ZOS Tacitly Admits EP Must Farm DSA for Nix Hound Collectible

Ourorboros · September 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

No idea why they don't just give us an option to either silver or gold our faction area once we've done the main 3 grinds. It would solve so many problems.

Nevermind Silver or Gold. Turn those babies Platinum with levels starting at VR11 all the way to VR16. End of complaints about vet leveling!

Recremen · September 2015

These achievements are so darn difficult to begin with, I can only imagine the suffering of folks with nowhere realistic to grind out certain ones. I finally finished out the Beasts one the other day and I was just like "Is this real? Am I the first?" Then there's the low point score for getting them and the fact that they're bottom-tier dyes.

When there are more people with the Emperor achievement than people with even one of these complete, it should be cause for reconsideration.

nimander99 · September 2015

I feel your pain @UrQuan this has been an ongoing frustration for me as well.

Can I just say that I really really dislike the trend of customer service responses I've been seeing, not just here but in many other games I play as well.

I mean, really? Go explore? To you or myself? I've been to every damn nook and cranny in this game as I'm sure you have to. They should have just said "Go to this spot @UrQuan because its not a above Top Secret, National Security matter as to where our Nix hounds are"...

Anyways, thats my ten.

UrQuan · September 2015

nimander99 wrote: »

I feel your pain @UrQuan this has been an ongoing frustration for me as well.

Can I just say that I really really dislike the trend of customer service responses I've been seeing, not just here but in many other games I play as well.

I mean, really? Go explore? To you or myself? I've been to every damn nook and cranny in this game as I'm sure you have to. They should have just said "Go to this spot @UrQuan because its not a above Top Secret, National Security matter as to where our Nix hounds are"...

Anyways, thats my ten.

Yeah, I find that irritating too, but I don't blame the CS rep for that. I'm about 90% sure that she's been instructed to use that type of phrasing, and is only telling me what she's allowed to tell me.

Fruitmass · September 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

No idea why they don't just give us an option to either silver or gold our faction area once we've done the main 3 grinds. It would solve so many problems.

Nevermind Silver or Gold. Turn those babies Platinum with levels starting at VR11 all the way to VR16. End of complaints about vet leveling!

I was actually kind of disappointed that you went to Coldhardour first before you could see the other factions. Would have made a little more sense if progress was more like Home Faction -> Cadwell's Silver Faction -> Cadwell's Gold Faction ->Coldharbour. As it is Cadwell's Silver/Gold is just busy work made all the more ludicrous with just how easily and early you stomp Molag Bal.

But anyway on topic.

UrQuan wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

It's a real problem indeed.
Could ZOS make these items droppables even when mobs are outlevelled, like all medium crafting material ? It should resolve the problem without any hard work needed.

That's one possible solution, but to my mind it's not ideal, as it could lead to high level players going and farming low level mobs - potentially ruining the game experience of low level players who are adventuring in that area.

The best way they could solve the problem without risking imposition on other players would be to just revert monster trophies back to how they used to work. Then take the fishing trophies and make them function the same way as monster trophies so that they have to be used in order to count towards the achievements instead of just looted. Allow us to bank them again. Apply those same changes to the console version for consistency sake. Dedicate an episode of ESO Live to give an in depth explanation of the different types of trophies and how they function.

Additional suggestions would be to add a tutorial explaining the purpose and function of the various types of trophies, improving the tool tip descriptions and reclassifying some items (seems like ZOS just lumps things into trophy category with no particular rhyme or reason. Recipe fragments are trophies, creature drops are trophies, quest rewards are trophies, undaunted keys are trophies, ect). The trophies gained as quest rewards could be added to that brand new collectables tab we just got and in the case of undaunted keys, Bone shards, Bloody Claws and the like they could be handled as currency just as Tel Var stones and Alliance points are.

b92303008rwb17_ESO · September 2015

Unfortunately, the only response you are going to get from ZOS is some nonsense like /lurk. They never give serious reply to thread like this.

Twilix01 · September 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

No idea why they don't just give us an option to either silver or gold our faction area once we've done the main 3 grinds. It would solve so many problems.

Nevermind Silver or Gold. Turn those babies Platinum with levels starting at VR11 all the way to VR16. End of complaints about vet leveling!

"What? To continue leveling I'm *forced* to go through my faction content *again*? ZOS Y U DO DIS?"

There will never be an end to complaints about vet leveling... which is a shame since I actually like vet leveling myself.

Xendyn · September 2015

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately, the only response you are going to get from ZOS is some nonsense like /lurk. They never give serious reply to thread like this.

Then you don't understand the /lurk.
If this thread got a /lurk that would be a great thing, means the Creative Director is interested in the idea.

lathbury · September 2015

it was their mistake that meant trophies didnt drop in the first place they need to remedy this. I think having them drop like the leathers is the best fix. I dont see it causing an issue with ppl chasing this achievement farming in low areas as i think there arent enough people who want it to cause a nuisance.

