The reward system in ESO sucks in many ways. They create beautiful dungeons and outdoor maps, and then get the absolutely idiotic idea that players should not get proper awards in these areas. The result is empty maps and dungeons. What a waste of beautiful design and graphics...

What was your level in relation to the dungeon and the rest of the group?

Now you had a group of 4 in the dungeon, right? Was the XP open world when you killed it on your own or with 4 people?

(I'm just trying to compare apples to apples, rather than apples to apple slices).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe they buffed PUBLIC dungeon XP in the update, not group dungeons.

Acrolas wrote: »

The mobs respawn so fast that the lower XP makes sense. The alternative is normal XP but slow respawn, which wouldn't make a dungeon feel nearly as dangerous.

You have this backwards. Dungeons mobs don't respawn at all, or respawn slowly, much more slowly than open world mobs. I am talking here about group dungeons...not public dungeons or delves.

Look, thought this was obvious. Dungeon mobs are harder than open world normal VR3 mobs. You need to form a group, and coordinate dps heals tank etc. Dungeons are strategic group-play, the kinda crown jewel gameplay of MMO PvE.

ESO dungeons are - imho - awesome. So why praytell would you discourage people from pursuing strategic group-play in beautiful dungeons, and instead push them into mindless solo AOE grinding in the open world.

Because that is precisely what the current reward system does. To wit, me. I want to group with others in a dungeon, but I also want to reach close to end-game so I can PvP in a more competitive manner. I'm VR3 and the best use of my time - by far - is to go mindlessly grind mobs in the open world, even tho I'd rather group with others for dungeons.

An MMO designed in this manner is shooting itself.

Acrolas wrote: »

The mobs respawn so fast that the lower XP makes sense. The alternative is normal XP but slow respawn, which wouldn't make a dungeon feel nearly as dangerous.

The mobs don't respawn in Group Dungeons like Banished Cells (which are instanced), only in Public and Solo dungeons (which are not instanced).

Dungeons do not equal delves. An important fact being missed in these arguments.

I couldn't agree more with the OP here. This talk of comparing 'apples with apples' by comparing a 4 man group doing (4 man) dungeon mobs against a 4 man group doing (solo) overworld mobs is nonsensical. Clearly we need to compare the experience of an individual playing the game in an organic manner.

The idea that banding together as a group to do the dungeons should yield substantially less rewards than bumbling around the overworld is completely ludicrous to me. It removes a huge amount of the fun from the leveling process and is a clear deterrent to new players. When someone runs a dungeon and thinks 'gee that was fun, I'd like to do more of that!' and then realizes 'oh actually I'm clearly not supposed to do that since it yields no rewards, I'm only allowed to run around the overworld on my own for the next 3-12 months of play' they're obviously going to be dissuaded.

Many (most, even) players love to run dungeons. They don't want to wait until VR16 to be allowed to enjoy them, they don't want to only be able to justify running each dungeon once 'for the skill point' and then never setting foot in it again, since they most likely quit when they realize they can't actually play with their friends.

If running dungeons gave competitive XP to running around doing quests, people would do a healthy mix of both. If there happens to be some 'exploit' in one dungeon or another enabling people to power level the hell out of their characters in there then who cares? Why is this important? I'll never understand effectively removing the part of the game I enjoy the most to stop a few people who clearly really want to get to VR16 getting to VR16. It has no effect whatsoever on the experience of the other players, its not screwing the economy, its not straining the servers, its not something that needs fixing. People are just getting what they want out of the game, and the response from ZOS is to take away not only what those people wanted, but what the majority of players want.

If its absolutely imperative to stop power levelers having fun (for whatever reason, I suppose there could exist a sensible reason for this besides desire to alienate the playerbase) then figure out a way to do it without crippling the leveling experience for all players - its the majority of the game for the majority of players, and the entirety of the game for all new players. Surely any player who likes dungeons would love to be able to include them as a substantial part of the leveling process.

The mobs shouldn't really matter. What should matter is overall XP in group dungeons, including he XP for bosses. It would be reasonable to keep mob XP low if they are making boss XP really high. This would make farming mobs in group dungeons pointless but would make the XP reasonable for the entire dungeon.

What is the XP from bosses?

In typical ZOS style, they fixed a real issue in the worst possible way.

Some of the dungeons had groups of mobs that could spawn indefinitely. Case in point: the tiny mudcrabs summoned by the larger mudcrab boss in normal Fungal Grotto. People would simply keep the boss taunted and kill endless waves of mudcrabs for stupid fast leveling, which I would agree is not intended.

Yet instead of fixing only the mudcrabs, ZOS nerfed XP in dungeons across the board...

Some other things have always been mind-boggling. Like why you get LESS xp soloing a public dungeon than soloing a delve, when the former is far, far harder to do (at least at level/without CP).

Yes the XP is bad and they only have one normal and veteran daily quest. Where so they come up with these dailies and something should only be once a day lol. Don't they want people to play?

No sir, I'm sorry, even if you want to play another dungeon, we really think you are at your limit. You should only be rewarded once per day.

Who knows what they were thinking.

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

yeah sucks I can't level by doing dungeons, I'm bored of quests and just want quick dungeon action to level up!! why the heck not?

Exactly, but they don't do much to encourage the group content. I honestly see this game going towards more of a PvP fous very soon.

I understand that the split the XP up between 3 other people, But they need to buff it. It should give around normal if not slightly less than normal Xp to each person. Or at least make the different bosses inside dungeons give a HUGE BONUS to make up for the lack of the xp from normal mobs.

I prefer a Boss Xp bonus based on number of mobs killed before fighting that boss and resetting before the next boss. This encourages players to do the dungeon and rewards them for completing it instead of grinding or skipping content.