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Who made the decision to eliminate solo play in IC?

Saint314Louis1985
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Let me start off by saying I have given ZOS the benefit of the doubt on most complaints I have read on these forums since I started playing at console release. I do understand that they cant please everybody and this is an MMO and everything I am sure the elitist players are going to refer too in response (L2P, get better gear, etc.) I can also guarantee that I am not the only one who feels that they completely destroyed solo play in favor of the stupidity that is the IC release/patch. I am not making this post to rage quit but simply to point out the situation of players like myself. I do not have the ability to use a mic (due to kids running around the house when awake and the fact I want my kids to stay asleep without waking them up all night with my mic usage) and that forces me into mainly solo play, which I prefer anyways and feel as it should be a valid way to play. IC completely ruins it.

Here we go:

1) Who thought of the bright idea to decrease damage while at the same time kill all healing and stamina regeneration? So it takes more skills to kill somebody, which means more resources used for 1 kill, and at the same time you regenerate less if you decide to block? Not to mention in IC if you actually want to gain a TV stone you have to kill harder mobs, so you are burning resources on that trying to live through those attacks while being jumped mid fight by 2+ enemy players. Even if you manage to take out one of the enemy players, the dead one spawns two blocks away runs over to you and owns you with full resources while your taking forever to attempt to kill his buddy while still avoiding the mobs and playing the resource game. This is exactly what happens. The resource management game is not fun when that is the main thing you have to focus on. Isnt this a game and suppose to be fun?

And yes i know you can group up but should I have to? I do not find it fun to go in a group, get 3 hits in a given battle and pretend I accomplished something. That does not take any degree of skill or knowledge of the game whatsoever. Among other reasons, I play solo for a challenge. Now it is not even possible.THEN ON TOP OF THAT YOU LOSE DAM NEAR ALL YOUR TV STONES BECAUSE THEY JUMPED YOU AT HALF HEALTH AND LOW RESOURCES! How is that fun? any progress you may have made towards improving your character gets taken away because of sheer numbers. 80% LOSS IS WAY TOO MUCH.

I played this whole game solo (exceptions being a few trials, DSA, and cyrodil keep raids which actually should require a group since you are taking a friggin castle!) and payed for IC due to the fact that I was extremely happy with the game and wanted more of what I liked, only to be thrown into the BS that is IC. I loved solo PVP and could accept the occasional group surprising me from stealth but IC is absolutely ridiculous. It would be so much better if they had just ADDED IN THE EXPANSION WITHOUT CHANGING THE WHOLE DAM GAME! If you are going to put spawns right around the block why the hell would you raise the TTK and kill resource regen? To give them more time to regroup to jump you AND make you weaker when they return? So we can turn this into Call of Duty: Swords Edition?

2) So you say I need to get better gear? well thats what I have been doing on my own since release and finally get the sets I wanted only for them to be made useless in order to force everyone to buy IC. And I cant get the new sets on my own because of the stupidity that is IC and the horrible planning that went into all the changes. Cant make gold playing anything other than IC because who wants to buy useless crap? And I didnt buy this game to sit at a crafting station and click repeatedly in order to manage in PVP.

3) So I need to adapt? try new skills? switch to heavy armor? Well, that isnt changing a thing. Seems power in this game is based off of the new IC gear (refer to #2) and high CP. And once again, I do not want to play Zergfest 2015. AND NOBODY SHOULD HAVE TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THEIR WHOLE PLAYSTYLE TO STAY HALFWAY COMPETITIVE BECAUSE SOME IDIOT CHANGED THE WHOLE GAME WHEN THEY ONLY NEEDED A FEW MINOR FIXES.

You can say I need to L2P and Im just whining and MMOs arent for me and all that other ignorant crap. Whatever. I feel as though I did L2P only to be thrown right back into noob status because of horrible game changes. Im not giving up just yet but I am pretty sure no matter what skills I use and gear i wear it wont change only get worse. I know Im just one player in a largely populated game, and would not be missed upon leaving this game. Starting to notice in game that I am not alone though.




  • UrQuan
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    IC eliminated solo play? That's weird, most of the time I've spent in IC has been solo, and I've been doing the dailies there with relatively few problems (yes, I've been getting killed by enemy players when I'm not cautious, or occasionally when I get run over by a zerg, but some deaths are to be expected, and I even kill enemy players sometimes too). Granted, it's a lot easier to run around IC in a group, but it can mostly be done solo as long as you sneak a lot.
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  • Saltypretzels
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    I mostly solo in IC and I'm not a spectacular player. It takes some adjusting but you'll get better at it, learn to watch the roving mobs that can screw with you, etc.