Cazzy · September 2015

I've started a new character and have been killing nix hound endlessly for the drop. I've reached level 13 now, still no drop and it appears I've out-levelled most of them already

The trophy should be wiped IMO.

Leandor · September 2015

This would be the perfect time for ZOS to admit they made a wrong decision and revert back to the initial trophy behaviour. I have my doubts that this will actually happen, but maybe it is worth it to remain hopeful.

trippingchrissy · September 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Unfortunately, the only response you are going to get from ZOS is some nonsense like /lurk. They never give serious reply to thread like this.

Then you don't understand the /lurk.
If this thread got a /lurk that would be a great thing, means the Creative Director is interested in the idea.

Exactly. And nary a /lurk on any of the other threads about this topic. No response even from Gina or Jessica or anyone else.

LegionofMorte · September 2015

more proof that the people that make this game, do not play it.

EQBallzz · September 2015

Beowulf_McCallum wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I'd love it if once you completed Cadwell's Silver and Gold you could choose to go to the Gold or Silver versions of your home alliance zones (it would solve this problem), but that's not possible.

Not possible right now, correct?

Sooooo why isn't this a thing? It should be made possible :-/

(It just seems such a SHAME to 'outlevel' such beautiful areas of the game. To render useless areas at endgame seems so shortsighted and a disservice to this IP that so many hold so dear)

An interesting idea that would resolve this issue would be to scale players to each zone. Sort of the reverse of dungeon scaling. It would give the game more of a Skyrim feel that many have clamored for and would open up the entire game world to any level character (and solve this issue of collectibles). It would also allow players to level up in any zone they wanted if they don't care about following the story/quests.

Divinius · September 2015

You all know that the only "solution" we are ever going to see to this issue (if we even see one at all), will be for the devs to throw some nix hounds into a corner of Craglorn somewhere and call it a day.

While that would fix this one particular problem causing the achievements being impossible for EP characters, it's a far cry from what we'd all REALLY like, which is for them to just PUT THE DARN COLLECTIBLES BACK TO THE WAY THEY WERE.

UrQuan · September 2015

Leandor wrote: »

This would be the perfect time for ZOS to admit they made a wrong decision and revert back to the initial trophy behaviour. I have my doubts that this will actually happen, but maybe it is worth it to remain hopeful.

It definitely won't happen. Never mind that this change is almost exactly the opposite of what the patch notes say, it's intended behavior that some people get screwed out of achievements based purely on what alliance they selected. If over a hundred different people writing hundreds of posts about what a bad idea this change was hasn't made any impression (and based on the complete radio silence on the issue from ZOS it clearly hasn't made any impression), and all the in-game /bug and /feedback reports haven't made any impression (and again, clearly they haven't), it's obvious ZOS has no intention of ever re-examining this intensely stupid change and admitting that they screwed up.

jcasini222ub17_ESO · September 2015

Is it bad that when I see the silence on this issue I get that terrible feeling in my stomach that crown pack 'collectibles' are in development? Very disappointed in this change, I am curious as to what happens to the 9 rank 50 trophies I stashed on my newst orc. Also wave hello to Krogmak if you see him in cyro (only level 22 right now)

Divinius · September 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

it's obvious ZOS has no intention of ever re-examining this intensely stupid change and admitting that they screwed up.

The problem is that the public outcry against a change seems to have to be enormous and universal for them to even consider reverting it. And I think that there's probably a limited number of players that even know about the collectibles achievements, let alone actually care about them. Look at how many people posted in the other threads that obviously didn't even know what we were talking about.

While this change negatively affects basically everyone who does care about trying to get these achievements, I think there's just too few people in the game that care about things like dyes and achievements to really blow up the forums the way we'd need to to actually force ZOS to take action.

But hey, vocal minorities have gotten them to listen before, so there's always a chance, right?

SLy_Kyti · September 2015

Revert the Change!
#revertTheChange

UrQuan · September 2015

Divinius wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

it's obvious ZOS has no intention of ever re-examining this intensely stupid change and admitting that they screwed up.

The problem is that the public outcry against a change seems to have to be enormous and universal for them to even consider reverting it. And I think that there's probably a limited number of players that even know about the collectibles achievements, let alone actually care about them. Look at how many people posted in the other threads that obviously didn't even know what we were talking about.

While this change negatively affects basically everyone who does care about trying to get these achievements, I think there's just too few people in the game that care about things like dyes and achievements to really blow up the forums the way we'd need to to actually force ZOS to take action.

But hey, vocal minorities have gotten them to listen before, so there's always a chance, right?

Maybe if everyone bombards the next ESO Live with questions and complaints about this they might be forced to pay attention. I doubt it though.

Treasure_Goblin · September 2015

ZOS won't respond to this because it would make them look bad and they don't want to give attention to something like that.

Cazzy · September 2015

You could argue that all the bugs the game currently has has a minority complaining. When does a group of minorities become a majority?

