Guild bank scam

Belidos · September 2015

EnglishDragon17 wrote: »

Lots of people get werewolf scammed as well but zos ignore it.

No they don't, they check the logs when reported and if the chat logs and trade logs show they scammed someone they get suspended and the money is returned.

Anlaemar · September 2015

You weren't scammed. You're the one who put the old in the guild bank. Whether on accident or on purpose, the guild and its members had no part in it.

Your fault. If it was on accident, pay attention next time. If not, you joined a bad guild.

Alucardo · September 2015

Is this the guy who took your money?

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Wow OP. That's pretty messed up. I'm aware that it kinda is your fault, an how it was an honest mistake. But truth be told, that's pretty extreme. If I were ZOS, I'd definitely return your money. The whole situation seems kinda sketchy, to be honest. It was a clear mistake (as I don't know anyone who'd intentionally deposit 2M in the bank), and for the guild leader to just kick you out immediately after? That's just wrong. Say what you want, everyone. But if it were you who that happened to, you'd feel bad and ask for some form of compassion or compensation as well.

Either way, I hope this is a lesson learned OP. To be very careful of not only which guild you join, but of how you handle things. I hope you either can get your money back, or a fraction of it back. If neither, then I apologize to hear man. Take it easy.

Moonshadow66 · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Wow OP. That's pretty messed up. I'm aware that it kinda is your fault, an how it was an honest mistake. But truth be told, that's pretty extreme. If I were ZOS, I'd definitely return your money. The whole situation seems kinda sketchy, to be honest. It was a clear mistake (as I don't know anyone who'd intentionally deposit 2M in the bank), and for the guild leader to just kick you out immediately after? That's just wrong. Say what you want, everyone. But if it were you who that happened to, you'd feel bad and ask for some form of compassion or compensation as well.

Either way, I hope this is a lesson learned OP. To be very careful of not only which guild you join, but of how you handle things. I hope you either can get your money back, or a fraction of it back. If neither, then I apologize to hear man. Take it easy.

^This, every single thing!

willymchilybily · September 2015

starkerealm wrote: »

Eattangolot wrote: »

At this point I don't even care about the gold. I want the game makers to fix this problem as in cod it should say are you sure you want to deposit X amount of gold to guild X. are you sure you want to deposit X item to X guild bank.
I was supposed to start my own guild with that money. now up s**** Creek with no paddle.
and the biggest flaw is this form of scamming is completely acceptable.

Seriously, were you trying to add the gold to a different guild, and the UI bugged out? If so, that is what you need to say in the support ticket. Not, "oh god, I got scammed by a bad man." Getting scammed this way they will not help you with. The UI bugging out? That they probably will.

^^ agreee

I'd have not dwelled on the guy kicking me and taking my money but the fact that there was an "interface problem" a "bug" caused me to deposit the 2m gold in the wrong guild bank. Then maybe "i have tried to ask the guild master to return the gold because it was a mistake caused by a faulty UI, but he will not and has kicked me, so this course is no longer open to me".... is there anything you can do to help.

people are people. If you lead with a whine and complain to a ZOS master, and phrase what happened as poorly as you did in this forum thread the answer will always be no. If you explain it correctly you will be surprised what you can get with manners and tactful choice of wording. I guess though that knowledge comes with age and you sound fairly young (less than 20 years?)

I expect the only reason you didnt get the 2m back is the guy spent it (if he is smart making it harder to check/trace) and if they gave you another 2 million there is no way to tell it wasn't you scamming them.

failkiwib16_ESO · September 2015

Honestly, from reading what happened here it seems like a case where you messed up hugely, and your guildmaster is being a total insert-bad-word, however he doesn't owe you loyalty, so what he did is fine. Just be careful with where you deposit your gold in the future, and try to avoid shady guildmasters.

Also be careful with calling people scammers when they are not. It can ruin peoples reputation, and if proven false it can ruin yours.

Edit: removed bad word and replaced with insert-bad-word!

ViscousSummer88 · September 2015

My question would be why on earth did you deposit that amount of money into the Guild bank in the first place? I would say it's common sense to not just go around putting that into places others shared control over unless you're willing for it to be used...

failkiwib16_ESO · September 2015

ViscousSummer88 wrote: »

My question would be why on earth did you deposit that amount of money into the Guild bank in the first place? I would say it's common sense to not just go around putting that into places others shared control over unless you're willing for it to be used...

Well he deposited the gold in the wrong guildbank.

He may have intended to lend his friend 2 million gold, for x reason.
He may run a guild, and wanted to deposit the gold in his own guildbank.
He may have wished to donate 2 million gold to his favorite trading guild.
He may have owed someone money, and the guildbank was the fastest option. In case the other players inbox is full, and plays in a different faction - there will not be option for direct trade.

For some players millions come and go, it is not that big of a deal - where for others 2k is what they scrap up after a whole week of questing. I've seen 6 digit numbers be thrown in and out of guildbanks, but I've also played since the beta and on PC platform, and I've been in a lot of different types of guilds.

Tandor · September 2015

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

ViscousSummer88 wrote: »

My question would be why on earth did you deposit that amount of money into the Guild bank in the first place? I would say it's common sense to not just go around putting that into places others shared control over unless you're willing for it to be used...

Well he deposited the gold in the wrong guildbank.

He may have intended to lend his friend 2 million gold, for x reason.
He may run a guild, and wanted to deposit the gold in his own guildbank.
He may have wished to donate 2 million gold to his favorite trading guild.
He may have owed someone money, and the guildbank was the fastest option. In case the other players inbox is full, and plays in a different faction - there will not be option for direct trade.