    Of course nothing you can do about people ganking you after a tough fight and you have no resources, but on the plus side you can do it to other people too. I have to remind myself of that after everytime I get charged when I only have 5% health left.
  • nimander99
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    It... gets........ better.................
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  • Igglez
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    I did solo for an entire night last night. I either helped out other groups or stealthed about looking for people to kill, or jumed in on other factions fighting each other and picked them off. Was frustrating at times when there was groups of mobs that I couldn't kill on my own, or getting jumped on by 3+ enemies, but IC is easy enough to escape as a NB.

    The damage reduction Im OK with, Im enjoying not being instakilled by Snipes or NBS out of stealth
  • s7732425ub17_ESO
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    I mostly solo in IC. It's pretty easy to farm 4k stones an hour solo because you don't have a group messing with the distribution. The stone gain is pretty high. By the time I get halfway through the second level of the sewers, I already have 700+ stones and have to make my way back to base.

    I am PVP rank 26 though, so I can handle gankers and small groups by myself. But I usually never see them.
  • Igglez
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    I planned ahead and went heavy into regen gear as a pose to damage. Think it helps.
  • MissBizz
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    I tend to do the quests solo.. lots of sneaking. As well, scan the area before you start. Sometimes I'll hit up a district and see a sea of enemy players, or can't get away from my safe drop without being ganked, or enemy zerg running around... I then abandon that quest and hit up a different district. Usually later on those players will have moved on so I do that quest then.

    Lots of sneaking, don't take on more than you can chew. I don't try to fight the real tough mobs solo due to the fact enemy players may take me out when I'm running low. Sometimes I bump into other solo players or small groups, and then we take down a couple tougher mobs before splitting ways.
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  • DenMoria
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    I thought TESO was an MMO that concentrated mostly on Group PvE and PvP. Am I wrong?

    I too am someone who likes solo play, but, TESO was not designed with us in mind. I figure, if I want to play a solo game, I'll go play a solo game like Skyrim or Fallout.

    At least that was my take. That's one of the reasons why I never complained about lack of solo opportunities.
  • Sausage
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    Cyrodil has always been mass-pvp place so why on Earth you want to go there alone? You know theres lots lots of people. This game badly needs some working LFG-finder, unlike most MMOs, this game has tons of group content. Im thinking some real-time chat LFG-finder, where people can put their wishes and when its ready, everyone is teleported to the leader.
    Edited by Sausage on September 17, 2015 5:07PM
  • BaldusMageezack
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    Are you kidding? solo play is amazing! Roll a nightblade and pick on people fighting mobs
  • DenMoria
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    Sausage wrote: »
    Cyrodil has always been mass-pvp place so why on Earth you want to go there alone? You know theres lots lots of people. This game badly needs some working LFG-finder, unlike most MMOs, this game has tons of group content. Im thinking some real-time chat LFG-finder, where people can put their wishes and when its ready, everyone is teleported to the leader.
    But that would mean actually having to interactive with folks! I mean, honestly, most of the people I've run in to are immature jerks who get off on killing everybody (I'm talking IC and Cyrodil). It's really turned me off to the whole experience.

    Maybe if it wasn't strictly voice-chat it would be better. It's hard to be as big and a** when all you can do is type. :smiley:
  • leepalmer95
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    Elininate solo play...

    Unless your a nb because zos loves nb's.
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  • Saint314Louis1985
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    Are you kidding? solo play is amazing! Roll a nightblade and pick on people fighting mobs

    I dont reroll characters. Never have never will. Maybe lack of patience to do it all over again I dont know. Should not be forced to play the game twice to be competitive.

    DenMoria wrote: »
    I thought TESO was an MMO that concentrated mostly on Group PvE and PvP. Am I wrong?

    I too am someone who likes solo play, but, TESO was not designed with us in mind. I figure, if I want to play a solo game, I'll go play a solo game like Skyrim or Fallout.

    At least that was my take. That's one of the reasons why I never complained about lack of solo opportunities.

    Already addressed your response in the original post. Solo play in cyrodil and just about everywhere else is cake. Solo play in IC (the only thing that really matters in the game anymore) is ridiculous.

