Siphoning Attacks/Soul Tether nerf, the nail in the coffin for NB tanks.

Jumper45 · September 2015

Templar Resource management -drops the mic and walks away-

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · September 2015

If you want to Shadow Tank go full heavy 5 Orgnum's Scales 4 Hist Bark and 3 Unassailable, 8 reinforced 64 points to health all Heath enchantments with green health food. Shadow Tanks never cared about regen before why start Caltrops + Evil Hunter + Refreshing Path + Siphoning attacks. Off-hand Restoration Staff for 30% magic with full heavy. You no longer need a big stamina pool as the return is the same no matter how much you have just be unkillable.

Also if you have room for Quick Siphon from the Restoration Staff it will give you a nice little self heal with two ground AoEs down one being the healing path. Also the Dark Shades (two shades) will proc the heal from Quick Siphon so it will proc 6 TIMES A SECOND with path and caltrops doing damage every half second with a health pool like that in full heavy with Max health, Health regen buffs and healing taken with that heal from path and Quick Siphon healers will love you as the Tank.

Edit: my normal typos

VaxtinTheWolf · September 2015

Guys, it's 10% chance for the large restore on NON-basic attacks. Light/heavy attacks get the small but guaranteed restore.

I don't have caltrops because (lolPVP) I only got rank 5 on a different nightblade a long time ago and stopped going there, So onn this TankBlade I can't test the procs with it. I did notice that the Physical damage return on Spiked Bone shield has the ability to proc Siphoning Attacks.

Shadow Path can trigger SA, but it has only done so on the very first tick of the move being used.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · September 2015

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

Guys, it's 10% chance for the large restore on NON-basic attacks. Light/heavy attacks get the small but guaranteed restore.

I don't have caltrops because (lolPVP) I only got rank 5 on a different nightblade a long time ago and stopped going there, So onn this TankBlade I can't test the procs with it. I did notice that the Physical damage return on Spiked Bone shield has the ability to proc Siphoning Attacks.

Shadow Path can trigger SA, but it has only done so on the very first tick of the move being used.

I ran no death runs in DSA with 5 thunderous plate it will proc it too

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · September 2015

Also basic attack light and heavy also give the 10% but you get that with the guaranteed return

Shunravi · September 2015

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

If you want to Shadow Tank go full heavy 5 Orgnum's Scales 4 Hist Bark and 3 Unassailable, 8 reinforced 64 points to health all Heath enchantments with green health food. Shadow Tanks never cared about regen before why start Caltrops + Evil Hunter + Refreshing Path + Siphoning attacks. Off-hand Restoration Staff for 30% magic with full heavy. You no longer need a big stamina pool as the return is the same no matter how much you have just be unkillable.

Also if you have room for Quick Siphon from the Restoration Staff it will give you a nice little self heal with two ground AoEs down one being the healing path. Also the Dark Shades (two shades) will proc the heal from Quick Siphon so it will proc 6 TIMES A SECOND with path and caltrops doing damage every half second with a health pool like that in full heavy with Max health, Health regen buffs and healing taken with that heal from path and Quick Siphon healers will love you as the Tank.

Edit: my normal typos

Exactly. I have a different build, but that's the gist of it.

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

Guys, it's 10% chance for the large restore on NON-basic attacks. Light/heavy attacks get the small but guaranteed restore.

I don't have caltrops because (lolPVP) I only got rank 5 on a different nightblade a long time ago and stopped going there, So onn this TankBlade I can't test the procs with it. I did notice that the Physical damage return on Spiked Bone shield has the ability to proc Siphoning Attacks.

Shadow Path can trigger SA, but it has only done so on the very first tick of the move being used.

I've noticed shadow path procking SA fairly consistently during its duration...

Blackjak-33 · September 2015

jebuspowers wrote: »

It honestly was fine the way it was. You can still tank as a Nightblade, but you won't be as effective as you used to be nor will it be seriously worth your time. This kind of sucks considering they set up the game to where you should be able to play any role with any class, but they just locked Nightblade into dps only.

I agree. I've spent since console release building my NB tank, huge changes to class skills and passives that totally overhaul builds should not be taking place. You can't advertise, say, a 30% stamina regen passive only to take that away months later. I mean, I can't suddenly change my race or class on my Vet character, I would have to start over and there's no way I have the time and patience for that.

