So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person? So lastnight when there were about 60 eps rolling keeps they were being lead by Zazeer?
vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person?
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person? So lastnight when there were about 60 eps rolling keeps they were being lead by Zazeer?
@Slaxis no no.. it was the RylanaZerg. You should know better than that, Zazeer only leads GoS, but @Rylana controls all of EP!
EDIT: Yes, I think I'm hilarious. You should see what I type in zone ;-)
vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person?
I can tell you from personal experience if there is a guy there named BKs, that this is exactly what is happening.
I think you forgot the part where you literally told Zaz after Roebeck yesterday that youd called in reinforcements. Now lets not mince here, you may have been in a group of 10 at some point, but you were most definitely coordinated with a much much larger force, by your own admission to Zaz.
A lot of people seem to misunderstand what exactly happens when there are a lot of players in one place.
- Lets say for the sake of debate that I'm running in a group of 8.
- My group manages to win vs groups of 16, but is unable to win vs a group of 24.
- We try three or four times, and the numbers just don't let us compete.
- We call in 4 more people, and our 12 beat their 24 a few times.
- They call in more people, and have two nearly full group (38 people per Combat Analytics).
- Our group merges with an allied guild group who joined us from another campaign (both guilds that I run with together) and start running a group of 18.
- Our 18 beat their 38, though immediately after the 38 fall, another opposing guild (of 16) hits us while we're low on resources and wipes us.
- We ask for help from anyone else in the sewers, and a group of 20 responds.
- The allied group of 20 pushes up the west side of the map (Ash/Aleswell) and we push up the east side (BRK/Chalman) causing the opposing groups to split to different places (as we did) until we dethrone (and crown).
- The group of 20 allies return to the sewers.
- Our group of 18 splits up to farm trophies and stones, and we're left with 12 to go after a scroll.
- Once we have the scroll, our group of 12 splits up to go farm trophies and telvar stones.
- A group of 8 unknowns (PvE players) pushes one EP gate keep and Glademist and asks how to capture a Temple. I explain how scrolls work (that we already got them), how it's bad form to take Arrius/Farra/Kings and Glade/Rayles/Warden (or Fare/BB/BM on our side) when there are no scrolls to capture and makes it tougher for players to get to IC, and refer them to www.darkelves.com for some PvP basics. The confirm that they understand, and will spread the word to their PvE friends and guilds about playing honourably and maintaining good form.
What part of this exactly is wrong / unfair / causing all these negative emotions? This is exactly what happened from our perspective.
@Rylana You've noted that GoS normally runs 12-20. Rage normally runs 6-8, and very rarely 12. Misfitz normally runs 12-16, and very rarely up to 24 if everyone gets together for an objective when opposing factions are running more than 24 together. Misfitz has even split such that half are homed Azuras and half Trueflame so that we don't end up all in the same place. You named the EP guild that runs 24+, and we all know the two AD guilds who do the same (who are not either of the two guilds I run with). When two AD groups end up in the same place (which happens - most notably when there's one emp keep left to dethrone an opponent), calling that the "CrownZerg" is offensive and inaccurate (it even happens in campaigns that I don't participate). Perhaps I will ask all of AD to whisper you every time we see 24+ opponents and call it the "RylanaZerg" and you'll see what it's like. Zazeer and a few others from GoS and I are on good terms, we talk often, and I have always been honest when asked about the size of the group that I'm playing with - or who else is on the map. Perhaps the next time you see a large group of players you can try using adult words and communicating - I'll be happy to let you know what's going on and if things are unfairly balanced against you, I will probably agree that they are. Everyone needs someone to hate, and I seem to be the target for most. I doesn't really bother me, I just feel the need to try and correct misconceptions.
