Immersion breaking new polymorps and mounts!

Browiseth · September 2015

An absolute tonne of abilities in the game (lava whip, teleport strike, dragon leap, etc.) are very cartoonish and even ridiculous; something a little out of place in an otherwise grounded western RPG world. I don't see how we can complain about these polymorphs when that's all still in the game.

dudenamedchris · September 2015

Personally I think these kinds of mounts should be able to be bought with Ingame gold not real life money in the crown store but ZOS has said that they aren't planning or interested in adding more Ingame purchase able mounts

BabeestorGor · September 2015

dudenamedchris wrote: »

Personally I think these kinds of mounts should be able to be bought with Ingame gold not real life money in the crown store but ZOS has said that they aren't planning or interested in adding more Ingame purchase able mounts

I'd like to be able to get some mounts from questing eg the bear mount should be obtainable through a quest in the Orsinium dlc. The crown store could then sell the snow bear, skeletal bear, rainbow bear etc.

SeptimusDova · September 2015

Profit matters customers dont

nimander99 · September 2015

/sigh

Looks cool to me, I look forward to it.

Gidorick · September 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Ugh... why do we have to keep making this point. Arvak and Shadowmere are ONE-OF-A-KIND creatures. TES Doesn't have every Tom, Rick, and Harry riding around on these kinds of mounts.
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Because its how magic works; because they could be one of a kind for no reason other than the other games were single-player and you didn't encounter other adventurers with the means to acquire rarer knowledge.

Because Zenimax isn't go to change it and these threads are useless and you all need to just relax and roll with it.

As long as they don't add Dwemer steam-powered motorcycles, anything they do with Horses, Guar and Senche is meaningless.

If these kinds of mounts were commonplace they would have been seen in the single player games. Sure there are special cases like Shadowmare... who really just had red eyes, not so special. These two mounts are very specific mounts, not a kind of mount "race'.

Furthermore, I have implored ZOS to include these mounts in-game in SOME way. Ideally we would go on a quest that requires the mount or rewards the mounts (like Arvak and Shadowmare) or ZOS could just make the mounts wild horses. Fire horse at the base of the volcanos in Shadowfen. Ice mounts in Eastmarch, and mindshriven mounts in Imperial City. This would actually be enough justification for me.

I even asked for them to just be sold AT the stables... but ZOS said "No". Literally. They responded on ESO live!

I don't think we are being unreasonable and I for one and trying my damnedest to accept these mounts as part of ESO "lore". As it is.... where did all these adventurers get their mounts? Where do they exist in the world aside from mounts? I want some justification from ESO, not some fan-fiction excuse that I have to make up myself.

The reason I don't have a problem with Guars or Senche-tigers is because I've seen these creatures in ESO. I know them in the context of ESO. I do not know any of the fantasy mounts in the context of ESO, because they have none.

Acrolas · September 2015

log234 wrote: »

However, for me the Elder Scrolls game series has always been about being immersed in a deep universe and story, but these new cosmetics are going to prevent that.

Strange.

For me, TES is a pretty good study in ethnocentrism and culturalism. Each game is more about the practices and customs of particular people, as opposed to an all-encompassing description of Tamriel and its history.

Every book in every game has a cultural or racial spin on it. And the big focus of this era is the war, not what Dress-To-Impress wore this year to the Argonian Music Awards. The small details - costumes, magical mounts, pets - are not going to be part of a larger recorded history. Which gives ZOS room to play with them.

Gidorick · September 2015

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Profit matters customers dont

This is why I want ZOS to include option for those of us who don't want to see these mounts to PAY so we see these mounts as regular mounts.

Teiji · September 2015

Yes so lorebreaking! They'd rather give us these before the Oblivion Unicorn!

The Unicorn is a type of mount that can be found at Harcane Grove, where it is guarded by three Minotaurs of the Grove.

Muh immerzshuns! Hircine is canon so Unicorn must be allowed in-game! There is no necromancer class so how can skeltal mount even be real?

One updoot and good calcium be you.
Two updoot and skeltal mount be good bones.

SeptimusDova · September 2015

@gidorick it cannot be a one off payment . That will not bring enough money. It must be a lore sub 17 euro a month and it will allow only lore pure sights images and dialog.

miked83b14_ESO · September 2015

ZOS has reskinned the same 3 mounts they have to death lol!

Tannakaobi · September 2015

jeremiah911 wrote: »

I want them and I like them. I wish people would stop using lore like its a holy grail or something as an excuse not to have neat things. It's a game and supposed to be fun. These items are just that. Lighten up people.

Totally! So my new mount idea:

and make sure it's to scale... I'll be expecting it in my mail within the month.

MaxwellC · September 2015

Well since they're going in this direction might as well bring dragon pets/mounts.

eNumbra · September 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

If these kinds of mounts were commonplace they would have been seen in the single player games. Sure there are special cases like Shadowmere... who really just had red eyes, not so special. These two mounts are very specific mounts, not a kind of mount "race'.

