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new collectibles drop method - can't be integrated yet
phatbandit
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the new method for collectibles dropping is supposed to be like fishing - the moment u get one u unlock it, but there is a problem with this:
it prevents EP players from completing them!
i do not know if there are similar circumstances for the other factions, but there are 3 drops for EP - from nix hounds, kagouti, and netches that can only really be found in EP territory (netches are in coldharbour, but not in sufficient number to farm for the drop), that means that once u out-level these beasts u cannot get the collectible-drop anymore. the present game method offers a solution, 2 actually:
~EP players create an AD char, finish the game, and then farm vet-lvl beasts until they get the drop, then transfer to a main char for unlock. it's simple, but time consuming, as u have to go through the whole game to do it. lotta work for 3 drops...
~EP players create new char specifically for attempting to farm drops, this means u go out and focus killing the beasts for the drops u need until u get one, which gets transferred to a main char for unlock. if u do not get one and accidently over-lvl, u delete the char and create another and begin agn, fairly tedious, but probably less work than going all the way thru the AD campaign...
problem is both these methods will get u the drop, but u need to transfer the collectible to the main char u needed to unlock it on, which atm is easy, but if this change goes ahead, only the new char will receive the achieve. effectively that means that every EP player wanting to complete for the colour/achieve has to create new chars specifically for unlocking them, probably in another faction.
which is why i say this change can't be integrated yet, not until every drop is available to every player on every faction - that means vet-lvl netches, kagouti, and nix hounds for EP chars to farm for the collectible.
the idea isn't a bad one, unlock-upon-receipt, but the game isn't ready yet
please hold this change back until netches kagouti and nix hounds are available to all factions at vet-lvl
(or modify the game so the collectible-drop can still be attained from under-lvl beasts, and then roll both changes together)
i hope u can understand the issue, and decide not to just blindly roll-out regardless...
it prevents EP players from completing them!
i do not know if there are similar circumstances for the other factions, but there are 3 drops for EP - from nix hounds, kagouti, and netches that can only really be found in EP territory (netches are in coldharbour, but not in sufficient number to farm for the drop), that means that once u out-level these beasts u cannot get the collectible-drop anymore. the present game method offers a solution, 2 actually:
~EP players create an AD char, finish the game, and then farm vet-lvl beasts until they get the drop, then transfer to a main char for unlock. it's simple, but time consuming, as u have to go through the whole game to do it. lotta work for 3 drops...
~EP players create new char specifically for attempting to farm drops, this means u go out and focus killing the beasts for the drops u need until u get one, which gets transferred to a main char for unlock. if u do not get one and accidently over-lvl, u delete the char and create another and begin agn, fairly tedious, but probably less work than going all the way thru the AD campaign...
problem is both these methods will get u the drop, but u need to transfer the collectible to the main char u needed to unlock it on, which atm is easy, but if this change goes ahead, only the new char will receive the achieve. effectively that means that every EP player wanting to complete for the colour/achieve has to create new chars specifically for unlocking them, probably in another faction.
which is why i say this change can't be integrated yet, not until every drop is available to every player on every faction - that means vet-lvl netches, kagouti, and nix hounds for EP chars to farm for the collectible.
the idea isn't a bad one, unlock-upon-receipt, but the game isn't ready yet
please hold this change back until netches kagouti and nix hounds are available to all factions at vet-lvl
(or modify the game so the collectible-drop can still be attained from under-lvl beasts, and then roll both changes together)
i hope u can understand the issue, and decide not to just blindly roll-out regardless...
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olemanwinter✭✭✭✭✭This change is a NERF to collecting, not a buff.
Before, you could use many alts to funnel collectibles to 1 main working on achievements.
Now if you play on alts you're going to end up with a mismatch and hodgepodge of collectibles scattered across the characters.
This SUCKS imho unless they also make these achievements and collections ACCOUNT WIDE!1 -
phatbandit✭✭✭"Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action."
looks like they pushed it anyways, fwits...0 -
Ourorboros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭phatbandit wrote: »"Monster trophies now work more like fishing trophies: when you loot one, you automatically receive achievement credit, rather than having to use it as a separate action."
looks like they pushed it anyways, fwits...