I mean can I adapt, probably and I think I did. I just shouldn't have to adapt this much, ESPECIALLY to something that wasn't broken or overpowered to start with.

jebuspowers · September 2015

It isn't just about the resource regeneration now. Some big adjustments can get Nightblade back into tanking, but they are big adjustments. I don't know if it confirmed that dots have a chance to proc SA because it definitely feels like it is only on use and not per hit. Otherwise, path and shades will keep you up all the time. I'm also having a problem holding things even with a taunt which used to not be a problem. I used to be able to Teleport Strike in, Soul tether, Refreshing path, spiked bone shield, and start taunting. For some reason the taunt want working, Soul tethers stun isn't working, and I can't keep more then 3 enemies on me. It just makes me mad because whatever adjustments I have to make to get back what I had feel completely pointless. When I was trying to run Darkshade vet daily I couldn't hold anything. That's just ridiculous because I successfully tanked DSA at vet 2.

Honestly, i already made the switch to dps because that was the best thing I could think of doing with my character.

jebuspowers · September 2015

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/202926/blood-knight-pve-nightblade-tank-pre-ic/p1

This was my skill build as a Nightblade tank. I know blackjack has seen it. It was pretty legit until ic happened.

Blackjak-33 · September 2015

I'm guessing Soul Tether is bugged now, I noticed the stun not working also? Puncture has been lagging horribly for me, I have to mash the assigned button multiple times before it actually casts. It's very annoying having a mob run by me as I'm mashing puncture to get it to work, only to have to chase down the mob until it activates!

jebuspowers · September 2015

Yeah, tether is jacked now.

VaxtinTheWolf · September 2015

It was a very very slow death for the enemy I tried to proc SA with shadow path but i'll do it again. I'll also beat on a warma with light attacks just to see if it procs the 10% as well.

(1)AUI: Target: Wamasu | Damage: 71,375 | DPS: 482 | Combat time: 2m 27s

Siphoning Attacks active through most of this. 117 light attacks and one heavy attack. Not one proc. Only the basic restore like I said.

(2)AUI: Target: Wamasu | Damage: 71,386 | DPS: 423 | Combat time: 2m 48s

Let refreshing path run the the majority of the time and used many light attacks. Refreashing Path procced Siphoning Attacks one time(on use).

jebuspowers · September 2015

Thanks for testing. I did the same thing with a few other things in a vet 2 area. It only procs on use.

Aerieth · September 2015

Tanked Vet WGT just two days ago on my NB. SA is still awesome, just remember to refresh it when it runs out.

In old veteran dungeons I run with drinks instead of food and it's working out really good. Just remember that you don't want to be blocking 24/7 or you'll miss out on that sweet, sweet regen. Just block when you need to and try to get some basic attacks weaved in there between your abilities.

jebuspowers · September 2015

It's still manageable, but with sacrifices not previously needed. Someone was telling me, a DK tank btw, that for some reason it is even harder to hold mobs. Anyone else notice that? For some reason healers are now the prime target of all mobs.

VaxtinTheWolf · September 2015

I havent done ant dungeons since returning about a month ago. Too afraid of screwing up and getting blamed for "not doing it right" or knowing the dungeon.

But if I was the enemy I'd focus the healers too. Legit strats.

remraub16_ESO · September 2015

I want to add my voice to this thread and just say I totally agree with the OP.
It killed the resource management for my tank build, perhaps you can still tank as stamina build (I was a magicka tank) but then DK is so far ahead in efficiency that it's not even funny.

Please make magicka NB tank's viable again, I don't have the time or stamina to level a new character because you destroyed mine.

jebuspowers · September 2015

remraub16_ESO wrote: »

I want to add my voice to this thread and just say I totally agree with the OP.
It killed the resource management for my tank build, perhaps you can still tank as stamina build (I was a magicka tank) but then DK is so far ahead in efficiency that it's not even funny.

Please make magicka NB tank's viable again, I don't have the time or stamina to level a new character because you destroyed mine.

Yup. That's pretty much how I rolled too. Since Nightblade tanks only advantage was resource regeneration now it feels like any other class would be more effective at it. Sure you can still nb tank, but now there is less reason to do that.