    Im glad to see some people having success solo I am truly amazed and curious as to how. I have tried all tactics mentioned and never been able to gain stones reasonably (havent made it to the bank with more than 50 yet). Maybe bad luck maybe something else I dont know but the sewers arent possible (30 man AD zergs rolling through) all the way to EP spawn. The districts seem possible until you get jumped after gathering a grand total of 40 stones. Granted Ive only played a couple days but can already see myself way behind and wondering whats the point... Maybe its an xbox thing?



  • DenMoria
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    Elininate solo play...

    Unless your a nb because zos loves nb's.

    Okay. Eliminate solo play completely. Therefore you will lose not only me, but a large number of players.

    Sorry guys, but, most of you are not exactly pleasant to be around in groups or individually and make, while I cannot speak for everyone and am basing this only on what I have read on the forums and heard myself in game, so many of us feel completely unwelcome, inadequate and defeated. That is one of the reasons why I, not only, completely turn off the voice chat but my mic as well.

    I've already set this game aside for the time being for regular play because of this.

    I am sure there will always be that elite group of players that simply love their MMO and PvP nastiness, but I, for one am not one of them. I would rather help another player and work as a team, not make fun of them and treat them as lesser beings because they aren't quite as good at exploiting every single little thing.
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  • Hammy01
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    I actually kind of agree with OP. Not that I don't have any problems with grouping up but on consoles it can be very hard to find a group, given that we only have a limited voice chat to do so. I have been into Imp City / Sewers 4 or 5 times solo already and managed to kill a few solo mobs but the actual mob density and level of the mobs makes doing any solo play very frustrating. With that being said, I have only experienced Imp City on my lev 26 sorc via Blackwater Blade and I don't have a vet character yet so maybe things get better at the vet levels but for non vet players solo play is almost a no go!!

    Edit* My only complaint is with the NPC mobs in Imp City... I actually don't mind getting ganked by opposing players.. it is a pvp zone after all!!
    Edited by Hammy01 on September 17, 2015 5:57PM
  • jonjees
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    actually solo play is possible in a quiet campaign IC.
    so pick a campaign that isnt over populated or full and if go solo or a small team of 2-4.

    the large teams (anything more than 8 in a group), usually doesnt get you much rewards and someone will always think that they can take down one of those district boss, which can get the whole team killed and lose some stones.

    i have played in both solo, small team of 3/4, large zerg fest and group of 8.
    if i am doing dailies, a small team really gets it done quicker, a large team is usually all over the place.
    the zerg fest is the most silly, you dont get drops on some bosses, even on the main boss.

  • AlnilamE
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    nimander99 wrote: »
    It... gets........ better.................

    OP, I assume you are on Console?

    It will get better. Right now, everybody is in IC and it's hard to find a quiet spot. In a week or two, campaigns will settle and each faction will pick a "main" campaign. That doesn't mean you're not going to find enemy players. There are some dedicated groups running around and you still have to be careful.

    But it will be much easier to run around and kill things and do quests. You do need to be a bit patient and watch your step because the mobs are challenging, but it's totally doable to solo IC. Not everything because the Patrolling Horrors will one-shot you, but enough that you can get stuff done. I've done this on my sorc and my NB. I have not taken my templar in yet, but I'm thinking about going soon.

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  • Kupoking
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    Who decided solo was over in IC?

    I did.

    I am never alone.

    I am the zerg.
  • Rikal
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    DenMoria wrote: »
    Elininate solo play...

    Unless your a nb because zos loves nb's.

    Okay. Eliminate solo play completely. Therefore you will lose not only me, but a large number of players.

    Sorry guys, but, most of you are not exactly pleasant to be around in groups or individually and make, while I cannot speak for everyone and am basing this only on what I have read on the forums and heard myself in game, so many of us feel completely unwelcome, inadequate and defeated. That is one of the reasons why I, not only, completely turn off the voice chat but my mic as well.

    I've already set this game aside for the time being for regular play because of this.

    I am sure there will always be that elite group of players that simply love their MMO and PvP nastiness, but I, for one am not one of them. I would rather help another player and work as a team, not make fun of them and treat them as lesser beings because they aren't quite as good at exploiting every single little thing.

    Solo players in MMOs are always going to be brushed off by some segment of the other players. Those players can afford to do that if they want. ZOS being a business, not so much. Especially a business that banks on drawing in fans from a franchise of single player games.
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  • MissBizz
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    Im glad to see some people having success solo I am truly amazed and curious as to how. I have tried all tactics mentioned and never been able to gain stones reasonably (havent made it to the bank with more than 50 yet). Maybe bad luck maybe something else I dont know but the sewers arent possible (30 man AD zergs rolling through) all the way to EP spawn. The districts seem possible until you get jumped after gathering a grand total of 40 stones. Granted Ive only played a couple days but can already see myself way behind and wondering whats the point... Maybe its an xbox thing?

