Heavy attack for 40 damage against a player...?

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Would someone explain how my fully charged heavy attack against an EP player could do 40 damage...

EDIT: Additional info, it was not a VR16 toon. I believe it was VR9 or 10..
Edited by Crown on September 19, 2015 11:28PM
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    Crown wrote: »
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    Would someone explain how my fully charged heavy attack against an EP player could do 40 damage...

    EDIT: Additional info, it was not a VR16 toon. I believe it was VR9 or 10..

    He probably had a damage shield up which got reduced first.
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  • Crown
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    My combat log had about 30 of those over a one minute period trying to kill him...
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    Lightming staff heavy attack against a blocking nord vamp dk at low health with capped spell resist and a lot of CP?
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    Fire staff heavy.
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    Here's a funnel on him (continuous for 30 seconds, same numbers):

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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    How much damage does your funnel usually do? If I didn't miscalculate and all damage debuffs are working as they should, I end up with a maximum of 98% damage reduction if the attacker doesn't have any CPs in increased attack damage.
    So if you do less then 5k damage with funnel against a naked npc everything is fine. (He should be able to deal any noticable damage such a tanky build).
    Edited by lolo_01b16_ESO on September 20, 2015 12:35AM
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    There is a player who seem to mitigate quite a lot of damage. More than others I have seen doing recently. Either he has a superb build or something else. Anyways, he seems to be able to tank quit.e a lot. I think he is just vr7-8. Anyways, I like to think he has found a very good build until someone proves me wrong.
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  • Crown
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    @lolo_01b16_ESO My funnels hit the guy beside him for about 7.4k (non-crit).
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    How much damage does your funnel usually do? If I didn't miscalculate and all damage debuffs are working as they should, I end up with a maximum of 98% damage reduction if the attacker doesn't have any CPs in increased attack damage.
    So if you do less then 5k damage with funnel against a naked npc everything is fine. (He should be able to deal any noticable damage such a tanky build).
    How do you get to 98% reduction?
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    Sanct16 wrote: »
    How much damage does your funnel usually do? If I didn't miscalculate and all damage debuffs are working as they should, I end up with a maximum of 98% damage reduction if the attacker doesn't have any CPs in increased attack damage.
    So if you do less then 5k damage with funnel against a naked npc everything is fine. (He should be able to deal any noticable damage such a tanky build).
    How do you get to 98% reduction?

    If you theorycrafted from the perspective of giving up everything, I MEAN EVERYTHING, for taking as little damage as possible it could probably be done with a nord.
    Edited by timidobserver on September 20, 2015 2:45AM
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    He's VR6 and we all know his name. Dude has some kind of superlizard build going on. Probably in the same vein as the well-known Sorc (obvi a different build because he's a Templar) in that it's not really in line with the intended game design, but since it's working within the rules of the system nothing will be done about it until they figure out exactly what's happening. Anyone try the Shielbreaker set on him yet? I'll let y'all know if I figure anything out.
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    I actually reported that guy yesterday, first time I've been bothered to send a report in on someone. Just got sick of fighting him. I've fought him multiple times everyday for the last week, and it's the same story every time. I have 4k spell power buffed. The highest my funnel health has crit on him was 500 damage instead of 7,000. He had no shields up at the time and this is with him at full health so he wasn't even getting the undeath passive. It's the same story with physical damage to.

    The worst thing is he plays amongst other EP players that are playing the objective. It requires 10 people to focus him for 3 minutes to kill him and meanwhile he is spamming breath of life on all the EP that are near him. It completely changes the outcome of fights. We all have to ignore him and kill the other EP and out DPS his heals on them and leave him until last. The other day he was repairing walls behind us etc and can't be killed. Resurrects EP. Continuously sets up siege on the scroll. If there is something annoying an unkillable player can do, he'll do it. Gets old fast.

    Oh and if you do kill him without him mist forming away, he comes back to life with phoenix set GG.

    Zos will probably come to the conclusion that 'he's just a good player'.
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    Sanct16 wrote: »
    How much damage does your funnel usually do? If I didn't miscalculate and all damage debuffs are working as they should, I end up with a maximum of 98% damage reduction if the attacker doesn't have any CPs in increased attack damage.
    So if you do less then 5k damage with funnel against a naked npc everything is fine. (He should be able to deal any noticable damage such a tanky build).
    How do you get to 98% reduction?

    Was just theorycrafting, maybe it doesn't work, but I was thinking of this:

    Battle spirit * Armour hard cap * Blocking * DK * Footman * Defensive Stance * Reactive armour * Circle of Protection * Nord * Minor Maim on opponent * 100 Cp in damage reduction, while the opponent has non in increased damage

    =.5*.5*.5*.9*.88*.92*.65*.92*.94*.85*.75 = 3.26%

    Add a Veil, a Standart, being a vampire at low health or replace blocking with mist for and you'll and up at about 2% damage taken.

    Btw. Standing in your own standart and in a friendly veil in mist form at low health you would end up with 0.6% damage taken.
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    Sanct16 wrote: »
    How much damage does your funnel usually do? If I didn't miscalculate and all damage debuffs are working as they should, I end up with a maximum of 98% damage reduction if the attacker doesn't have any CPs in increased attack damage.
    So if you do less then 5k damage with funnel against a naked npc everything is fine. (He should be able to deal any noticable damage such a tanky build).
    How do you get to 98% reduction?

