?

Or heck, capture a keep? Or engage in PVP at all? Since defeating your opponents in battle is very definition of winning, you kind of need access to opponents to battle.

You just said points, how was I supposed to know you mean AP? Also last I checked AP gear is out dated and TV gear is worst than PvE gear that drops in Vet dungeons. So why are you farming for AP at all or TV for junk PvP gear?

Hmmm, I wonder... maybe perhaps for the 50 skill points you can only get through leveling your PVP rank? The alliance abilities that so many use outside of it? Or as previously mentioned, which you summarily dismissed, ACTUALLY PVPING.

Your proposition is that only subscribers are permitted to PVP at all, seeing how if it takes you 6+ hours now, imagine how long it would be after your recommendation.

Thankfully there is no rational business move being presented here. Any current subscribers would not be offering any more money than they already do while non-subscribers would be royally peeved at being denied access to battlefields during peak times. The only perceivable result here is a loss of income.

nimander99 · September 2015

Other

The benefits are next to worthless for a max level player and I wish I would've just voted yes but I messed up.

Tandor · September 2015

No

Eagleheart wrote: »

ESO+ member here also, and a definite NO on my side.

I'm going to quit my subscription if ESO keeps discriminating like this between paying members and non-paying ones (that "ONLY" had to buy the game already).

I know the guys need money to develop this game, and that is the 1st reason why I even have a membership (I never even went to IC yet, and the crown store items kinda suck). But this discrimination is terrible, if we keep it up next thing you know paying member deal 2x damage. What the hell?

MOTIVATE people to support you, don't FORCE them. You could do like indie games and have a poll for roadmap features, and ask people to donate to get features implemented faster. That's the most civilised money-raising way there is.

"if ESO keeps discriminating like this"

How are ZOS discriminating at present? Have I got the wrong end of the stick? I thought this was a player's suggestion. If not, where have ZOS suggested it and on top of what other unacceptable discriminations?

myrrrorb14_ESO · September 2015

No

Upon reflection I wish I had voted other. People who purchase the DLC should get priority over subs.

They are already getting the income from subs without providing much benefit. They need to entice people to spend more money. Buy the DLC and you will get priority access would sell big.

LordSemaj · September 2015

No

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Upon reflection I wish I had voted other. People who purchase the DLC should get priority over subs.

Now that I'm totally okay with. I didn't even buy IC, I have access through my ESO Plus, so having people ahead because they actually bought the DLC would be fair as there are both subscribers and non-subscribers in that mix.

MikeB · September 2015

Yes

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Upon reflection I wish I had voted other. People who purchase the DLC should get priority over subs.

They are already getting the income from subs without providing much benefit. They need to entice people to spend more money. Buy the DLC and you will get priority access would sell big.

I'd be more happy with this, because I bought the DLC.

Rosveen · September 2015

Yes

I understand the point about locking people out of DLC they paid for. I'm curious if the reaction would be the same without IC in the picture, only regular Cyrodiil queue? Would it be okay to prioritize subs then? What if there was only one campaign per server instead of several?

7788b14_ESO · September 2015

Yes

If people are willing to pay a sub they should get perks. It's not P2W it's pay to get in faster.