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Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?
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Glorious_One✭✭✭YesZOS_Racheal wrote: »Greetings everyone,
We have removed several comments from this thread for derailing, as well as inappropriate content. Thank you for your understanding, and please keep the Community Rules in mind when posting on the forums in order to prevent this thread from being locked.
Thank you for your prompt response to the trolling and derailing.2 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »ZOS_Racheal wrote: »Greetings everyone,
We have removed several comments from this thread for derailing, as well as inappropriate content. Thank you for your understanding, and please keep the Community Rules in mind when posting on the forums in order to prevent this thread from being locked.
Thank you for your prompt response to the trolling and derailing.
I agree. Let's all try to stay focused on the conversation and avoid any more of that unpleasantness.Edited by mrskinskull on September 7, 2015 3:20PM0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »ZOS_Racheal wrote: »Greetings everyone,
We have removed several comments from this thread for derailing, as well as inappropriate content. Thank you for your understanding, and please keep the Community Rules in mind when posting on the forums in order to prevent this thread from being locked.
Thank you for your prompt response to the trolling and derailing.
Yes I think the mods have a difficult job to do. I'm glad they're there.
Its funny that we can all agree on at least that, lol.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭No
Everyone else is having a blast....and yet here you are fanning the flames.mrskinskull wrote: »Omg. Just play the game like the rest of the world. Everyone else is having a blast with the console version.
And not just here....somebody raised a potentially valid and appropriate set of changes for voice in the "Ask ZOS" thread and you quickly jumped in and went on an anti pro-text chat rant.
I haven't bothered much with end game because my PvP group is too much fun.mrskinskull wrote: »...
Why does every review of this game, that I have read, mention no text chat a negative? Do you have an explanation for that?
Then have you actually played any end game content. Cause I looked up your trophies, and you haven't logged even finishing the main story or fighters and mages guild for that matter. So I'm curious how you would know if it's an issue trying to find players for end game or not. If your not actually there.
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Would taking castles and resources.with a tight little group of groups using group and guild chat to take an entire map red count as a "group activity"?
Lol.
Also consider most of the console guys haven't finished this stuff because the game hasn't been out for even a year.
Give it time.
PC transfers and harcores are really the only people at endgame.
So that's not really a fair assessment of the console community.
Most of the people I play with are pre vet but they are fun to play with and use their mic so when they rise to endgame, instead of grouping and doing group dungeons, we will do vet stuff and grouping in the guild would be no problem.
Text chat isn't needed, just a few buddies.
Best of luck.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoJackalWynter wrote: »Dear Mr Skinskull, do you play this game primarily on console?
If so then certainly your input and opinion here is definitely to be most widely regarded.
Thank you for your candor and then warm compliments.
I think the fact that an earlier poster from this forum was able to uh, uhm, research another complete stranger with a difference of opinion and discovered my console play history should at least confirm my bonafides.
Assuming the person playing on that account is the same person typing here.
With playstation , you can have multiple full accounts in the game.
I hope this was helpful.
I know that being unfamiliar with the consoles operating system is driving many of the complaints here.
Well that and a shyness or unwillingness to engage the community.
Just last night I walked the screaming baby mic guy through how to turn down the sensitivity on his mic.
He wasn't a jerk, he was a father just trying to get a few minutes of gaming in.
I took one minute of my time and helped soothe the area chat around. Davons watch blacksmith.
He was the one guy not selling, conducting business etc, after that, it was all good.
I don't understand why posters here can't take a bit of ownership of this community and help the newer people become better members.
It takes so little time and it often results in a new friend.
Cheers.Edited by mrskinskull on September 7, 2015 3:34PM0 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »
Everyone else is having a blast....and yet here you are fanning the flames.mrskinskull wrote: »Omg. Just play the game like the rest of the world. Everyone else is having a blast with the console version.
And not just here....somebody raised a potentially valid and appropriate set of changes for voice in the "Ask ZOS" thread and you quickly jumped in and went on an anti pro-text chat rant.