    Was just theorycrafting, maybe it doesn't work, but I was thinking of this:

    Battle spirit * Armour hard cap * Blocking * DK * Footman * Defensive Stance * Reactive armour * Circle of Protection * Nord * Minor Maim on opponent * 100 Cp in damage reduction, while the opponent has non in increased damage

    =.5*.5*.5*.9*.88*.92*.65*.92*.94*.85*.75 = 3.26%

    Add a Veil, a Standart, being a vampire at low health or replace blocking with mist for and you'll and up at about 2% damage taken.

    Btw. Standing in your own standart and in a friendly veil in mist form at low health you would end up with 0.6% damage taken.

    Interesting idea, but he's a Vampire Argonian Templar who keeps the damage reduction even while channeling jabs, so I don't think that's it. Never mind that he can do it while all alone and without a friendly standard or veil for miles.
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  • Forestd16b14_ESO
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    Seems like some one cried to ZOS about heavy attacks.
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    Cyrodiil light + empowering sweep?
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    Crown wrote: »
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    Would someone explain how my fully charged heavy attack against an EP player could do 40 damage...

    EDIT: Additional info, it was not a VR16 toon. I believe it was VR9 or 10..

    If it's a Templar whose name begins with a G, it's the same player as our favorite Sorcerer whose name begins with a B.
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    You guys have to stop trying to theorycraft this, its an bug/exploit... call it whatever you want.
    The major problem about this is that ZOS does not punish players *** do this kind of stuff hard enough.

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    Edited by ZOS_Alex on September 20, 2015 8:22PM
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    He's exploiting... no point trying to explain it.

    ZOS know about it and do nothing about. No idea why.
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    Crown wrote: »
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    Would someone explain how my fully charged heavy attack against an EP player could do 40 damage...

    EDIT: Additional info, it was not a VR16 toon. I believe it was VR9 or 10..

    If it's a Templar whose name begins with a G, it's the same player as our favorite Sorcerer whose name begins with a B.

    Yeah I said that to the others who saw this templar "isn´t he very much like that sorc B". To be honest, I was little more amazed at his sorc because at least he did some damage. Now I see a pretty good healer templar with no escape but mistform. At least the templar dies. Hello B. I don´t judge you. Based on the time you have stayed in the game you must have some legit way to do this.
    Edited by Minnesinger on September 20, 2015 2:53PM
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    Cyrodiil light + empowering sweep?

    He wears a five piece phoenix. It would be impossible to have that set unless there is another exploit that allows him to have both.
    Edited by manny254 on September 20, 2015 3:11PM
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    ZOS needs to man up and permaban people when they have evidence from a wide range of players that are all not affiliated with each other.
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    manny254 wrote: »
    Cyrodiil light + empowering sweep?

    He wears a five piece phoenix. It would be impossible to have that set unless there is another exploit that allows him to have both.

    What if Cyro L. is active although he is not wearing it? *cough* Mundus exploit memories *cough*

    Somehow he stacks the mitigation without having the set on him.
    Edited by Alcast on September 20, 2015 3:50PM
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    Alcast wrote: »
    manny254 wrote: »
    Cyrodiil light + empowering sweep?

    He wears a five piece phoenix. It would be impossible to have that set unless there is another exploit that allows him to have both.

    What if Cyro L. is active although he is not wearing it? *cough* Mundus exploit memories *cough*

    Somehow he stacks the mitigation without having the set on him.

    I'm pretty sure it's some bug like this, yeah. I no more expect ZOS to ban this player for some armor switcharoo tricks than I do all those players who stacked Mundus stones, and there were a lot of them. If it were "legit hax" they're more likely to just go full out godmode instead, it's not like they're not already drawing scrutiny. So probably some armor trick mixed with skill tricks, idk. Very fascinating.
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    My PvE guild leader told me he could reach like 90% mitigation some how. With the damage nerf running ahead of all the mit I can see this happening.
    Edited by Armitas on September 20, 2015 8:08PM
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    I won't resub till that POS is banned.
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    SoulScream wrote: »
    I won't resub till that POS is banned.

    You will not resub until he is banned? Lol Zenimax has lost my sub for good.

    Our game has a problem? Lets try fix it and add 3 other problems with it...
    We have cheaters in game we know about? Sorry not going to permanently ban anyone who is paying us...
    There are ways to make our servers lag and make other players crash? Why dont you try to play on the other side of the map.
    There are skills and combinations to CC players while they have immunity? Just live with it.

    So many more reasons why players are quitting this game for good and why people are not subscribing.
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    Same problem, Crown against the same person. But he is not the only one who is using that exploit as the entire group that he runs with has not been taking any damage despite all the AoEs us Blueberries can muster. I don't mind a good fight but the exploits are destroying PVP. They have already killed some of the campaigns and are well on their way to killing the rest of the campaigns. No need to fight if you are being overran by the same 60 Cherries every time you try to recover your scroll keeps when you only have 10 people in the group and half of them quit due to frustration.
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    Same person, same ZOS stance, so all we can do in cyro is the same - ignore him until he's the last one. Somehow, he runs in a prominent EP pvp guild. If he was in my pvp guild, first I'd throw up a little in my mouth, then I'd direct some colorful language in guild chat at the GM before my /gquit.


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    Alcast wrote: »
    manny254 wrote: »
    Cyrodiil light + empowering sweep?

    He wears a five piece phoenix. It would be impossible to have that set unless there is another exploit that allows him to have both.

    What if Cyro L. is active although he is not wearing it? *cough* Mundus exploit memories *cough*

    Somehow he stacks the mitigation without having the set on him.

    Yes... not too difficult with certain gear swapping addons either.
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