Divinius · September 2015

Links to the other two threads, just for reference:

collectables and the upcomming changes
Monster Trophy Collections, Way to screw this up, and you did..

Rosveen · September 2015

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Is it bad that when I see the silence on this issue I get that terrible feeling in my stomach that crown pack 'collectibles' are in development? Very disappointed in this change, I am curious as to what happens to the 9 rank 50 trophies I stashed on my newst orc. Also wave hello to Krogmak if you see him in cyro (only level 22 right now)

I doubt it. Collectibles have no use other than achievements and achievements have no use other than dyes and titles. So selling collectibles would really just be selling dyes. While I could easily see this happening, I doubt it's directly tied to this change. The dyes we're talking about aren't even the best ones available.

Ourorboros · September 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

it's obvious ZOS has no intention of ever re-examining this intensely stupid change and admitting that they screwed up.

The problem is that the public outcry against a change seems to have to be enormous and universal for them to even consider reverting it. And I think that there's probably a limited number of players that even know about the collectibles achievements, let alone actually care about them. Look at how many people posted in the other threads that obviously didn't even know what we were talking about.

While this change negatively affects basically everyone who does care about trying to get these achievements, I think there's just too few people in the game that care about things like dyes and achievements to really blow up the forums the way we'd need to to actually force ZOS to take action.

But hey, vocal minorities have gotten them to listen before, so there's always a chance, right?

Maybe if everyone bombards the next ESO Live with questions and complaints about this they might be forced to pay attention. I doubt it though.

Nope, not on this forum. Have to take this topic to Redditt. In some twisted irony, that seems to get more attention than the official forum.

UrQuan · September 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

it's obvious ZOS has no intention of ever re-examining this intensely stupid change and admitting that they screwed up.

The problem is that the public outcry against a change seems to have to be enormous and universal for them to even consider reverting it. And I think that there's probably a limited number of players that even know about the collectibles achievements, let alone actually care about them. Look at how many people posted in the other threads that obviously didn't even know what we were talking about.

While this change negatively affects basically everyone who does care about trying to get these achievements, I think there's just too few people in the game that care about things like dyes and achievements to really blow up the forums the way we'd need to to actually force ZOS to take action.

But hey, vocal minorities have gotten them to listen before, so there's always a chance, right?

Maybe if everyone bombards the next ESO Live with questions and complaints about this they might be forced to pay attention. I doubt it though.

Nope, not on this forum. Have to take this topic to Redditt. In some twisted irony, that seems to get more attention than the official forum.

Which is just pathetic... I'm tempted to head over to reddit and start some discussions there about it. I'm really not a reddit kind of guy though. Might be the only way to actually get ZOS to pay attention though.

Divinius · September 2015

MMOs are fueled by the players who keep playing them. And completionists are one of the main types of players that are most likely to keep playing. And completionists tend to love achievements.

While the people they are screwing over the most by this may be in the minority, they are also the ones that are their most devoted players, and that's just a bad move. Here's to hoping someone at ZOS realizes this, and reverts this change.

Divinius · September 2015

Ourorboros wrote: »

Nope, not on this forum. Have to take this topic to Redditt. In some twisted irony, that seems to get more attention than the official forum.

Funny, I was actually just on reddit, trying to see if there was a thread on this topic yet. I couldn't find one.

If the Devs still pay more attention to that forum than this one, that may be another route to take...

Xendyn · September 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

it's obvious ZOS has no intention of ever re-examining this intensely stupid change and admitting that they screwed up.

The problem is that the public outcry against a change seems to have to be enormous and universal for them to even consider reverting it. And I think that there's probably a limited number of players that even know about the collectibles achievements, let alone actually care about them. Look at how many people posted in the other threads that obviously didn't even know what we were talking about.

While this change negatively affects basically everyone who does care about trying to get these achievements, I think there's just too few people in the game that care about things like dyes and achievements to really blow up the forums the way we'd need to to actually force ZOS to take action.

But hey, vocal minorities have gotten them to listen before, so there's always a chance, right?

Maybe if everyone bombards the next ESO Live with questions and complaints about this they might be forced to pay attention. I doubt it though.

Nope, not on this forum. Have to take this topic to Redditt. In some twisted irony, that seems to get more attention than the official forum.

Which is just pathetic... I'm tempted to head over to reddit and start some discussions there about it. I'm really not a reddit kind of guy though. Might be the only way to actually get ZOS to pay attention though.

Or get one of the Streamers on board. ZOS seems to listen to them.

Kuroinu · September 2015

The previous "Loot and Use" functionality to obtain the achievement progress had no problems, I'm baffled as to why they would change this and on top of it, make them "Bind on Pick Up" too.

What they should have done was keep the previous "Loot and Use" functionality and remove "Bind on Pick Up", while also making Collectible Trophies the only possible loot from Mobs of any level if you have out leveled a particular Mob.

Damn, what I said just makes too much sense that it frustrates the hell out of me seeing it been done wrong.