I haven't bothered much with end game because my PvP group is too much fun.mrskinskull wrote: »...
Why does every review of this game, that I have read, mention no text chat a negative? Do you have an explanation for that?
Then have you actually played any end game content. Cause I looked up your trophies, and you haven't logged even finishing the main story or fighters and mages guild for that matter. So I'm curious how you would know if it's an issue trying to find players for end game or not. If your not actually there.
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Would taking castles and resources.with a tight little group of groups using group and guild chat to take an entire map red count as a "group activity"?
Lol.
Also consider most of the console guys haven't finished this stuff because the game hasn't been out for even a year.
Give it time.
PC transfers and harcores are really the only people at endgame.
So that's not really a fair assessment of the console community.
Most of the people I play with are pre vet but they are fun to play with and use their mic so when they rise to endgame, instead of grouping and doing group dungeons, we will do vet stuff and grouping in the guild would be no problem.
Text chat isn't needed, just a few buddies.
Best of luck.
Well pvp, unlike pve is the side were text chat is not need as much. Would be handy to organize with other groups, but mostly it functions. You see players are typically en masse close enough for area chat so it's easy to find a group to run with. They are mostly on the same page, and the majority of them are there for the same thing you are.
However the point stands that you wouldn't know if it's difficult to find other players to run end game pve or not, seeing as how you are not there. Clearly you're still in non-vet pvp campaigns if you think there aren't many players at VR14. So you're going to keep on telling us that text is not needed, even though you're not running the activities that some of us are saying it's needed for. That's too funny.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoLet's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on September 7, 2015 3:47PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Glorious_One✭✭✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »
Everyone else is having a blast....and yet here you are fanning the flames.mrskinskull wrote: »Omg. Just play the game like the rest of the world. Everyone else is having a blast with the console version.
And not just here....somebody raised a potentially valid and appropriate set of changes for voice in the "Ask ZOS" thread and you quickly jumped in and went on an anti pro-text chat rant.
I haven't bothered much with end game because my PvP group is too much fun.mrskinskull wrote: »...
Why does every review of this game, that I have read, mention no text chat a negative? Do you have an explanation for that?
Then have you actually played any end game content. Cause I looked up your trophies, and you haven't logged even finishing the main story or fighters and mages guild for that matter. So I'm curious how you would know if it's an issue trying to find players for end game or not. If your not actually there.
[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]
Would taking castles and resources.with a tight little group of groups using group and guild chat to take an entire map red count as a "group activity"?
Lol.
Also consider most of the console guys haven't finished this stuff because the game hasn't been out for even a year.
Give it time.
PC transfers and harcores are really the only people at endgame.
So that's not really a fair assessment of the console community.
Most of the people I play with are pre vet but they are fun to play with and use their mic so when they rise to endgame, instead of grouping and doing group dungeons, we will do vet stuff and grouping in the guild would be no problem.
Text chat isn't needed, just a few buddies.
Best of luck.
See this post is much better. Its respectful and adds to the conversation. I respectfuly disagree with your last sentence but overall good post.
I believe that text chat is needed for several reasons but most importantly to open communication between zones.0 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭Nomrskinskull wrote: »
Everyone else is having a blast....and yet here you are fanning the flames.mrskinskull wrote: »Omg. Just play the game like the rest of the world. Everyone else is having a blast with the console version.
And not just here....somebody raised a potentially valid and appropriate set of changes for voice in the "Ask ZOS" thread and you quickly jumped in and went on an anti pro-text chat rant.
I haven't bothered much with end game because my PvP group is too much fun.mrskinskull wrote: »...
Why does every review of this game, that I have read, mention no text chat a negative? Do you have an explanation for that?
Then have you actually played any end game content. Cause I looked up your trophies, and you haven't logged even finishing the main story or fighters and mages guild for that matter. So I'm curious how you would know if it's an issue trying to find players for end game or not. If your not actually there.
