@Leandor
Once again ur ignoring all the positive constructive feedback I'm giving you. I basically taught u how to dodge wb... It's not even close to being unavoidable as my QQ-ers would have you believe. So don't jump on the QQ wagon. Try to learn how to dodge it pleaseeee

Also please understand I'm not trolling. Feel free to pm me in game and I can show u how to dodge wb. In game I'd is same as my forum Id

@jcasini222ub17_ESO this I whole heartedly agree with. You shouldn't be able to cc lock someone with wrecking blow. THAT needs to be fixed.

zornyan wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

@jcasini222ub17_ESO this I whole heartedly agree with. You shouldn't be able to cc lock someone with wrecking blow. THAT needs to be fixed.

It's not just wrecking blow though, I have been and can perma lock someone with puncturing sweeps. It's a general glitch to all cc's that will be fixed at some point, unfortunately latency and other issues mean it's not that easy to code out.

U my friend are absolutely right. Which is why once again I'm wondering why there is so much QQ about wb.

Indeed if anyone reading this thread is on consoles pray the CC quirks that have arisen on PC don't make it through to you guys. It does happen with other skills, and like I said not always, it just happens to be so apparent on WB because of how the skill is a knockdown. To be clear it always doesnt happen with WB either, which is so hard to figure out wth is going on.

Plus I still have seen WB proc's FDU .... *snicker snicker snicker*

zornyan wrote: »

Then we all agree? When latency is low, and we all have sub 100 pings, wrecking blow works as intended, it's perfectly easily dodgeable, and the CC works as it should.

When latency is high, it's much harder to dodge, like just about any other skill or time your health bar drops to 0 without seeing a single move happen. It's cc also doesn't work as intended, due to lag, much like some other spammable cc skills.

Lag is the bane of all our lives, it's something that's going to be around for years to Come, as graphical demand, Internet speeds, speeds, computing speeds, and general demand of Internet gaming increases.

It's going to be a long time before we have zero lag Internet gaming, not to mention they still have to offer support and options for the millions of people that can't afford brand new systems/components every month, and don't live in a major city with 200mbs speeds.

Maybe yes. I still do not agree that snipe and CF behave the same as WB - it just completely conflicts with my personal experience.

But I can agree to disagree on that. I do not doubt your experience any more than I doubt mine.

Vangy wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Dodging WB isn't really a long term plan. If I used WB I would hope you dodge the first ones, that way you won't be breaking free when it finally lands.

80% of sorcs bolt through me when I use wb. Nightblade cloak and never get hit. Templars just stand there and out heal my damage somehow. Dodge rolling is just one of the many solutions to WB..

Once again I'm curious how many people who want wb nerfs actually have a stamina class maxed at v16 and have tried to spam wrecking blow on other players.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong with how I spam WB...

Dodge rolling is a solution to one wb, not a solution to wb. It costs 33% more if you dodgeroll twice. If you intend to overcome wb by dodgerolling you are going to be out of stam and stuck on your back.

Shoot a sorc bolting through you is a good thing... Crit rush him.

Vangy wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Dodging WB isn't really a long term plan. If I used WB I would hope you dodge the first ones, that way you won't be breaking free when it finally lands.

80% of sorcs bolt through me when I use wb. Nightblade cloak and never get hit. Templars just stand there and out heal my damage somehow. Dodge rolling is just one of the many solutions to WB..

Once again I'm curious how many people who want wb nerfs actually have a stamina class maxed at v16 and have tried to spam wrecking blow on other players.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong with how I spam WB...

Dodge rolling is a solution to one wb, not a solution to wb. It costs 33% more if you dodgeroll twice. If you intend to overcome wb by dodgerolling you are going to be out of stam and stuck on your back.

Shoot a sorc bolting through you is a good thing... Crit rush him.

Now I suppose u want to QQ nerf crit Rush?

Your supposition is incorrect and baseless.

zornyan wrote: »

PsychoKRATOS1 wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Then we all agree? When latency is low, and we all have sub 100 pings, wrecking blow works as intended, it's perfectly easily dodgeable, and the CC works as it should.

When latency is high, it's much harder to dodge, like just about any other skill or time your health bar drops to 0 without seeing a single move happen. It's cc also doesn't work as intended, due to lag, much like some other spammable cc skills.

Lag is the bane of all our lives, it's something that's going to be around for years to Come, as graphical demand, Internet speeds, speeds, computing speeds, and general demand of Internet gaming increases.

It's going to be a long time before we have zero lag Internet gaming, not to mention they still have to offer support and options for the millions of people that can't afford brand new systems/components every month, and don't live in a major city with 200mbs speeds.

Even when zero lag internet comes. You will still have server manipulation, DDOS, -sponging- and a whole mess of other network exploits. I have sat net and fiber optic, soon to be upgraded... and various other toys... very low ping rate to NA being in Europe... 62 ping is the peak. But I still experience lag periods. In all games. And that shouldn't be the case, ever, it's like a fully qualified chef having a brain fart moment and forgetting how to fry an egg... my Internet just suddenly fails.

Anyone who uses a modified xbox or playstation (surprise it's already happening) will probably be able to do various things that he or she aren't allowed to. I can only imagine how much worse it might be for pc players on this game.

The actual ratio of people actually cheating is seriously seriously low. A good example is destiny, many many players claimed lag/switching was a massively abused exploit, that every single game they ever played was being cheated. That it was so easily done and available to everyone.