It is also rather hypocritical to complain about the numbers of AD at times when looking at what EP has done the past few days. I don't blame GoS or Zazeer for wanting to hold emp. I know it's not their fault that there are other EP groups who come into Cyrodiil at the same time. I know that it's not GoS that is pushing AD back to both gates at times (the group of 21 EP who did that for three hours two days ago until I had to make a group of randoms (PuGs) and take BM/Fare back to open transit for those heading to IC as nobody in my regular groups/guilds wanted to take time away from farming trophies/stones. There are a lot of *** in the game as there are in real life. Blaming one person for the acts of others does nothing but show a lack of understanding, common sense, and reasonableness on the part of the blamer.
On the bright side, I achieved the Alliance war rank of General last night (and then slept for 12 hours), so I'm feeling good today!If anyone hasn't seen the General's Gold colour, here it is:
vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person? So lastnight when there were about 60 eps rolling keeps they were being lead by Zazeer?
@Slaxis no no.. it was the RylanaZerg. You should know better than that, Zazeer only leads GoS, but @Rylana controls all of EP!
EDIT: Yes, I think I'm hilarious. You should see what I type in zone ;-)
vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSsU_hkKVFQ To summarize and make it its own point, my beef about the whole thing is the e-peening by a yellow guild that is claiming they somehow dominated Zaz and GoS, when the actual reality is during Zaz's first dethrone, WE NEVER EVEN FOUGHT THEM, we were fighting a blue guild the entire evening.
As said in another comment somewhere, when the same raid we had fighting vehemence up north decided to come cap alessia because we had a short span of time to spare to help SWP down south, we obliterated at least 30 AD inside the inner of Alessia without a single man down. We were playing some of our best PvP that day, its only regrettable we lost a fight vs VE at Chalman while Rage and co (smartly so, might i add) ninjaed the last emp keep BRK out from under us at the same time.
Well done, but dont claim Rage beat GoS cause they didnt even fight them for that, we arrived about 20 seconds too late, maybe three of us actually got into the door before the keep flipped.
There isnt much reason to mention the second dethrone, no one but me was in Cyro defending, emp was sleeping, so it was a pure PvDoor affair for those that took the ring (hypocrisy at its finest, considering people claim GoS does nothing but nightcap PvDoor, i mean we didnt crown Zaz last night at 10pm US time or anything, primetime)
Force-Siphon wrote: »After yellow and red kill each other DC will swoop in and institute cheese and cabbage for everyone!!!
houimetub17_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person?
I can tell you from personal experience if there is a guy there named BKs, that this is exactly what is happening.
Ohhhh here it is ladies and gentlemen. Blame the guild twas kicked out of.
houimetub17_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person?
I can tell you from personal experience if there is a guy there named BKs, that this is exactly what is happening.
Ohhhh here it is ladies and gentlemen. Blame the guild twas kicked out of.
I didnt get kicked, i quit. And you know it, because BKs was throwing the biggest oldman rage fit I had ever heard. But that lie of yours is easily debunked, shall i call witnesses? the ones who also quit with me? Glarin? Xi? Others?
Cmon Red, its one thing to be a forum warrior, but its quite another to blatantly slander someone when what actually happened is already well known.
The whole reason I even mentioned it in that response was because it was the reason I quit in the first place, raid 3 forming, are you serious? Raid THREE? All stacked on one guy, stealth bombing groups 1/4 of their size and wiping to Havoc in Drakelowe when they had 12 guys. That was the day I realized how bad the guild had become. But we have been over this.
houimetub17_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person?
I can tell you from personal experience if there is a guy there named BKs, that this is exactly what is happening.
Ohhhh here it is ladies and gentlemen. Blame the guild twas kicked out of.
I didnt get kicked, i quit. And you know it, because BKs was throwing the biggest oldman rage fit I had ever heard. But that lie of yours is easily debunked, shall i call witnesses? the ones who also quit with me? Glarin? Xi? Others?
Cmon Red, its one thing to be a forum warrior, but its quite another to blatantly slander someone when what actually happened is already well known.
The whole reason I even mentioned it in that response was because it was the reason I quit in the first place, raid 3 forming, are you serious? Raid THREE? All stacked on one guy, stealth bombing groups 1/4 of their size and wiping to Havoc in Drakelowe when they had 12 guys. That was the day I realized how bad the guild had become. But we have been over this.