[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]
Would taking castles and resources.with a tight little group of groups using group and guild chat to take an entire map red count as a "group activity"?
Lol.
Also consider most of the console guys haven't finished this stuff because the game hasn't been out for even a year.
Give it time.
PC transfers and harcores are really the only people at endgame.
So that's not really a fair assessment of the console community.
Most of the people I play with are pre vet but they are fun to play with and use their mic so when they rise to endgame, instead of grouping and doing group dungeons, we will do vet stuff and grouping in the guild would be no problem.
Text chat isn't needed, just a few buddies.
Best of luck.
Well pvp, unlike pve is the side were text chat is not need as much. Would be handy to organize with other groups, but mostly it functions. You see players are typically en masse close enough for area chat so it's easy to find a group to run with. They are mostly on the same page, and the majority of them are there for the same thing you are.
However the point stands that you wouldn't know if it's difficult to find other players to run end game pve or not, seeing as how you are not there. Clearly you're still in non-vet pvp campaigns if you think there aren't many players at VR14. So you're going to keep on telling us that text is not needed, even though you're not running the activities that some of us are saying it's needed for. That's too funny.
If you see a bunch of vet 14s why not say hi and start playing?
That's funny.
I make friends in the area I stand in because I'm actually kind of nice.
I also have three large guilds I PvP with that I could just ask.
PvP is more fun, IMO.
But trying PvP and making friends with higher level players would solve most of your grouping needs.
I know recently much of our guild is running craglorn, I am invited but my ballista 'Betty' needs my constant love and repair kit.
Cheers.
PS
Best of luck.0 -
EZgoin76✭✭✭✭YesMaking friends or helping people be a better part of the community doesn't change the fact voice chat lacks in so many other areas of the game. I'm not going to go through them all again.
People are going to be rude and disrespectful with VC or TC. Having both just gives everyone playing the game options to communicate.I want to change the world. I'm just to lazy to do it.4 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoMaking friends or helping people be a better part of the community doesn't change the fact voice chat lacks in so many other areas of the game. I'm not going to go through them all again.
People are going to be rude and disrespectful with VC or TC. Having both just gives everyone playing the game options to communicate.
People are going to be rude on text chat.
Avoiding problem people is no solution.
And text doesn't even allow you to avoid them.
It actually opens the door to a ton of new trolling possibilities.
OK.
Let me help paint a picture.
Moat PC players use text chat responsibly, correct?
Even the bad eggs are long typers, gold farmers and roleplay text blocks.
Not so bad.
The average age and maturity of PC users is adult level
The average age of console players is adult as well, but there are lots of inventive children as well.
They can troll in ways you have dreamed of.
Cheers.Edited by mrskinskull on September 7, 2015 7:01PM0 -
Benegon✭✭YesI don't mind listening and talking but its a pain trying to get a group or when you have another person in the room with you and you don't always want to be talking so it should be put in2 -
Glorious_One✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
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Glorious_One✭✭✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »Making friends or helping people be a better part of the community doesn't change the fact voice chat lacks in so many other areas of the game. I'm not going to go through them all again.
People are going to be rude and disrespectful with VC or TC. Having both just gives everyone playing the game options to communicate.
People are going to be rude on text chat.
Avoiding problem people is no solution.
And text doesn't even allow you to avoid them.
It actually opens the door to a ton of new trolling possibilities.
OK.
Let me help pant a picture.
Moat PC players use text chat responsibly, correct?
Even the bad eggs are long typers, gold farmers and roleplay text blocks.
Not so bad.
The average age and maturity of PC users is adult level
The average age of console players is adult as well, but there are lots of inventive children as well.
They can troll in ways you have dreamed of.
Cheers.
This thread isnt about trolling, we all know trolls are creative and will find ways to annoy people. So saying that it is no excuse to not add text chat because of potential trolls, they can be ignored easily on text, just like voice. So the whole trolling argument is irrelevant.