    Alright, I will fess up a few more tactics.

    I mentioned being willing to move on to a different district right? Well, be willing to move campaigns as well. I don't even mean your faction needs the upper hand, but some campaigns are different at different times. I for instance played with a buddy in his campaign and we couldn't get anywheres it seemed, it was terrible, no way I could have made it solo. Tried out another campaign, it was a lot better! Utilize your guest/home campaigns. This tip isn't as useful now (long queues) but I'm sure they will add more campaigns soon enough if those continue to be an issue. Try out all the campaigns during your regular play time and find which one suits you best.

    The majority of my stones are actually accrued during my trip back from the sewers. Sure, I can gather a decent amount in the districts sometimes, but there is definitely a lot more risk involved there. Kill everything you can in the sewers, try to tag mobs in a way that you only pull a few rather than the whole group so it's more solo-friendly.

    Preplan your sewer route home. Sometimes you can go either way, check, is there a boss one way that would likely attract the attention of enemy players? Take the route without it. Sure less stones from "easier" mobs, but there will probably be more of them due to others going for the bosses.

    ALWAYS take your own sewer home. There are 2 districts that the sewer entrances are in your factions area. Utilize these. In a district that you know the sewer entrance is not in your favour? Sneak down the back end of the district, using the small corner door to move to the next district until you're somewhere that the sewer entrance is in your favor.

    Utilize the teleport stone if you have the AP to spare.

    Super rich and scared of getting killed during the loading screen into the sewers? No stone? I know it's shady advice, but let a mob kill you. 10% is better than 80%. As mentioned though, most of my TV gain is in the sewers on the way back, so use this one very very sparingly.

    I'm on PC. I personally didn't step foot into IC for the first 5 days, knowing it would be crazy. As mentioned, could be an Xbox thing as it's brand new there, maybe in a week this tips will work better for you than they will right now.
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  • zatohonour
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    DenMoria wrote: »
    I thought TESO was an MMO that concentrated mostly on Group PvE and PvP. Am I wrong?

    I too am someone who likes solo play, but, TESO was not designed with us in mind. I figure, if I want to play a solo game, I'll go play a solo game like Skyrim or Fallout.

    At least that was my take. That's one of the reasons why I never complained about lack of solo opportunities.

    It wasn't designed with solo play in mind?You could have fooled me right up to v14 after finishing caldwells gold...

    Imo i don't think ZoS know who they are aiming this game at or what it should be.So much of it is solo friendly and casual friendly,then it has the hardcore elements later on and at least on console they remove most of the social aspects of an mmorpg and the onscreen clutter while addint soimplistic combat(by mmorpg standards) while also having animation cancelling,stats galore below the hood/inter connected passives etc,looking like it's aimed at both casuals and hardcores but also not aimed at them.

    This game has an identity crisis.

    Edited by zatohonour on September 17, 2015 6:29PM
  • Darlgon
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    Great wall to fext.

    @Saint314Louis1985

    My apologies for not reading your great wall of text in your entirety, but, frankly, its the same stuff that has been thrown up, over and over by other forum members.First by PC PVEers, then by consolers. I read until I could stand it no more.

    YOU ARE OPERATING ON A FALSE PREMISE.

    THIS is what ZOS said on July 15,2015, WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THE EXPANSION.
    ZoS wrote:

    The dangers of Imperial City and the Sewers below are best suited for small groups of adventurers, but highly skilled warriors have been known to strike out on their own. While exploring and fighting your way through the Imperial City, be prepared to face not only Molag Bal's forces, but also enemy players from the opposing alliances.

    Here, read it yourself.

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/15/imperial-city-launch-details

    It never was for the solo player.
    Edited by Darlgon on September 17, 2015 6:55PM
    Power level to CP160 in a week:
    Where is the end game? You just played it.
    Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
    Where is new content? Sigh.
  • DenMoria
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    Darlgon wrote: »

    Great wall to fext.

    @Saint314Louis1985

    My apologies for not reading your great wall of text in your entirety, but, frankly, its the same stuff that has been thrown up, over and over by other forum members.First by PC PVEers, then by consolers. I read until I could stand it no more.