Bungie went on a which hunt banning anyone that resembled actual cheaters, the result? About 200 people out of 2million were found to be cheating.

Hardly anywhere near as bad as people make it.it's just another scape goat excuse people use to blame their deaths/losses.

Lag isn't down to your connection, games with dedicated severs are far better than peer2peer connections, but still even with super fast Internet all you are doing is communicating to the server, it still has to gather information from all the other players, which can have sub par Internet (and rural areas will for years to come at this rate) which means that their lag is effecting you.

It's not the fault of anyone though, someone with superfast Internet can't take the moral high ground against someone with 5-10mbs, I've only just got fibre up to 40mbs, I was stuck at 4mbs for the last few years, as even though I live in what is considered a major city near London, bt are slow as hell and only recently rolled out fibre here.There's still a lot of the country to cover.

I've had fibre since release. ... BT and in London?
-found to be- just cause you aren't caught doesn't mean you're not guilty mate. I can name 40 people off the bat who cheat most of which own destiny. That's 1 5th of the 200. They aren't caught or penalised and they've played since release. The BS name and shame and "your word vs theirs" prevent me from reporting.

And I mean DDOS, sponging, lag switching, modding.
Lag is always a good reason to claim bs. Good thing there's a game DVR now that doesn't require a recording device. You record what happened to you and then confer with friends and the guttersnipe who finds it necessary to gloat and you show them.

You.... what... destiny? Bungie games... notoriously Lagg (HALO CE and Halo 2 onwards. Lag rampant) and don't get me started on Activision. .. combine those two and lag is a motherless son of a dewberry. Bungie are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard and couldn't find their arse with both hands behind their back.

Also if u wont believe me.... here's sypher and aetcharians quotes from a guide;

Why is Wrecking Blow OP?

Admittedly, Wrecking Blow is unreasonably difficult to counter because of its ability to be spammed on a player to force them to go full defense, yet the pure damage of this skill (along with it's long hard-cc and it’s self-buffing capability while being used consecutively) makes going defense mode against this skill futile.

STFU Aetcharian; Wrecking blow sucks, but here's some ways to counter it if you haven't figured it out already.

Here are some ways to counter Wrecking Blow extremely effectively along with some tips as to how I do it:

A.If the enemy channeling the Wrecking Blow does not have CC immunity, swap to bow and Magnum Shot the enemy. This skill knocks both you and the enemy player in opposite directions, creating a great distance. After cancelling his Wrecking Blow with your CC, this is a great opportunity to Critical Rush in to him for a high distance bonus. This situation is clearly a win; stamina fights are all about offense (because a damage stamina build in defense is more resource intensive than being offense and forcing opponent on defense).

B.After you Critical Rush your opponent, feel free to apply Burning Breath + Unstable Flame. These DOTs do massive damage and kill the opponent’s armor value. At this point he may be looking to Wrecking Blow you again, considering you just came in to his close proximity again.

Do NOT make the following mistakes against Wrecking Blow.

I.Mistake No.1: Roll dodging in the beginning of wrecking blow. NEVER roll dodge in the beginning of the Wrecking Blow channel. The channel takes a few seconds, so if you roll dodge towards the beginning of the channel, you will be hit by a full Wrecking Blow the moment your roll dodge ends. This is an extremely fatal mistake because after the attacker knocks you up with the skill, he will be able to follow it up with another WB with a 20% damage buffer; ESPECIALLY pay attention to this. The correct way to roll dodge against Wrecking Blow is rolling right before he swings; more specifically, when the sword reaches its lowest area before the enemy swings upwards. This will ensure no damage taken from the uppercut.
II.Mistake No.2: Roll dodging backwards. This is actually not a devastating mistake like the first one, but why roll dodge in the wrong direction when you can do it the right way and gain a bigger advantage on the opponent? Many players are intimidated by the Wrecking Blow that is about to happen, and thus the roll backwards as to back AWAY from the player using the skill. The correct direction to dodge roll against Wrecking Blow is INTO and PAST the enemy. Here is why: the Wrecking Blow is a “target” ability. If you roll past the enemy such that your character is not in their direct sight, the WB channel will cancel itself and you are free to go on full offensive after this move. Even if the enemy is able to somehow follow your character with their sights (most likely won’t happen), if you didn’t make Mistake No. 1, the Wrecking Blow would not have hit you in the first place. And making the enemy turn their entire camera will disorient them to an extent nonetheless. Thusly, this method of countering Wrecking Blow

I found using empowering chains/lava whip a good counter dk vs dk. Also shield charge is good + immovable brute... yum vs wb.

Here let me requote u once again and read your own post:

"Shoot a sorc bolting through you is a good thing... Crit rush him."

EVERYTHING in this game has a counter. Why would u bring up crit rush when we are talking about how to counter WB.
I get the feeling your trying to troll here... So im going to leave u within the good hands of mother google. Type how to counter WB into it = profit.

Vangy wrote: »

Here let me requote u once again and read your own post:

"Shoot a sorc bolting through you is a good thing... Crit rush him."

EVERYTHING in this game has a counter. Why would u bring up crit rush when we are talking about how to counter WB.
I get the feeling your trying to troll here... So im going to leave u within the good hands of mother google. Type how to counter WB into it = profit.

None of what you quoted is whining or complaining about crit rush. I brought it up because you mentioned that you had a problem with 80% of sorcs who were countering your WB so I gave you the counter to that. It's actually to your advantage. How you read nerf and whining into that is anyone's guess.

I'm on cell phone with sasquatch thumbs, get over it.