The discussion is adding text chat to open communication between players even more. Voice chat is awesome but it is limited. Text chat doesnt have the limitations voice chat has and is more effective when trying to reach multiple people very fast across several zones at once.2 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
You don't actually get to dictate how people express themselves. No sure why you think you can. Other than perhaps if players didn't say "need" ZOS might pay less attention.
ZOS has not presently responded. Let's be clear and honest about that. They have made statements in the past. However they have not commented in the present about it either way. Let's also remember that most of the developers who made those statements in the past no longer work for ZOS.
Continually telling console players to go play on PC is a recurring theme with you. You understand how possessive that comes off as? There's a narrative to your statements which leans toward ZOS currently intending for PC and console's gaming experience to be radically different. ZOS are adding updates to the UI to display more infomation in combat without the need for addons. Addons are exclusive to PC, and unasscessable on console players. So ZOS is proving an option which would make playing on console similar to playing on PC. How does that fit into your narrative?
Finally you said once in summary that you'd never seen a logical argument for text chat being need in game. That voice covered everything. I gave you one several pages back. A specific scenario that voice didn't function for, but text chat would have. Do you ever plan on responding to that, or are you going to ignore it like the other logical arguments?3 -
dday3six✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »mrskinskull wrote: »
Everyone else is having a blast....and yet here you are fanning the flames.mrskinskull wrote: »Omg. Just play the game like the rest of the world. Everyone else is having a blast with the console version.
And not just here....somebody raised a potentially valid and appropriate set of changes for voice in the "Ask ZOS" thread and you quickly jumped in and went on an anti pro-text chat rant.
I haven't bothered much with end game because my PvP group is too much fun.mrskinskull wrote: »...
Why does every review of this game, that I have read, mention no text chat a negative? Do you have an explanation for that?
Then have you actually played any end game content. Cause I looked up your trophies, and you haven't logged even finishing the main story or fighters and mages guild for that matter. So I'm curious how you would know if it's an issue trying to find players for end game or not. If your not actually there.
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Would taking castles and resources.with a tight little group of groups using group and guild chat to take an entire map red count as a "group activity"?
Lol.
Also consider most of the console guys haven't finished this stuff because the game hasn't been out for even a year.
Give it time.
PC transfers and harcores are really the only people at endgame.
So that's not really a fair assessment of the console community.
Most of the people I play with are pre vet but they are fun to play with and use their mic so when they rise to endgame, instead of grouping and doing group dungeons, we will do vet stuff and grouping in the guild would be no problem.
Text chat isn't needed, just a few buddies.
Best of luck.
Well pvp, unlike pve is the side were text chat is not need as much. Would be handy to organize with other groups, but mostly it functions. You see players are typically en masse close enough for area chat so it's easy to find a group to run with. They are mostly on the same page, and the majority of them are there for the same thing you are.
However the point stands that you wouldn't know if it's difficult to find other players to run end game pve or not, seeing as how you are not there. Clearly you're still in non-vet pvp campaigns if you think there aren't many players at VR14. So you're going to keep on telling us that text is not needed, even though you're not running the activities that some of us are saying it's needed for. That's too funny.
If you see a bunch of vet 14s why not say hi and start playing?
That's funny.
I make friends in the area I stand in because I'm actually kind of nice.
I also have three large guilds I PvP with that I could just ask.
PvP is more fun, IMO.
But trying PvP and making friends with higher level players would solve most of your grouping needs.
I know recently much of our guild is running craglorn, I am invited but my ballista 'Betty' needs my constant love and repair kit.
Cheers.
PS
Best of luck.
So asking people who only PVP all day again if they'd like to PVE after they have said "no" finds me a PVE group how exactly? You seem to be under the impress that I haven't asked. That's not the case. However most PVP players are dedicated to PVP only because they need to be to stay high on the leaderboards.