The reason I don't have a problem with Guars or Senche-tigers is because I've seen these creatures in ESO. I know them in the context of ESO. I do not know any of the fantasy mounts in the context of ESO, because they have none.

Shadowmere respawns in the black pool outside the sanctuary in Skyrim if it dies. "Just has red eyes"
Remember, its the adventurers running around with these mounts, not commoners. They aren't as common as you're making them out to be and they wouldn't have been common had they appeared in older games. But lets extrapolate based on what we know from older games.

There is no context for Calcinium, Galetite, Voidstone and all the other high level crafing materials; Ebony is the strongest material known to Tamriel
Enchanting has never required runes, just knowledge and Soul gems.
Dwemer metal has never grown in Veins, its an alloy that is only obtainable through smelting Dwemer artifacts already made from the metal.
Crafting styles and motifs have never existed before ESO and there were certainly never wedding dresses and suits resembling the ones in the store.

All of these things were changed for ESO.

Elsonso · September 2015

corrosivechains wrote: »

Are they kitschy? Yes. But really, if you're going to say they're lore-breaking, explain exactly how they are so. Just saying "they're lorebreaking! rawrawrawr!" no more makes them so than someone countering with "Nuh uh!" negates the claim.

Keep in mind that this is a series with talking dogs, werepigs, giant robots, 4-armed undead, a race of cats that range from housecats to anthropomorphic to the size of elephants, a mad-god obsessed with cheese and cabbage, and another daedra/god who was literally crapped out by another daedra/god.

Jack o' lanterns. No where, ever, am I able to find the idea of a face carved into a lighted pumpkin appearing in TES lore, whether it is sitting on a spriggan or not. The closest that we come is that fact that jack o' lanterns are believed to represent Will o' the Wisp lights in swamps and ESO has wisps that are seen in some coastal and swampy areas. They are not spriggans. Wispmothers are not spriggans, either, and have reasonably familiar heads. Even the spriggans in Coldharbour look like normal spriggans.

Certainly, ZOS can add that to the lore, but why do they need to? There are plenty of scary things in the game lore already without needing to add to the lore to justify jack o' lanterns so that they can sell Halloween stuff. That is the one and only reason that they are even considering this stuff, by the way... so they can sell Halloween stuff. If they are just going to add stuff to the lore via whatever justification is necessary, or just skip the lore justification and admit they just want to sell Halloween stuff, why even bother with the Elder Scrolls at all?

Mojmir · September 2015

I want to mantikora mount,and can I use daedric artifacts like in previous games? Thanks

nothing2591 · September 2015

I Need these polymorphs, please zos add them already i got my wallet ready gonna grind the sewers dressed as a scarecrow fkn awesome !! , how is this lorebreaking ? u think tamriel is some place you accually live in or something ? haha

SeptimusDova · September 2015

its not about lore its about appealing to customers to get them to drop cash in the crown store.Impulse buying and consumerism . Have to appeal to those who are still buying for looks and not lore. Those who see and want and spend without regard. Much like a street-side pharmacologist. Gotta get them hooked on the newest and keep them there until the revenue stream dries up. then switch to a different product.

rfennell_ESO · September 2015

I'll definitely buy the specter costume and likely a skeletal mount.

I don't see it being a lore breaking faux pas.

newtinmpls · September 2015

Esbia wrote: »

Has ZOS actually ever listened to community feedback on anything? Like ever? I really wanna know.

They didn't use "tacos" as a term in recipies.

tordr86b16_ESO · September 2015

what's next? a Christmas sled with raindeers going ching ding ching ding?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERY-o6QFOnI

Gidorick · September 2015

SeptimusDova wrote: »

@gidorick it cannot be a one off payment . That will not bring enough money. It must be a lore sub 17 euro a month and it will allow only lore pure sights images and dialog.

@SeptimusDova, I would buy every single special mount if it included the option to see everyone else with them riding common horses. Every. Single. One.

eNumbra wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

If these kinds of mounts were commonplace they would have been seen in the single player games. Sure there are special cases like Shadowmere... who really just had red eyes, not so special. These two mounts are very specific mounts, not a kind of mount "race'.

The reason I don't have a problem with Guars or Senche-tigers is because I've seen these creatures in ESO. I know them in the context of ESO. I do not know any of the fantasy mounts in the context of ESO, because they have none.

Shadowmere respawns in the black pool outside the sanctuary in Skyrim if it dies. "Just has red eyes"
Remember, its the adventurers running around with these mounts, not commoners. They aren't as common as you're making them out to be and they wouldn't have been common had they appeared in older games. But lets extrapolate based on what we know from older games.

There is no context for Calcinium, Galetite, Voidstone and all the other high level crafing materials; Ebony is the strongest material known to Tamriel
Enchanting has never required runes, just knowledge and Soul gems.
Dwemer metal has never grown in Veins, its an alloy that is only obtainable through smelting Dwemer artifacts already made from the metal.
Crafting styles and motifs have never existed before ESO and there were certainly never wedding dresses and suits resembling the ones in the store.

All of these things were changed for ESO.

