R0M2K wrote: »

Survavility while goong glass cannon... No sense.

stamina two handers using vigor+rally(maybe it is momentum?) templar permaderpblockers who full heal left and right in a split second, DK permaderpblockers, the list goes on and on. ALL of those types of builds are hard to fight yet not many people complain about them.......everyone likes to complain about sorcs and their shields.....

*throws paper in the air* I give up

Do people realize what Shield stacking for a Sorcerer is?

1. CONJURED WARD

2. ANNULMENT

That's it!

Conjured ward deals with all damage, Annulment ONLY ABSORBS MAGICAL DAMAGE and is USELESS AGAINST PHYSICAL.

Healing ward is for healing not shielding.

Sorcerers use annulment as a buffer against magical attacks and enchants damage from physical.

Without Shields a sorcerer dies. Which is what they were FORCED to do when ZoS make LIGHT ARMOR 1/4 of heavy armor.

Shield breaker PUNISHES sorcerers for being forced to use shields to survive when they were nerfed light armor with soft caps removed.

It's like punishing a templar for healing, Nightblade for stealth and a death knight for reflect.

It isn't balancing it's vindictive hatred from ZoS part. Hope someone gets fired over this design choice.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Shield have never been a problem, just people need to learn to deal with them.

lol, please never go fr

paulsimonps wrote: »

I have mentioned this before, DoT's and Crit simply doesn't make sense on Magical Shields even if we want them there to better our damage output against them. Most DoT's are things like Fire, Poison, Bleed or other effects, effects you would expect a bubble of magicka that surrounds you to protect you from, when you put someone on fire it is them you put on fire, but how would you put fire to something that is magicka? How will you make a field of pure magicka bleed? And what is a Critical Strike? Its when you hit a weak spot of an enemy or hit extra hard in a specific instance. Now where would the weak spot be on a shield? Nowhere, that's where. And yea sure you could go with that you hit it extra hard but ain't that just the same as doing your most damage dealing attack? So it makes sense that you can't apply DoT's or Crits and Shield Stacking while it is an annoying thing makes sense too, you see in movies and video games all the time where mages and wizards apply multiple protective barriers on people or places. And this is all coming from a DK Tank that PvP's I'm all for making the shield more balanced I'm just saying from a lore perspective how it is now makes sense.

LOL so you would mind if my Lethal Injection that hit YOU at 20% health before you put a shield up keeps hitting you right cause how is a shield of pure magic stopping poison already in your blood tell me that.

Logic and fantasy OMG poor excuses...

Ppl getting inmunity to crits & dots its TOTAL crap.

Digiman wrote: »

Shield stacking became a PROBLEM when ZoS make LIGHT ARMOR 1/4 weaker the heavy armor in conjunction with caps on stats being taken off you had huge amounts of damage that would tear light armor apart like wet tissues.

Shields stacking was then bandaid to fix a mess so Sorcerers could survive. Because investing in health was utterly pointless and magicka increased the power of spells everyone went shield stacking to survive.

Until they decide to properly fix magicka sorcerers survivability your just going to see them with shields like the S.S Enterprise. Shieldbreaker was made to punish those forced into using shield stacking to survive because Light armor was made to wear nothing

No proper self healing also made it hard, as sorcerer are burst set up related and can't really lay down proper sustained damage in PvP for Surge to mean something.

So far there is a build Toxic Tornado Sorcerer, which is stamina based that would make them incredible powerful without shields. But really, rolling a sorcerer just to wield melee abilities and deal physical damage? That's redundant.

Agree pretty much.

I think they problem they made is the shield/block mitgation vs armour mitigation ratio.
Passive armour mitigation should have been much higher and block/shield mitigation much lower across the board.
At the moment and historically any armour was useless.....so rather than improve armour (light armour buff noted) effectiveness and reduce ward/block effectiveness....they nerfed blocking and mitigation everywhere.

Lets just admit everyone until now was just holding block or stacking shields because armour was useless.
Rather than fix that imbalance...ZOS has just tried to stop people from using block or shield stacking when there was never a choice not to.

How long until they use no regen when shield stacking ?
The magicka builds would be straight out with the torches and pitchforks.