You don't want text chat in game, so it's easier to think that it's just something I'm doing wrong rather than that the provided tools don't accomplish the job.
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✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »
Everyone else is having a blast....and yet here you are fanning the flames.mrskinskull wrote: »Omg. Just play the game like the rest of the world. Everyone else is having a blast with the console version.
And not just here....somebody raised a potentially valid and appropriate set of changes for voice in the "Ask ZOS" thread and you quickly jumped in and went on an anti pro-text chat rant.
I haven't bothered much with end game because my PvP group is too much fun.mrskinskull wrote: »...
Why does every review of this game, that I have read, mention no text chat a negative? Do you have an explanation for that?
Then have you actually played any end game content. Cause I looked up your trophies, and you haven't logged even finishing the main story or fighters and mages guild for that matter. So I'm curious how you would know if it's an issue trying to find players for end game or not. If your not actually there.
[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]
Would taking castles and resources.with a tight little group of groups using group and guild chat to take an entire map red count as a "group activity"?
Lol.
Also consider most of the console guys haven't finished this stuff because the game hasn't been out for even a year.
Give it time.
PC transfers and harcores are really the only people at endgame.
So that's not really a fair assessment of the console community.
Most of the people I play with are pre vet but they are fun to play with and use their mic so when they rise to endgame, instead of grouping and doing group dungeons, we will do vet stuff and grouping in the guild would be no problem.
Text chat isn't needed, just a few buddies.
Best of luck.
Just because voice chat works for you and your buddies doesn't mean it works for everyone else. We all don't have the same play style4 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »mrskinskull wrote: »
Everyone else is having a blast....and yet here you are fanning the flames.mrskinskull wrote: »Omg. Just play the game like the rest of the world. Everyone else is having a blast with the console version.
And not just here....somebody raised a potentially valid and appropriate set of changes for voice in the "Ask ZOS" thread and you quickly jumped in and went on an anti pro-text chat rant.
I haven't bothered much with end game because my PvP group is too much fun.mrskinskull wrote: »...
Why does every review of this game, that I have read, mention no text chat a negative? Do you have an explanation for that?
Then have you actually played any end game content. Cause I looked up your trophies, and you haven't logged even finishing the main story or fighters and mages guild for that matter. So I'm curious how you would know if it's an issue trying to find players for end game or not. If your not actually there.
[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]
Would taking castles and resources.with a tight little group of groups using group and guild chat to take an entire map red count as a "group activity"?
Lol.
Also consider most of the console guys haven't finished this stuff because the game hasn't been out for even a year.
Give it time.
PC transfers and harcores are really the only people at endgame.
So that's not really a fair assessment of the console community.
Most of the people I play with are pre vet but they are fun to play with and use their mic so when they rise to endgame, instead of grouping and doing group dungeons, we will do vet stuff and grouping in the guild would be no problem.
Text chat isn't needed, just a few buddies.
Best of luck.
See this post is much better. Its respectful and adds to the conversation. I respectfuly disagree with your last sentence but overall good post.
I believe that text chat is needed for several reasons but most importantly to open communication between zones.
Who can disagree with, best of luck?
Text chat isn't needed its just your preference. Most people are plying the game fine without it.
I know I'm right, because there's really just a few actual console players commenting here. Compared to the whole console player body.
I earlier pointed out that this conversation has half the posts of the three word story. I may have stated it rudely, and I'm sorryabout that, but the numbers are clear.
I'm not saying its not extremely important to a few members of the player community on console , just that once you take away, my rapid responses, all of the PC players votes and comments, and many of the people brave enough to vote no in the face of potential stalking, harrasing, bullying and even personal physical threats, you are left with way fewer people asking for this feature than even this post implies.
Its OK to ask for features.
I would like to see a robust poison system, the option to hide staves and a hunger system.
