corrosivechains wrote: »

So the consensus is Imperials aren't overpowered, every other race is just underpowered, but no one wants the other races buffed because they paid to have imperials?

Also the Orc bonus is 4% to melee damage, not 6% flat damage.

Edit: Also because they don't make the best MAGICKA sorcerers, so they're not the best overall race to pick.

I could care less if other races get buffed... some are in dire need... the point is, ZOS offered a "special edition" called the Imperial Edition which offered the Imperial race and the bonuses that included. Every player had the option to buy this edition, they chose not to, yet want to sit and complain that they don't have the options equivalent to the Imperial race. What is with this world and the "I'm not responsible for my own actions" attitude these days? If you want it, you buy it, if you don't, then don't complain.

I'm not sure why all the complaining about Imperials. You guys seriously overrate them, and I'm saying this because i've tested every races' passives and its effects on damage, health recovery, magicka recovery and stamina recovery. By the way, Nords as of now have the best racial passives when it comes to health. Does no one do math here? Maybe, when I have some more time I'll post up some numbers, but safe to say Imperials aren't exactly top dog. People just look at a number and if it's greater than what they have they start complaining? Come on guys, do a little math and you'll see it's not big of a deal. Not to say Imperials have it bad but for example; Orcs output more damage due to their Swift Warrior passive despite Imperials having a larger stamina input. Redguards actually are better for sustained damage input, and because everyone lives longer, stamina resource management has become even more extremely important making redguards king here. Nords, technically have more health than all races because not only do they have a passive 9% increase in health, but 6% reduction to all incoming damage AND 30% health regen (when there was softcaps, this passive was crap, but not anymore now that soft caps have been removed). And right now magicka builds are doing very well in this patch. I'm sorry but an Imperial is not the best option if you want a magicka build either. "But but, because imperials have so much health, they can focus all their attribute points into magicka"...Well guess what, so can Nords. Oh and that's nothing compared to an Altmer who has magicka recovery, increased magicka pool, and increased damage to frost, shock, and fire.

Two sorcerers: One Imperial, One Altmer. Base stats at VR 16 will both be equal, excluding armor, weapons, racial passives. Base magicka at VR16 is 7958 - let's make it 8000 to make math easy. Now let's say I put my skill points into my respective racial passives. 10% for Altmers is 8000x1.1=8800. Remember that each attribute point grants 111 magicka. Thus for an Imperial with no racial passive for magicka, he/she stays at 8000. Now the difference is 800. That's now 800/111= (approximately) 7 more attribute points of where I see fit to spend. But wait a minute, remember that each attribute point into health is 122 not 111. So 7x122 = 854 points more. Now for all characters are VR16 base health is 8744. With imperial passive 12% percent more so 1049 more hit points. But remember that Altmer also has 4% more damage on frost, shock, fire. And if you're a sorcerer, that almost all inclusive. So that allows you even more leeway if you really want, to put more points into health if you want, which easily goes beyond that 1049 cap. Yes yes I know, as a resource pool becomes larger, so does the percentage benefit of that racial passive. Well the same goes for % magicka pool, % magicka recovery, % stamina recovery. And if you have to remember that utility abilities that keep you alive in a fight such as shields, healing, bolting away, cloaking away use magicka and stamina. Thus this game becomes more complicated than "Oh errr you have more hitpoints than me, so you must be better and live longerrrr...hurrr". No, it's now about how many times can I cast a utility spell before I run out of my primary resource before you do. And that answer becomes complicated when you factor in average magicka/stamina cost of your abilities on your ability bar vs. stamina/magicka recovery + stamina/magicka pool.

In short it's not black and white, Imperials are not overpowered, anyone with some due diligence and thought process will realize this, and pretty much every class has some good utility in this game. One side note though, argonians are still kinda ***, although I guess you could look at the fact that the Quick to Amend passive spares you more CP since you don't have to spend as many on Blessed (which is a very useful champion passive by the way as it has great utility) and could spend them elsewhere focusing on health/magicka/stamina recovery, or spell/weapon damage depending on your build.

Edited for typos and such

flintstone wrote: »

Levo18 wrote: »

If they touch imperials i want my Money back.

Yep, they better not touch Imperial....... even a little

It's all relative what if they left imperials alone but gave argonians 20% max health

mate you forget the much stamina gain alle 3 seconds for the redguard scaled on max stamina. a redguard with a 35-40k staminabuild have no problem with stamina management. a imperial must do a lot for this. all races have pros and contras. in one thing a race is better in another not so good. after the nervs to dodge/block and staminareg on the sets i found a redguard is a triple a race for stamina classes.

baddabumb16_ESO wrote: »

mate you forget the much stamina gain alle 3 seconds for the redguard scaled on max stamina. a redguard with a 35-40k staminabuild have no problem with stamina management. a imperial must do a lot for this. all races have pros and contras. in one thing a race is better in another not so good. after the nervs to dodge/block and staminareg on the sets i found a redguard is a triple a race for stamina classes.

The purpose was not to compare which race makes a better pure stamina build, but which class brings more to the table as far as stat increases based of racials go. Red diamond and adrenaline rush are both similar and good 3rd passives so I didn't see the need to compare them. But the +3,000 health compared to the +135 regen is a big difference

MissBizz wrote: »

Actually... I just wanted a horse... Never made an imperial until my third character.. Because I figured I should since I bought the imperial edition. Lol

Alucardo wrote: »

I play Breton on all my classes, but I bought the Imperial because I hate having 90% of a game. Well played, ZOS.. well played.

I also paid in advance for the horse, & because as an old game nerd I had to have 100 % of the game.
I play a 100% buffed stamina NB Imperial WW glass canon because I wanted a character that had blue eyes & silver-white hair that wasn't magicka based.
How's that for childish.
I wasn't even aware of racial differences when I paid in January 2014...
If I'd been smart enough to have end game in mind, or I'd read these forums earlier, I'd have a Bosmer or Redguard or Khajiit...and if I ever make a second character, and can get past my dislike of stick wavers, I'd have to be high Elf Vamp.

Zsymon wrote: »

It's a tiny amount of pay to win, pretty much all MMOs have that, but no one is going to win a fight just because his character is an Imperial.

So it is a pay to win, but if you pay, you do not win? How can that be a pay to win then?

It either is pay to win, or it is not. This clearly is not, as the Imperial doesn't have other passives that other races do. If the Imperial's passives would add to other standard passives, that would be p2w.

Heave argonian and Khajiit passives, but leave my Imperial alone !

Even lore is on my side:

Imperials -> Empire
Argonians -> Beloved prey of House Dres

13igTyme wrote: »

Dunmer master race!! +9% mag and +6% stam...

6% fire dmg and fire resist. Op.