My main is a Sorc and I use shields but with shield breaker being used by enemies I need to be more careful when and how I use them. I find it more balanced as it happens. Yes they still need to fix a few things but I am enjoying the PvP more now due to more thought going into it rather than single/double button mashing. Fights last a bit longer and finding different combinations of skills and movement more interesting than before. I DO NOT have problems against players with Shield Breaker set either.

R0M2K wrote: »

The thing is, for the price of a shield you are getting inmunity to crits & dots.

And people then saying: "equip shield breaker set".... Instead of using a more general purpose set you are gimped in gearing towards a very particular mechanic, rending yourself useless for general purposes.

We are already mixing sets and abilities to cope with PvP mixed with PvE, I agree you should not be forced towards a single game mechanic but there are other options are there not? We have had to deal with endlessly healing, fire breathing Dk's for ages etc. etc, the list goes on. We adjust, adapt etc. There are as many Nb's in IC as there are sorcerers that I have found.
I feel more sorry for the Stamina based classes because they have been kicked in the face with the update.

Master_Kas wrote: »

Nah man , better yet buff shields AND remove shieldbreaker set.

So we can tank better with a dress and stick better than a heavy armor tank.

These players (specially some sorcerers) really enjoy their spamming their defenses with no penalty.. Yea they want whats best for the game & game balance.

Amen. 100% agree with @Master_Kas. As I wrote in many shieldbreaker Qq posts, just slot finally heal my sorc friends, hardened + illustrious healing and mutagen are more than enough to counter this set.. Som1 wrote here healing ward is considered as heal spell for sorcs haahah, my dear actualy its the strongest shield ingame.. Stop spamming shields like crazy and finally use ur brain.. If u cant adjust to current state.. Srry u are/were just bad sorc..

R0M2K wrote: »

Ill tell you a secret for those QQ sorcs: Sentry set.

Hows a medium armor set going to help sorcs who mainly use magicka builds?

Ryuho wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Nah man , better yet buff shields AND remove shieldbreaker set.

So we can tank better with a dress and stick better than a heavy armor tank.

These players (specially some sorcerers) really enjoy their spamming their defenses with no penalty.. Yea they want whats best for the game & game balance.

Amen. 100% agree with @Master_Kas. As I wrote in many shieldbreaker Qq posts, just slot finally heal my sorc friends, hardened + illustrious healing and mutagen are more than enough to counter this set.. Som1 wrote here healing ward is considered as heal spell for sorcs haahah, my dear actualy its the strongest shield ingame.. Stop spamming shields like crazy and finally use ur brain.. If u cant adjust to current state.. Srry u are/were just bad sorc..

This is just not true, most sorcs want to remove shield stacking because its a boring mechanic but its not like sorcs have much choice if they want to be competitive. Standing in one place and spamming healing springs might work for 1v1 without mobs etc but this is highly impracticable in most real situations.

Healing Ward is the main problem because its the only good burst heal available for sorcs. If Healing Ward would change to a direct heal without the shield, the shield stacking mechanic could be removed. The best solution would be to make the strongest shield stay to prevent an 8k shield to disappear when a DK casts a 2k Igneous Shield for example.

Without shield stacking Hardened Ward would still be the only defensive sorcs and might need a small buff, depending on the strength of the new Healing Ward. Dark Exchange also looks like a good skill to buff if shield stacking is removed, I have no clue why such a small heal needs a cast time in the first place. If the heal was a lot stronger the cast time might not be such a problem.

To sum it up:

• Remove the shield stacking mechanic, the strongest shield stays.
• Change healing ward to a direct heal without the shield.
• Slightly buff Hardened Ward, depending on the strength of the new healing ward.
• Remove the cast time of Dark Exchange and slightly buff the heal, or keep the cast time and greatly buff the heal.

If the shield stacking mechanic stays the shieldbreaker set needs to have either a cool down, reduced damage or extra dmg to the shield instead of health. And people saying shieldbreaker brings class balance please dont be bias, free light attacks to counter the only surviving mechanic of an entire class is anything but balance.

Please take these suggestions into consideration @ZOS_RichLambert