BWAHAHAHAHA
You really should not lecture someone on creating lies. As you are the master oh great story teller.
houimetub17_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person?
I can tell you from personal experience if there is a guy there named BKs, that this is exactly what is happening.
Ohhhh here it is ladies and gentlemen. Blame the guild twas kicked out of.
I didnt get kicked, i quit. And you know it, because BKs was throwing the biggest oldman rage fit I had ever heard. But that lie of yours is easily debunked, shall i call witnesses? the ones who also quit with me? Glarin? Xi? Others?
Cmon Red, its one thing to be a forum warrior, but its quite another to blatantly slander someone when what actually happened is already well known.
The whole reason I even mentioned it in that response was because it was the reason I quit in the first place, raid 3 forming, are you serious? Raid THREE? All stacked on one guy, stealth bombing groups 1/4 of their size and wiping to Havoc in Drakelowe when they had 12 guys. That was the day I realized how bad the guild had become. But we have been over this.
BWAHAHAHAHA
You really should not lecture someone on creating lies. As you are the master oh great story teller.
I dont lie. Ever. I tell you exactly what I see from my perspective. if you have another one, by all means share it, but im way too honest to continue to ignore this blatant BS youre spewing.
houimetub17_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person?
I can tell you from personal experience if there is a guy there named BKs, that this is exactly what is happening.
Ohhhh here it is ladies and gentlemen. Blame the guild twas kicked out of.
I didnt get kicked, i quit. And you know it, because BKs was throwing the biggest oldman rage fit I had ever heard. But that lie of yours is easily debunked, shall i call witnesses? the ones who also quit with me? Glarin? Xi? Others?
Cmon Red, its one thing to be a forum warrior, but its quite another to blatantly slander someone when what actually happened is already well known.
The whole reason I even mentioned it in that response was because it was the reason I quit in the first place, raid 3 forming, are you serious? Raid THREE? All stacked on one guy, stealth bombing groups 1/4 of their size and wiping to Havoc in Drakelowe when they had 12 guys. That was the day I realized how bad the guild had become. But we have been over this.
BWAHAHAHAHA
You really should not lecture someone on creating lies. As you are the master oh great story teller.
I dont lie. Ever. I tell you exactly what I see from my perspective. if you have another one, by all means share it, but im way too honest to continue to ignore this blatant BS youre spewing.
Blatant BS? Please go look at the video. It proves what you said in the other thread to be lies. If you are to full of your self to see this then you really need a reality check. You perspective has already been proven to be wrong, and therefore can not be trusted. You can hold on to your lies in your head, but when you spew them I will correct you.
houimetub17_ESO wrote: »vortexman11 wrote: »Thank you for making a video directed at GoS that had no members of GoS in it. I'm not even joking, in this ENTIRE video there was not one member of GoS, this only reinforces the problems we have when we can't count on the rest of EP to hold off even 10 AD. During almost every clip in this video we were busy fighting DC.
@manny254 Please post a video of RAGE wiping a full raid of VE with 10 people and no pugs helping. Then I wouldn't mind your constant rage tells about how I'm zerging even though half the time I run in solo and others show up, or I'm not even there.
Did I send you rage tells when you gate camped on Thornblade? No.
Did I send you rage tells fighting you guys 5v1 while Vizeroh spammed petrify on me? No
So stop sending me rage tells please, and stop acting like you guys are always the only AD on the map.
@Crown I still have a hard time believing you're in a group of 10 when a few days ago during your emperorship while we were fighting at Arrius there was near 70 AD there. And if you really were in a group of 10. Splitting into 7 groups of 10 people to take the same objective doesn't count as not zerging.
So if 70 AD are in 1 location there being lead by 1 person?
I can tell you from personal experience if there is a guy there named BKs, that this is exactly what is happening.
Ohhhh here it is ladies and gentlemen. Blame the guild twas kicked out of.
