myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

If he's playing a Templar its possible. Very possible.

Its a well thought out build that is played very well with excellent gear. It is not an exploit since he is using the skills as written and not abusing a programming error.

Minno wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Would someone explain how my fully charged heavy attack against an EP player could do 40 damage...

EDIT: Additional info, it was not a VR16 toon. I believe it was VR9 or 10..

If it's a Templar whose name begins with a G, it's the same player as our favorite Sorcerer whose name begins with a B.

Assuming he's a "boy" and not a man?

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I havent seen this for myself, so cannot say for certain. But if he is running it like I think, then soft cc would have no effect and hard cc would have a minor effect. The passives are pretty strong and synergetic.

Hes been reported, so zos will look into it. If they find an exploit he will be dealt with. If not, nothing will happen until a bunch of people start doing the same thing.

Looks like you guys have a strategy. Kill the adds (his allies) first. I would try hard cc and healing debuffs. Stay at range as much as possible. Debuff armor and spell resist depending on what you use.

Recremen wrote: »

(...) he's a Vampire Argonian Templar who keeps the damage reduction even while channeling jabs, so I don't think that's it. Never mind that he can do it while all alone and without a friendly standard or veil for miles.

Randir_Lom wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

No idea who the guy is or how he's exploiting, but if you want this fixed, publish his exploit methods so that anyone can use them.

Once they are public knowledge and everyone abuses them, ZOS will come in and fix them.

Because posting an exploit is a ban here in the forums.
To those who post them, not to those who use them.
Makes perfect sense to me.....

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

If he's playing a Templar its possible. Very possible.

Its a well thought out build that is played very well with excellent gear. It is not an exploit since he is using the skills as written and not abusing a programming error.

RoxyPhoenix wrote: »

I play on EU so I don't even know the guy, but I have been fascinated by this for some time. After I saw a vid of him doing this post IC patch I couldn't helped myself and tried to figure out the trick. I did some investigation and come up with some interesting results. Although I failed to reproduce the effect maybe the clues I got will help others to pursue this deeper and eventually discover how it works.

My investigation is related only to his sorc build as I haven't seen him doing it on his templar yet. All the information I got comes from countless threads on this forum concerning his actions, youtube videos and their comments. Also nothing I mention here should be taken for granted as all this is simply speculation. But this is what I know so far:

1: I believe this mitigation trick comes from a broken game mechanic which is a result of an items/skill combination. The reason I say "broken" despite that both ZOS and the player in question said that it is nothing more then a smart build, is because all the top players, theorycrafters and community warriors failed to reproduce this effect as well as the fact that there is no officially known game data that could potentially be the source of this trick. Simply saying, if you go through all the skills, all the gear and all the possible combinations, there is nothing in the game that would render such an effect. If it is, it his hidden from the public knowledge, thus I say its broken.

2: From the information I gathered this is limited to a sorcerer and a templar, this is because these are the only classes with channeled skills and most of the long casting skills then other. I believe this is not the core of the issue here but it significantly boost up the main trick.

3: This incredible mitigation that this player is achieving is not permanent, there are spikes where you will do normal damage to him, or at least slightly reduced damage, however this doesn't happen often, as he makes sure his trick stays on most of the time.

4: It seems a vampire and Light of Cyrodill set is a must for this, but again it is not the trick core, this servers as another boost.

I went in to analyzing the videos the player posted on youtube and I believe I got somewhere near to discovering the secret. I believe the mitigation hes acquiring comes from four main elements of his build.


- mitigation he gets from gear [physical/spell resistances]
- mitigation from LoC set
- mitigation from undeath passive.
- - "mitigation buff"

I believe this "mitigiation buff" is the core of the trick, it is undocumented short time buff that gives him well above 60-70% damage reduction from all sources. It lasts anything from 3 sec to 30 sec. I believe it is a proc effect, that triggers only when the player is engaging combat, more precisely when he attacks other players. When I watched his videos I noticed his health bar starts glowing as soon he makes an attack, tho he blurred it out you can see the buff kicks in and the bar starts to glow:



During that period his mitigation is increased by a lot, a really lot. When the buff is not active he takes normal damage, thus he is using LoC set and channeled skills to maintain damage reduction, as well as undeath passive. Now, all off this stack with this buff, resulting in a damage mitigation getting closed to 98% when on low health. The only way to kill him then is to perma CC him when the buff is not active, but the moment he fights back, the buff kicks in and it his mitigation skyrockets.

I do not know any item/set combo that would grant such an effect, but I'm pretty sure this is his trick, that buff combined with LoC set/channels as well with undeath passive is what makes him virtually unkillable.

Recremen wrote: »

RoxyPhoenix wrote: »

I play on EU so I don't even know the guy, but I have been fascinated by this for some time. After I saw a vid of him doing this post IC patch I couldn't helped myself and tried to figure out the trick. I did some investigation and come up with some interesting results. Although I failed to reproduce the effect maybe the clues I got will help others to pursue this deeper and eventually discover how it works.

My investigation is related only to his sorc build as I haven't seen him doing it on his templar yet. All the information I got comes from countless threads on this forum concerning his actions, youtube videos and their comments. Also nothing I mention here should be taken for granted as all this is simply speculation. But this is what I know so far:

1: I believe this mitigation trick comes from a broken game mechanic which is a result of an items/skill combination. The reason I say "broken" despite that both ZOS and the player in question said that it is nothing more then a smart build, is because all the top players, theorycrafters and community warriors failed to reproduce this effect as well as the fact that there is no officially known game data that could potentially be the source of this trick. Simply saying, if you go through all the skills, all the gear and all the possible combinations, there is nothing in the game that would render such an effect. If it is, it his hidden from the public knowledge, thus I say its broken.