In ESO when you see me running about, I am not the vestige to you, you are. And to me, I am the vestige and you are just another adventurer. You are not "special" you are just another citizen of There is no reason you should be on those mounts.

And crafting mats and runes are actually IN the game. I can see them there, they exist within the context of this Tamriel. Fire, ice, and lighting horses do not exist in the context of this Tamriel. They exist in the context of the Crown Store. That's it. I actually don't have as hard a time accepting the skeletal mounts because I've seen skeleton men/mer running about (when are you going to add the Argonian and Khajiit skeletons ZOS?!?!?!!) so reanimated skeletons of living creatures make sense contextually... but I'll admit I'm stretching a bit on that just to accept these mounts.

These fantasy horses are not in the game world. That's my issue. They're not in the game world. Put them in the game world and I'll be fine with them. Hell... I'll probably even buy a couple. But as of now, I consider them to be lore breaking because they are not in any ESO game I've played or lore I've read. They are simply Cash Shop vanity trinkets.

Minnesinger · September 2015

What exactly is the problem? Less RP? There is no chance they made this game for hardcore TES fans who know every bit of lore. I was slightly disappointed when I realized this but I am used to it now. This game is for everyone whether they know the previous games or lore doesn´t mean much.

eNumbra · September 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

In ESO when you see me running about, I am not the vestige to you, you are. And to me, I am the vestige and you are just another adventurer. You are not "special" you are just another citizen of There is no reason you should be on those mounts.

And crafting mats and runes are actually IN the game. I can see them there, they exist within the context of this Tamriel. Fire, ice, and lighting horses do not exist in the context of this Tamriel. They exist in the context of the Crown Store. That's it. I actually don't have as hard a time accepting the skeletal mounts because I've seen skeleton men/mer running about (when are you going to add the Argonian and Khajiit skeletons ZOS?!?!?!!) so reanimated skeletons of living creatures make sense contextually... but I'll admit I'm stretching a bit on that just to accept these mounts.

These fantasy horses are not in the game world. That's my issue. They're not in the game world. Put them in the game world and I'll be fine with them. Hell... I'll probably even buy a couple. But as of now, I consider them to be lore breaking because they are not in any ESO game I've played or lore I've read. They are simply Cash Shop vanity trinkets.

The cognitive dissonance is strong.

Elsonso · September 2015

SeptimusDova wrote: »

Much like a street-side pharmacologist. Gotta get them hooked on the newest and keep them there until the revenue stream dries up. then switch to a different product.

So, compared ZOS to drug dealers, huh?

nothing2591 wrote: »

I Need these polymorphs, please zos add them already i got my wallet ready gonna grind the sewers dressed as a scarecrow fkn awesome !! , how is this lorebreaking ? u think tamriel is some place you accually live in or something ? haha

The sad thing is that if they had come out with a lore appropriate costume in line with material already in the game, and just happened to drop this in the store in October, you would still be clamoring for it and most of the lore people would be off complaining about other things.

You would have been none the wiser, you would have gotten what you wanted (Halloween), the lore people would have gotten what they wanted (TES), and ZOS would have gotten what they wanted ($$$). All of this without the drama that we have today.

Gidorick · September 2015

eNumbra wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

In ESO when you see me running about, I am not the vestige to you, you are. And to me, I am the vestige and you are just another adventurer. You are not "special" you are just another citizen of There is no reason you should be on those mounts.

And crafting mats and runes are actually IN the game. I can see them there, they exist within the context of this Tamriel. Fire, ice, and lighting horses do not exist in the context of this Tamriel. They exist in the context of the Crown Store. That's it. I actually don't have as hard a time accepting the skeletal mounts because I've seen skeleton men/mer running about (when are you going to add the Argonian and Khajiit skeletons ZOS?!?!?!!) so reanimated skeletons of living creatures make sense contextually... but I'll admit I'm stretching a bit on that just to accept these mounts.

These fantasy horses are not in the game world. That's my issue. They're not in the game world. Put them in the game world and I'll be fine with them. Hell... I'll probably even buy a couple. But as of now, I consider them to be lore breaking because they are not in any ESO game I've played or lore I've read. They are simply Cash Shop vanity trinkets.

The cognitive dissonance is strong.

How is what I've said contradictory? I'm more comfortable if an item can be found around Tamriel than if it can ONLY be found in the crown store. Everything I've said falls in line with that.

Rune_Relic · September 2015

Thymos wrote: »

People sure put a lot of value into a "promise"

I'm sorry, but good intentions do not make the world go round.

Why don't we all just press the big red nuke button then ?

Gidorick · September 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

I'll definitely buy the specter costume and likely a skeletal mount.

I don't see it being a lore breaking faux pas.

will it make me look like a ghost, just as I am? If so... I'm totally getting that one too!

danno8 · September 2015

Who creates the lore? Only the single player games? Only some writers?

Is ESO allowed to create new lore? Are the single player games allowed to?

Also, ZoS does have a sort of dues ex machine in Sheogorath, allowing for anything weird or wacky to occur.

Anhedonie · September 2015

Mounts and pet are ok, but I agree about costumes - they suck pumpkinballs.