Cheers.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on September 7, 2015 5:15PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Glorious_One✭✭✭Yesmrskinskull wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »mrskinskull wrote: »
Everyone else is having a blast....and yet here you are fanning the flames.mrskinskull wrote: »Omg. Just play the game like the rest of the world. Everyone else is having a blast with the console version.
And not just here....somebody raised a potentially valid and appropriate set of changes for voice in the "Ask ZOS" thread and you quickly jumped in and went on an anti pro-text chat rant.
I haven't bothered much with end game because my PvP group is too much fun.mrskinskull wrote: »...
Why does every review of this game, that I have read, mention no text chat a negative? Do you have an explanation for that?
Then have you actually played any end game content. Cause I looked up your trophies, and you haven't logged even finishing the main story or fighters and mages guild for that matter. So I'm curious how you would know if it's an issue trying to find players for end game or not. If your not actually there.
[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]
Would taking castles and resources.with a tight little group of groups using group and guild chat to take an entire map red count as a "group activity"?
Lol.
Also consider most of the console guys haven't finished this stuff because the game hasn't been out for even a year.
Give it time.
PC transfers and harcores are really the only people at endgame.
So that's not really a fair assessment of the console community.
Most of the people I play with are pre vet but they are fun to play with and use their mic so when they rise to endgame, instead of grouping and doing group dungeons, we will do vet stuff and grouping in the guild would be no problem.
Text chat isn't needed, just a few buddies.
Best of luck.
See this post is much better. Its respectful and adds to the conversation. I respectfuly disagree with your last sentence but overall good post.
I believe that text chat is needed for several reasons but most importantly to open communication between zones.
Who can disagree with, best of luck?
Text chat isn't needed its just your preference. Most people are plying the game fine without it.
I know I'm right, because there's really just a few actual console players commenting here. Compared to the whole console player body.
I earlier pointed out that this conversation has half the posts of the three word story. I may have stated it rudely, and I'm sorryabout that, but the numbers are clear.
I'm not saying its not extremely important to a few members of the player community on console , just that once you take away, my rapid responses, all of the PC players votes and comments, and many of the people brave enough to vote no in the face of potential stalking, harrasing, bullying and even personal physical threats, you are left with way fewer people asking for this feature than even this post implies.
Its OK to ask for features.
I would like to see a robust poison system, the option to hide staves and a hunger system.
Cheers.
Thats an awesome point you got there. But 83% representing the majority of the community says otherwise, but I guess you have to ignore all those people to keep your own argument going.
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YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.
Help those that want the feature? No one needs your help. Why do you feel the need to "help"? its not needed or asked for. You don't represent ZOS, consoles or anyone but yourself. I'm speaking for MYself here, but I don't need your help. Thanks.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoWellJustSayin wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.
Help those that want the feature? No one needs your help. Why do you feel the need to "help"? its not needed or asked for. You don't represent ZOS, consoles or anyone but yourself. I'm speaking for MYself here, but I don't need your help. Thanks.
Have it your way...the route the thread is taking which about 20+ have taken since March didn't accomplish getting feature but if you don't need my help maybe someone else does who realizes that they may benefit from it.
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Glorious_One✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.
Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.
Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.2 -
Marielle✭YesI dont see a problem with a text chat dont see why a few people are against it?
First thing to say, Is the chat box needed NO, Would the chat box beneficial and helpful to the players most likely YES. (Example such as a plastic box, dose the box need handles NO, would handles be more useful on a plastic box YES)
So cant we just have an option to have one in the settings? so you can toggle it on or off that should not be a problem so people who dont want a text chat have it toggled off and people who dose want one can toggle it on? this should also be put in the voice chat as there are a few time i just want to mute the area chat because someone is playing music out loud XD. So this (for me) i say the best thing to do.
Another thing i seen a few people who said no to voice chat are going with the argument that we are not the majority of the console players so the votes should have no big impact. I would say i disagree with this as from experience (from my dad who works in the council) when they revive a letter for an improvement etc they count it as 10 people because they understand that others may have the same problem etc but are too shy, lazy and other reasons to not put up the topic. So the people who are voting/commenting would technically count more than one persons vote.