    YOU ARE OPERATING ON A FALSE PREMISE.

    THIS is what ZOS said on July 15,2015, WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THE EXPANSION.
    ZoS wrote:

    The dangers of Imperial City and the Sewers below are best suited for small groups of adventurers, but highly skilled warriors have been known to strike out on their own. While exploring and fighting your way through the Imperial City, be prepared to face not only Molag Bal's forces, but also enemy players from the opposing alliances.

    Here, read it yourself.

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/15/imperial-city-launch-details

    It never was for the solo player.
    Your point?
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    Are you kidding? solo play is amazing! Roll a nightblade and pick on people fighting mobs

    So true, Nightblade is definitely the solo class in ESO. That's why I have two...
  • Molag_Crow
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    IC eliminated solo play? That's weird, most of the time I've spent in IC has been solo, and I've been doing the dailies there with relatively few problems (yes, I've been getting killed by enemy players when I'm not cautious, or occasionally when I get run over by a zerg, but some deaths are to be expected, and I even kill enemy players sometimes too). Granted, it's a lot easier to run around IC in a group, but it can mostly be done solo as long as you sneak a lot.

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  • Saint314Louis1985
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    Darlgon wrote: »

    Great wall to fext.

    @Saint314Louis1985

    My apologies for not reading your great wall of text in your entirety, but, frankly, its the same stuff that has been thrown up, over and over by other forum members.First by PC PVEers, then by consolers. I read until I could stand it no more.

    YOU ARE OPERATING ON A FALSE PREMISE.

    THIS is what ZOS said on July 15,2015, WHEN THEY ANNOUNCED THE EXPANSION.
    ZoS wrote:

    The dangers of Imperial City and the Sewers below are best suited for small groups of adventurers, but highly skilled warriors have been known to strike out on their own. While exploring and fighting your way through the Imperial City, be prepared to face not only Molag Bal's forces, but also enemy players from the opposing alliances.

    Here, read it yourself.

    http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/15/imperial-city-launch-details

    It never was for the solo player.

    If that was the case then why the hell dont they require atleast a 4 man group to enter like they do for group dungeons, trials, etc. Nice try.

    It was meant to be an expansion on Cyrodil. Im not even pissed off at the whole IC concept of being hard to solo, Im pissed off that they completely changed PVP gameplay on top of adding in tough mobs and making it to where if you dont group up in IC you are unable to compete at all. My character pre-IC probably could have competed in that environment. But with being unable to block, dodge, or hardly kill one player or a few mobs without draining stam to nothing, its a joke. Maybe once I get the new gear it will be better? How am I suppose to do that without being able to do *** in IC? Get owned for months while banking 40 stones and a time and giving the majority away to everyone else?
  • Darlgon
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    Maybe once I get the new gear it will be better? How am I suppose to do that without being able to do *** in IC? Get owned for months while banking 40 stones and a time and giving the majority away to everyone else?

    ALL my stats pretty much went down when I swapped from Purple crafted VR14 to purple Rewards from the Worthy VR16 gear. And, at 110-150 mats PER ITEM, it will be months before I get enough mats to craft my sets at VR16. Soo.. No, new gear wont help. They just have new, cool, gimmicks for 5 piece sets.
    Edited by Darlgon on September 17, 2015 7:24PM
    Power level to CP160 in a week:
    Where is the end game? You just played it.
    Why don't I have 300+ skill points? Because you skipped content along the way.
    Where is new content? Sigh.
  • Saint314Louis1985
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    Darlgon wrote: »
    Maybe once I get the new gear it will be better? How am I suppose to do that without being able to do *** in IC? Get owned for months while banking 40 stones and a time and giving the majority away to everyone else?

    ALL my stats pretty much went down when I swapped from Purple crafted VR14 to purple Rewards from the Worthy VR16 gear. And, at 110-150 mats PER ITEM, it will be months before I get enough mats to craft my sets at VR16. Soo.. No, new gear wont help. They just have new, cool, gimmicks for 5 piece sets.

    Well I am glad that you are still able to hit an AOE attack key while hiding in a massive group of well experienced players. You want a friggin cookie?
  • Callous2208
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    The fresh v14's and even v10's doing just fine in IC invalidate all of your points. You don't want to hear L2P but honestly, there really isn't anymore to say. That's not me being an elitist jerk, that's just honesty. Like most of us you got used to the entire game being total faceroll even solo. Now it's not. Adapt or move on.
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