There are several threads about this on the forum complaining about the same thing. We are also not happy with the change. I doubt they will listen, but we are sending complaints and /feedback to Zos in the hopes that we can get them to reverse this. Yeah, EP got royally screwed. Maybe they'll add some of the needed mobs to new DLC like they did with jackals in Craglorn.PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)0 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There's a way around this problem, I discovered it accidently. My NB killed a storm elemental and got the Crackling Loadstone drop. Later on the same NB got the Loadstone drop from another Storm elemental, only this time it didn't auto collect. So I put it into the bank. Now if I use a chr who has not gotten this trophy drop before, they will auto collect. Basicly you need to collect the trophy drop twice on the same chr if you want to move it around to a different chr.Edited by starlizard70ub17_ESO on September 8, 2015 1:54PM"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
Ourorboros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »There's a way around this problem, I discovered it accidently. My NB killed a storm elemental and got the Crackling Loadstone drop. Later on the same NB got the Loadstone drop from another Storm elemental, only this time it didn't auto collect. So I put it into the bank. Now if I use a chr who has not gotten this trophy drop before, they will auto collect. Basicly you need to collect the trophy drop twice on the same chr if you want to move it around to a different chr.
Well this is good and bad news. I'll try this. I always seem to get Chattering Skulls, so I should get an extra to transfer. That's good news if it works. The bad news is that some collectibles require so much work, it may not be worth it to try to get a 2nd. Some of these took many hours for me.PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)0 -
blur✭✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »There's a way around this problem, I discovered it accidently. My NB killed a storm elemental and got the Crackling Loadstone drop. Later on the same NB got the Loadstone drop from another Storm elemental, only this time it didn't auto collect. So I put it into the bank. Now if I use a chr who has not gotten this trophy drop before, they will auto collect. Basicly you need to collect the trophy drop twice on the same chr if you want to move it around to a different chr.
LOL thanks for the heads up, going to try this with the damn Flesh Atro.
On another note, anyone know if these are on an hour CD like motifs? Now I don't mean the same type, I know you can get 2 of the same within 5 minutes of each other, however I have never got 2 different types within an hours span. This is noteworthy and will make less of a hassle of farming for these if true.0 -
Ourorboros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »There's a way around this problem, I discovered it accidently. My NB killed a storm elemental and got the Crackling Loadstone drop. Later on the same NB got the Loadstone drop from another Storm elemental, only this time it didn't auto collect. So I put it into the bank. Now if I use a chr who has not gotten this trophy drop before, they will auto collect. Basicly you need to collect the trophy drop twice on the same chr if you want to move it around to a different chr.
Starlizard is wrong. You cannot bank collectibles, or fish, that you know on one character to learn on another character. Perhaps he was describing the state of collectibles before 2.1.4 patch. I tried to bank both rare fish and a Chattering Skull, but got error messages and was unable to bank them. Wish this wasn't so, but it is. You can only earn the achievements for fishing and monster collectibles on the character that gets the items, no matter how many time you get it. Oh, well, back to farming Flesh Atronachs.......PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)0 -
blur✭✭✭✭Ourorboros wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »There's a way around this problem, I discovered it accidently. My NB killed a storm elemental and got the Crackling Loadstone drop. Later on the same NB got the Loadstone drop from another Storm elemental, only this time it didn't auto collect. So I put it into the bank. Now if I use a chr who has not gotten this trophy drop before, they will auto collect. Basicly you need to collect the trophy drop twice on the same chr if you want to move it around to a different chr.
Starlizard is wrong. You cannot bank collectibles, or fish, that you know on one character to learn on another character. Perhaps he was describing the state of collectibles before 2.1.4 patch. I tried to bank both rare fish and a Chattering Skull, but got error messages and was unable to bank them. Wish this wasn't so, but it is. You can only earn the achievements for fishing and monster collectibles on the character that gets the items, no matter how many time you get it. Oh, well, back to farming Flesh Atronachs.......
Not so sure about this.
While at first this was my kneejerk reaction, I am wondering if it is possible to bank a collectible you don't "auto collect." In other words it's not claimed so maybe it will slip through. That is still possible until proven otherwise. But yeah, you definitely cannot bank a collectible now once it's been auto collected.0 -
ntheogenic✭✭✭✭✭Not so sure about this.
While at first this was my kneejerk reaction, I am wondering if it is possible to bank a collectible you don't "auto collect." In other words it's not claimed so maybe it will slip through. That is still possible until proven otherwise. But yeah, you definitely cannot bank a collectible now once it's been auto collected.
I have not tried this but it seems unlikely.
I had one collectible left in the bank from before 2.1. When I withdrew it onto a char that still required this collectible, it did not register for the achievement. I also tried selling/buying back with an NPC, but it did not work for that char anymore.
Seems like the achievement only gets an update when you actually loot the collectible. And placing it in your inventory from another inventory does not count as looting.GDBY0