Oh also to point out the bullying, harassment etc this is the reason we have a report system and also a chat box could block out specific bad words etc. Another thing about the age group would be its the user/persons own risk as it clearly shows on the front cover age group its for "Mature" players (also known as 16+ in other country?) and another reason why it asks for your age before entering the eso site.
One last thing i would like to add towards on getting a optional chat box would be towards people with disability's, such as people who stutter as an example or language accents or even a mute person, as sometimes its hard for them to get there message though to others and a chat box would be more ideal for them to use.
Thanks for reading, MarielleWe need a chat box for the consoles please zos please XD!4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.
Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.
Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.
Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.
Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Glorious_One✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.
Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.
Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.
Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.
Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.
Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.
Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.
Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.
Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.
Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.
Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.
Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.
Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.
This thread as a whole:
-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern
All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.
Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.
That's the help I can offer.
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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King Bozo✭✭✭YesNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.
Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.
Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.
Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.
Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.
Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.
Respectfully sir your comments are not representative on how this polls results work/convey thoughts for this feature nor are the percentages you're referring to accurate for what you're suggesting it conveys.
Your interpretation of partial forum participation and segmented results will lead to arguments and debates in this thread based on the logic and math you're using. That goes against discussing a feature to be added after the company has already decided against it and responded to earlier community feedback as no.
This thread as a whole:
-The poll is not a deciding factor at all as the feature was scrapped in early development by ZOS and is if no influence of the community nor do they plan to add it based on their comments on ESO live
-The poll isn't a discussion that ZOS is willing to consider a change based on what ZOS has told the community in the past and recent as of three weeks.
-The poll results are only that of a segment of active forum users.
-The poll lacks participation from most console active players
-The entire forum population who sees the thread is less than most active players regardless of platform
-The results are skewed in regards to console as PC and console have voted where some are inactive or not on the platforms of discussion.
-The poll conveys a tone from a user who has not and does not participate in the forums who hoped to ask ZOS for a feature prior to understanding why it's not on console.
-The poll is a collection of ideas from many other closed threads where the feature is the only relatable topic but implementation and functionality are lost in other threads
-The poll carries some past aggression from closed threads where a user may vote in opposition to an emotion between one user and another but where the topic is of no concern
All of this to my suggestion....let's all work together on any side pro/for or indifferent to the feature in order to think-tank towards something that fits what ZOS intends as well as offering some convenience and options for all.
Maybe even start with strategic questions to ZOS on ask us anything in order to pave a path to lay ideas and strategy in hopes to move past random comments of why/why not any person may desire or want this feature.
That's the help I can offer.
So you work for ZOS?1 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
He's just pointing out that the only people who stop to comment in a poll with text chat in the name are mostly people who feel in their opinion they would like the feature.
The vast majority of players never bother with the poll.
I'm sorry to point this out to you but all this poll demonstrates is that people in forums will vote on anything, even if , in cases such as all the PC players voting, it has nothing to do with them.
This poll is not accurate and every time you bring up the 'overwhelming number of votes' it just creates an opportunity to point out that you've maybe got twenty actual votes from console players out of the full number of console versions sold.
Even the full number of console versions sold would not be an indicator of the full and actual player base because on console many wives and husbands, brothers and sisters etc share on account, so until we get a poll on the console front page, relying on the votes here hurts your cause.
Who knows, maybe if the community of actual players was allowed to vote maybe they would actually landslide in favor of text but I kinda doubt it.
This poll is so convoluted, its asking for text chat by imperial city, and even the hardcore ra ra ra text guys have admitted the votes are misleading.
Can we at least get a fresh poll, with verified console gamertags only voting . You'd probably still have a majority because happy players don't visit the forums usually, but it would get us closer to the actually, number interested.
And PC people could comment but we would ask them not to screw up the count.
I noticed ace tried to start a fresh poll and it was tanked.