2: From the information I gathered this is limited to a sorcerer and a templar, this is because these are the only classes with channeled skills and most of the long casting skills then other. I believe this is not the core of the issue here but it significantly boost up the main trick.

3: This incredible mitigation that this player is achieving is not permanent, there are spikes where you will do normal damage to him, or at least slightly reduced damage, however this doesn't happen often, as he makes sure his trick stays on most of the time.

4: It seems a vampire and Light of Cyrodill set is a must for this, but again it is not the trick core, this servers as another boost.

I went in to analyzing the videos the player posted on youtube and I believe I got somewhere near to discovering the secret. I believe the mitigation hes acquiring comes from four main elements of his build.


- mitigation he gets from gear [physical/spell resistances]
- mitigation from LoC set
- mitigation from undeath passive.
- - "mitigation buff"

I believe this "mitigiation buff" is the core of the trick, it is undocumented short time buff that gives him well above 60-70% damage reduction from all sources. It lasts anything from 3 sec to 30 sec. I believe it is a proc effect, that triggers only when the player is engaging combat, more precisely when he attacks other players. When I watched his videos I noticed his health bar starts glowing as soon he makes an attack, tho he blurred it out you can see the buff kicks in and the bar starts to glow:



During that period his mitigation is increased by a lot, a really lot. When the buff is not active he takes normal damage, thus he is using LoC set and channeled skills to maintain damage reduction, as well as undeath passive. Now, all off this stack with this buff, resulting in a damage mitigation getting closed to 98% when on low health. The only way to kill him then is to perma CC him when the buff is not active, but the moment he fights back, the buff kicks in and it his mitigation skyrockets.

I do not know any item/set combo that would grant such an effect, but I'm pretty sure this is his trick, that buff combined with LoC set/channels as well with undeath passive is what makes him virtually unkillable.

Using Empowering Sweep in large groups causes a huge amount of mitigation and last something like 8 seconds for only 72 ultimate. I'm pretty sure that's the key, and I'm pretty sure that's stacking with the Undeath passive in unintended ways. Unless it is intended, in which case everyone should do this until it becomes "unintended".

Recremen wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

RoxyPhoenix wrote: »

I play on EU so I don't even know the guy, but I have been fascinated by this for some time. After I saw a vid of him doing this post IC patch I couldn't helped myself and tried to figure out the trick. I did some investigation and come up with some interesting results. Although I failed to reproduce the effect maybe the clues I got will help others to pursue this deeper and eventually discover how it works.

My investigation is related only to his sorc build as I haven't seen him doing it on his templar yet. All the information I got comes from countless threads on this forum concerning his actions, youtube videos and their comments. Also nothing I mention here should be taken for granted as all this is simply speculation. But this is what I know so far:

1: I believe this mitigation trick comes from a broken game mechanic which is a result of an items/skill combination. The reason I say "broken" despite that both ZOS and the player in question said that it is nothing more then a smart build, is because all the top players, theorycrafters and community warriors failed to reproduce this effect as well as the fact that there is no officially known game data that could potentially be the source of this trick. Simply saying, if you go through all the skills, all the gear and all the possible combinations, there is nothing in the game that would render such an effect. If it is, it his hidden from the public knowledge, thus I say its broken.

2: From the information I gathered this is limited to a sorcerer and a templar, this is because these are the only classes with channeled skills and most of the long casting skills then other. I believe this is not the core of the issue here but it significantly boost up the main trick.

3: This incredible mitigation that this player is achieving is not permanent, there are spikes where you will do normal damage to him, or at least slightly reduced damage, however this doesn't happen often, as he makes sure his trick stays on most of the time.

4: It seems a vampire and Light of Cyrodill set is a must for this, but again it is not the trick core, this servers as another boost.

I went in to analyzing the videos the player posted on youtube and I believe I got somewhere near to discovering the secret. I believe the mitigation hes acquiring comes from four main elements of his build.


- mitigation he gets from gear [physical/spell resistances]
- mitigation from LoC set
- mitigation from undeath passive.
- - "mitigation buff"

I believe this "mitigiation buff" is the core of the trick, it is undocumented short time buff that gives him well above 60-70% damage reduction from all sources. It lasts anything from 3 sec to 30 sec. I believe it is a proc effect, that triggers only when the player is engaging combat, more precisely when he attacks other players. When I watched his videos I noticed his health bar starts glowing as soon he makes an attack, tho he blurred it out you can see the buff kicks in and the bar starts to glow:



During that period his mitigation is increased by a lot, a really lot. When the buff is not active he takes normal damage, thus he is using LoC set and channeled skills to maintain damage reduction, as well as undeath passive. Now, all off this stack with this buff, resulting in a damage mitigation getting closed to 98% when on low health. The only way to kill him then is to perma CC him when the buff is not active, but the moment he fights back, the buff kicks in and it his mitigation skyrockets.

I do not know any item/set combo that would grant such an effect, but I'm pretty sure this is his trick, that buff combined with LoC set/channels as well with undeath passive is what makes him virtually unkillable.

Using Empowering Sweep in large groups causes a huge amount of mitigation and last something like 8 seconds for only 72 ultimate. I'm pretty sure that's the key, and I'm pretty sure that's stacking with the Undeath passive in unintended ways. Unless it is intended, in which case everyone should do this until it becomes "unintended".

You are 100% wrong. Its not the Tempalr Ultimate. He has the dmg mitgation perma

I'm pretty sure I saw him using it but lol OK I'll be over here staying 100% wrong.