I would hate for them to exchange a Lemon for a Turd.


But I hold Very Little value in any "Promise" that Zos makes.

Once bitten, Twice shy.

I never heard they were going to be removed, just that CP is going tobe seasonally capped

I don't mind having Vet Ranks. I craft new items all the time and use different armor/weapon sets. I make them Legendary too.

For me, Vet Ranks are no more than a next level... What confuses me is that you have to be at Vet I to start earning Champion points.

Why not start earning them at level 10? with an ever increasing amount of Xp till the next Champion point allotted. That way people could actually " catch-up"

I really don't think they will be removing them anytime soon. I get the feeling they are going to have trouble releasing content quarterly without a fairly major change in game mechanics.

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

For me, Vet Ranks are no more than a next level... What confuses me is that you have to be at Vet I to start earning Champion points.

Why not start earning them at level 10? with an ever increasing amount of Xp till the next Champion point allotted. That way people could actually " catch-up"

Well 400k xp on a character between 1 to 50 is around 15 levels. They would have to downscale the xp requirement per champion point at each individual level below 50

If there is yet another VR rank increase, then ZoE is really trying to kill ESO.

Stravokov wrote: »

id rather have re-playable content rather than the Gear Treadmill that VR levels represent. lets not forget, that is the MAIN reason the Vet Levels were going to be removed. it was also the MAIN reason the champion system was introduce, to replace the gear grind/treadmill. to continue character progress without having to constantly get that next piece of gear just to stay competitive in PVE/PVP (which is no different than gear progression since the champion system is 100% vertical progression just like gear!).

that was the initial plan, but it is clear to me that they have thrown that idea out the window. now we have both a HUGE gear treadmill with IC, AND champion points to deal with. as it stands, they have doubled the difficulty for character development and to remain competitive. who does this effect? mostly casual gamers probably. casual gamers are their cash cow, willing to pay money for "convenience" items in the store since they don't have the time to put in the hours like the hardcore crowd.

when you look back at everything and the direction they are moving and the choices they have made, it is clear to me they dont have a *** clue on what direction they want to take this game.

This a million times.

The casual gamers that still have a bit of a desire to be competitive are hurt the most from the inclusion of the gear grind, vet ranks, AND champion points.

The way I see the game going is a slow decline and death, unless they do something about the INSANE amount of time grinding needed just to be able to play a poorly balanced bit of PVP, or competitive PVE.

delushin wrote: »

You can grind VR pretty quickly if you get ESO Plus, buy crown store xp scrolls, marry someone and group up and hit a grinding zone for hours doing laps and yelling at others who can't follow the most effective pattern.

lmao!

The CP/VR system was all fine and dandy as long as the SUB FEE was going to pay the salaries a keep the servers running. Now that they had to scrap the Sub Fee model ZOS has basically walled themselves into one heck of a problem! This system might have worked for a Sub Fee game that catered to a select group of dedicated players, but when you start asking for BTP and even some -not all because I wanted Sub Fee for console- console players to be willing to stick around and get punished for not playing 18 hours a day then yes... Yes your game is going to derail itself from the mainstream players simply because they are not going to want to buy and join a game where they will never be able to play on a competitive playing field with their friends.

Things have to change we all know that.. But the question is does ZOS understand this? If they do they sure are not communicating this with the players at all. They seem to be releasing a vibe of. "This is how we are going to do it and you are going to like it or leave" problem is many players are doing just that and I HATE THAT!

A lot of this could be fixed if ZOS would at least talk to us about these issues on their own forums instead we are left to hop around the internet and hunt down scraps of information on obscure websites and reddit tid bits of information. The communication between developers and players here is horrible and it honestly isn't that hard to fix if they would put forth the effort.

Believe it or not most of us on these forums want a better game and even the negative post are mostly stemmed from frustration and not flat out troll post. I know I get out of hand at times, but I just wanted so much from ESO and to see it circling the drain hole like this makes me angry at times lol.

Arandear wrote: »

As much as I want them removed (And I am confident they actually will be removed with Orsinnium), I imagine myself, it's a really tough situation for them to actually remove them seeing as all content past 50 relies on them. Just my opinion though.

They've already said that Orsinium will add VR17 and VR18 to game play so I doubt they're planning on removing them with Orsinium.

The bigger problem is they've got so much baked into the game that depends on VR levels (like which mats you can use to construct/use armor/weapons/potions/food,etc.) that they're going to need some way to replace the VR ranks with tiers in the CP system or something. Then you'll be facing "Champion Tier 7" monsters or players instead of VR7 monsters or players. And instead of grinding VR levels you'll be grinding CP levels. Yeah, that'll be totally different.

Azalin76 wrote: »

There are a lot of valid points here. With new games coming out like fallout 4 and fallen king (which will fix a lot of problems that destiny has now, which are the same problems this game has). I think that starting next week the game is going to start dropping rapidly and Zos is going to have no choice but to lay more people off and start packing things up. I love this game but the grind is to long and the content is boring after I've done it 5 or 6 times now. It's the same reason I left world of warcraft. Trying to grind to 90 doing the same quests over and over is just not how I want to spend my time. Sure xp potions are a great idea but they are expensive to buy for real money and the in game recipe is a grind itself. Having to do writs every day then after you have it you have to grind out fishing in hopes of finding a rare material to make it only to sell it for 1/4 of its actual value. They should have just added the recipe in the store to buy and make it easier to get the mats. I feel punished not rewarded by trying to get this recipe just to level up my alts faster.

Getting abit off topic but if ya mean destinys the taken king then yeah it releases same day as IC on ps4. It looks great Bungie is really good at actually listening to its community and made some huge improvements based off feedback. If only Zos took a page out of their book.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I really want to see them removed correctly.
I won't say that they are delaying removing them but when it was announced it seemed like an end of 2015 thing so right now if they are gone by 2016, then they're on track.

Hmm yeah given the tight balance of PvP, this would have to be done more like hurt locker and less ace Ventura.