Until that at the very least happens bringing up the 'votes' here is a non point.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭NoGlorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Glorious_One wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Let's be clear and honest.
It's not needed but it's a preference for some on console who are more comfortable with playing an MMO on console like it's played on PC.
That's really what this is all about...so considering ZOS' decisions and responses to the topic let's stop using "needed" and move to what "you specifically want or desire for you liking".
Edit: Pay close attn to PC changes tho...targeting was just changed to be more like console and controller support is almost done for PC with more options for PC players.
I respectfuly disagree, over 83% say its needed. And listed many reasons as too why. So out of these battles of opinions the pro text crowd is winning in a landslide not just with support but also with sound supportive arguments.
So trying to hush someone using the term "needed" just seems like a desperate attempt to smear someones statement without actually addressing his statement or this issue at hand. It has been discussed thoroughly why people feel the need of text chat and while I looked threw this thread to familiarize myself with the flow of the discussion, the only rebuttal I have seen from you is "zos said no, so its no", despite the fact that zos has changed their mind on issues they have said "no" to before. So I ask you this.... why do you continue to come with that argument when it really holds no weight?
Please understand that poll only represents forum participants where all three combined platforms (is less than 1%) as all the votes are combined and not representative of just the console community.
Also this isn't any attempt to hush anyone but hopefully to help those who want the feature to better understand, formulate and articulate the feature request accurately. The feature isn't needed as there is nothing that cannot be done without and people are doing everything and more without. It is a desired feature tho for some.
The last 30+ pages where I'm commenting is to help those who want the feature
If you still feel it's those for the feature against me than you're actually working against the thread.
Hmm interesting, I can see where you got that conclusion. However it is evident you do not have a good understanding about how polls work. Polls are only effective when there is a diverse group that is related to the subject. Hence the subject is adding text chat to eso, and the group being asked is the right demographic (a mixture of xbox,ps, and pc players) and there is a healthy amount of people who have voted already. And to top it off the poll is still active and open leaving it for people to join in as they wish and thus increaseing votes. And to even add to its credibility even further, you have to purchase the game and get the invitation code to join the forums, so not just anyone could join in. We have the people who will be directly affected by it voting and also a group that already has the feature and testifies to its usefulness.
Polls arent meant for every single person to vote on it, it is to get a people who represent the groups being affected to vote and results represent the majority and their wants. That is how every poll works. And this poll is better than most because it stays open and only people who have the game can participate in it. So in short this poll is very acurate and continuely shows the want and need for text chat. There is no way around it.
Good sir.
This poll isn't a deciding factor of if a feature is to bed added. That's where you and others need help.
This poll is a forum poll for others to gauge a discussion.
Let someone help you or this will follow the other threads since March.
Never said this poll is the only deciding factor in getting a feature added. I simply educated you about how polls work. Specifically this one. It accurately represents the whole eso community across all platforms as I explained to you in my previous post. And 83% of the community wants it. So now it is up to zos to ignore what the majority is asking for, or hear their community and add it. Thats how mmos work.
No it isn't accurate.
How in the world could you think that a poll drawn from a tiny niche subset of an entire player base would be indicative of anything?
Honestly do you understand polling at all?
This survey might actually be having the opposite effect.
Zos can easily look at the small numbers here in this thread and gauge that when compared to the actual player base on consoles there isn't enough interest.
They might have just went ahead and added it as an artistic move, but this poll is demonstrating for free that the actual interest just isn't there.
I mean in the context of disgruntled forum posters, this issue is a landslide. Hands down.
In the larger more meaningful context of people who bought the game , and felt the need to post in the forums about it, its a drop in the bucket and likely not worth devoting heaps of development revenue to.
I hope this helps you to understand how polls actually work and maybe give you some context outside of your own particular wants for the game.
I want poison alchemy, but that's just a want. I have to be realistic about my personal niche wants and what the actual player base wants.
We all do.
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