I didnt get kicked, i quit. And you know it, because BKs was throwing the biggest oldman rage fit I had ever heard. But that lie of yours is easily debunked, shall i call witnesses? the ones who also quit with me? Glarin? Xi? Others?
Cmon Red, its one thing to be a forum warrior, but its quite another to blatantly slander someone when what actually happened is already well known.
The whole reason I even mentioned it in that response was because it was the reason I quit in the first place, raid 3 forming, are you serious? Raid THREE? All stacked on one guy, stealth bombing groups 1/4 of their size and wiping to Havoc in Drakelowe when they had 12 guys. That was the day I realized how bad the guild had become. But we have been over this.
BWAHAHAHAHA
You really should not lecture someone on creating lies. As you are the master oh great story teller.
I dont lie. Ever. I tell you exactly what I see from my perspective. if you have another one, by all means share it, but im way too honest to continue to ignore this blatant BS youre spewing.
Blatant BS? Please go look at the video. It proves what you said in the other thread to be lies. If you are to full of your self to see this then you really need a reality check. You perspective has already been proven to be wrong, and therefore can not be trusted. You can hold on to your lies in your head, but when you spew them I will correct you.
Your video proves you can beat someone that is not GoS, and then somehow claim youre beating GoS by proxy?
Is that your point because i seem to be missing the connection. I represent GoS, not whoever that was (i think swp) in your vid.
Cheezus Sliced guys!!!! Lets just try to organize a GvG i can't speak for GoS but i can pose the question an see what comes out of it.... Crown what do you say? No B.S.... No Drama... just a good old fashioned GvG bloodbath for the fun of it.
DK SCRUB OUT
Cheezus Sliced guys!!!! Lets just try to organize a GvG i can't speak for GoS but i can pose the question an see what comes out of it.... Crown what do you say? No B.S.... No Drama... just a good old fashioned GvG bloodbath for the fun of it.
DK SCRUB OUT
*Sigh* Proof nothing is getting through to anyone.
Once again. Crown is not a Officer or group leader of Rage.
Cheezus Sliced guys!!!! Lets just try to organize a GvG i can't speak for GoS but i can pose the question an see what comes out of it.... Crown what do you say? No B.S.... No Drama... just a good old fashioned GvG bloodbath for the fun of it.
DK SCRUB OUT
*Sigh* Proof nothing is getting through to anyone.
Once again. Crown is not a Officer or group leader of Rage.
Well how about Rage then????
Seriously all this animosity towards eachother is not needed... you guys roll lots of numbers at times and so do we. There is always a claim or dispute from either side so why not just swallow the epeens and have a few GvG's and possibly learn to enjoy fighting one another like we enjoy fighting VE who are good sports and good players. I still don't get these videos of look at us we are better than xyz faction. We all have moments of glory but trashing a faction i just don't get.I'm not saying that is the intent here or maybe it is but either way... PvP is much more enjoyable and challenging when the parties involved can communicate in a decent manner. Im not saying we all be friends and sing songs together, just respect that we are all PvPers and no different from eachother
DK SCRUB OUT
Bring it on, Trueflame was mostly a Vehemence vs GoS fight up north with the crownzerg taking semi-defended keeps full of pugs down south. (it was actually funny how in the one break we had from fighting VE, we took Alessia in about 2 minutes flat and killed over 30 AD in there)
The BRK dethrone keep we didnt even get to after VE managed to wiped us out of Chalman
I mean it sounds like gloating, is this gloating mendo? Because I will bring the fight to you over and over on a daily basis. It took VE guesting to Trueflame to dethrone Zaz, god knows AD cant do it alone. O_o The AD on Trueflame are generally not a concern or problem to contain, but you bring a solid group like Vehemence over and well, AD gets ignored so we can focus on the real fight. But gg either way.
For the record - we let thorn go, Sinful had some IRL stuff come up and wanted to be deposed so someone else could have a shot at it. Whoever is emp now isnt one of us afaik.