For some players millions come and go, it is not that big of a deal - where for others 2k is what they scrap up after a whole week of questing. I've seen 6 digit numbers be thrown in and out of guildbanks, but I've also played since the beta and on PC platform, and I've been in a lot of different types of guilds.

He said he wanted to use the gold to open his own guild, so it's a valid question to ask why he was putting it in someone else's guild irrespective of the fact that he put it in the wrong one.

CoyoteNZ · September 2015

ViscousSummer88 wrote: »

Well he deposited the gold in the wrong guildbank.

He may have intended to lend his friend 2 million gold, for x reason.
He may run a guild, and wanted to deposit the gold in his own guildbank.
He may have wished to donate 2 million gold to his favorite trading guild.
He may have owed someone money, and the guildbank was the fastest option. In case the other players inbox is full, and plays in a different faction - there will not be option for direct trade.

For some players millions come and go, it is not that big of a deal - where for others 2k is what they scrap up after a whole week of questing. I've seen 6 digit numbers be thrown in and out of guildbanks, but I've also played since the beta and on PC platform, and I've been in a lot of different types of guilds.

Now this is why it is his problem, not Zos's problem. There are legit reasons why he may have made the transaction he did, and for all they know, something fell through and he wants his gold back.

Their is no evidence of a scam, and we really don't want Zos staff ending up spending all their limited resources solving arguments. Scams, yes, band them. Accidents, falling outs, guild politics, don't take up their time!

Pewpewcannon · September 2015

the issue here is....if ZoS returns his money, does the guy in the old guild keep his 2 mill too?

If so, you would have alot of people trying to scam ZoS by doing this same thing with guildmasters they personally know.

RSram · September 2015

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

RSram wrote: »

Is not a scam, its a mistake that you made. Why the guild won't give you your gold back is beyond me? Most of the guilds I see are legit and are run by honest players.

I also have made the same mistakes as you but with items instead of gold.

The other issue may be that there is no transaction log that the guild leader can refer to, so he or she can't determine who deposited the gold; correct me if I'm wrong on this.

So here are my suggestions to the developers:

1) Like I previously posted in about the skill resets in that once you make all your transactions you should have options to submit or abort the transaction with the name of the bank, guild, or merchant included.

2) All transactions with a guild store or bank should be recorded and be available to the administrator of the store or bank. The transaction should at a minimum include the player's name, item sold or stored, and amount or cost of the item.

I be pissed too if I lost 2 million gold, it takes me two months of farming to make a million gold.

There is a log any member can see

If your correct, then the guild administrator would see that the OP was the one who deposited the 2 million in gold. If I'm understanding you correctly? The brief summary of events don't make sense to me.

So we're back to the guild being shady? It seems to me that if all the transaction logs can be viewed by ZOS and the OP has reported them, the logs don't lie, so if ZOS were to ban the guild leader from the game if the OP is true, who would manage the guild and its bank then. This would get really ugly from the point of view of the other guild members. I could see why ZOS might not want to get involved.

CoyoteNZ · September 2015

The log show who deposited stuff, it doesn't explain the reason. So just because it is easy to confirm, yes 2 million went it, it is still guild politics of why it went in. It would be unreasonable to just withdraw it one one persons side of the argument, and we don't want Zos to start having to settle arguments now do we

The (primary) guild I'm in has a simple policy, they are saving towards traders, and money put into the bank is a donation towards that cause, and will be spent on the bidding. If 2m went in, it would probably go quickly as well towards a bid!

Epona222 · September 2015

If I deposited 2 million in the wrong guild bank, I'd just chalk it up to my own idiocy.
I probably wouldn't admit to having done it either, because it might make me look a bit stupid.

Now people do occasionally deposit something into my guild bank that they didn't intend to (with items, that is usually due to lag in the bank/inventory screen), and I'll always pull the item from the bank and mail it back to the guild member as soon as I am alerted.

But how can you not pay attention to where you are putting 2 million? The mind boggles.

EDIT: And no, I do not want a confirmation dialogue box for depositing items, gold perhaps, but not items - keeping a guild bank tidy is already a tedious job.

Lamiai · September 2015

Its you're mistake for putting 2 million gold into a guild bank that you don't control...what did you expect Honor? Gamers are not known for being selfless individuals

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2015

2 million into the wrong guild bank ?

Wanna make us (and ZOS) believe that it is a mistake AND a scam ? You don't think that's a little bit over the top ?

If ZOS gave you your gold back on this occasion, everybody would start making up some similar story to duplicate gold.

Sorry but just be more careful. How on Mundus can someone deposit 2 million without TRIPLE checking where ?

TequilaFire · September 2015

OP made a mistake yes, but what disturbs me the most is ZOS calling actions by the guilds as "politics" rather than actions by players able to be regulated.

Guilds seem to be in control of the game in things like emperor trading, guild traders, campaigns etc.
This leaves so much abuse possible.

Epona222 · September 2015

And then there are the conspiracy theorists... *Twilight Zone music*

LiquidZ · September 2015

Why in the world would you put 2,000,000 in the bank unless you knew the guild master very well or something.

BucFanJKE · September 2015

Please do not put multiple confirms for every guild bank deposit. That will make the already time consuming job of restacking items longer and more of a pain in the ass. And for crafting guilds that just drop all mats in banks it will be exceptionally annoying when you are dropping an entire inventory of materials you just gathered.

If you are depositing anything of importance, make sure you are at the right guild. If you fail to do that, then it's only your fault. The GM for the guild that allegedly withdrew the funds is shady if that's true. But it's still your fault for doing it.