Why is the PVP Community Intentionally Ruining Itself?

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Why is this? I've read over, and replied to numerous threads that were about PVE'ers and PVP'ers mingling and mixing, and from the looks of it... It's as though the PVP community wants their community to become similar to the communities found at: Call of Duty, Destiny, 4chan, etc. Then they sit there and ask why it is that PVE'ers complain, or why it is that PVE'ers want nothing to do with them. Granted I PVP from time to time, although I primarily stay in the PVE area(s) of the game. I mean, I know that people migrate from game to game. And yes, it is fun to people to finally put your skills to the test against another live person. But it's like... Die-hard PVP'ers are intentionally trying to turn the PVP aspect of ESO into some "tryhard" concoction of aggression and toxic behavior. So please, if you're 1 of those die-hard PVP'ers who've been doing this? Can you shed some light on this for me? Thanks.

Malnutrition · September 2015

If you'd be more specific in what it is exactly some PvP'ers are doing that is rubbing you the wrong way it would help others to understand where you're coming from. That being said, I have a feeling a lot of griefer and carebear finger-pointing is about to ensue if this thread takes off.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Malnutrition wrote: »

If you'd be more specific in what it is exactly some PvP'ers are doing that is rubbing you the wrong way it would help others to understand where you're coming from. That being said, I have a feeling a lot of griefer and carebear finger-pointing is about to ensue if this thread takes off.

See, it's not exactly rubbing me the wrong way. As nothing from a die-hard PVP'er has been said to me in a negative way. At least not from what I've read, or been told. It's just from what I'm noticing in these forums. It's like some of the PVP fanatics are truly trying to turn PVP into some super aggressive platform. When in fact, it's supposed to be competitive -- yet not exactly to the extremes some people are making it. It's literally like you said. The briefing and carebear name-calling, and so on. Why? What is the point of it? If you want to PVE, that's fine. If you want to PVP, that's fine too. But there's no need to actually force a divide between the 2. There's no need to generate a tension, because PVE is a mandatory aspect of the game. Regardless of how badly the PVP-extremists hate to admit it. So it's like, why even intentionally turn your community into a cesspool of toxic behavior? Makes no sense to mention. At the end of the day, we're all playing Elder Scrolls Online. Lol.

Malnutrition · September 2015

Sadly it has been that way since I've been playing MMO games. Dark Age of Camelot > Mordred (the PvP specific server) IGN Vault forums were full of vitriol. It was still my favorite—and eventually only—server to play on, but other than a "good fight!" comment I rarely responded to tells from other gamers while PvPing, win or lose. I was there to play not bicker, and it seemed most were not of the same mindset.

I think it simply comes down to the fact that a lot of people are fairly rotten individuals, and it really shows through in a competitive setting and especially one where you're not face-to-face.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Malnutrition wrote: »

Sadly it has been that way since I've been playing MMO games. Dark Age of Camelot > Mordred (the PvP specific server) IGN Vault forums were full of vitriol. It was still my favorite—and eventually only—server to play on, but other than a "good fight!" comment I rarely responded to tells from other gamers while PvPing, win or lose. I was there to play not bicker, and it seemed most were not of the same mindset.

I think it simply comes down to the fact that a lot of people are fairly rotten individuals, and it really shows through in a competitive setting and especially one where you're not face-to-face.

Very true words in your post, sir. But damn, people gotta learn to take it easy and remember at the end of the day? It is a game. ESO was created by developers for entertainment reasons. And people make things far much worse than it was intended to be, or supposed to be for that matter.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · September 2015

This is roughly the 11,000th post on this subject. All you're doing, like it or not, is baiting people into calling you names. Then you'll be able to say you were right because your passive aggressive opening post provides just enough plausible deniability for you to claim that you were right. It's a never ending cycle and I, for one, am more tired of posts like these than anything.

Here's the reality of the situation. You're playing a game where your character basically commits genocide across an entire continent regardless of if you're a PVEer or a PVPer, or (like a vast majority of players) someone who does both. Also some people are jerks and some people have easily hurt feelings. Learn to deal with it.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

This is roughly the 11,000th post on this subject. All you're doing, like it or not, is baiting people into calling you names. Then you'll be able to say you were right because your passive aggressive opening post provides just enough plausible deniability for you to claim that you were right. It's a never ending cycle and I, for one, am more tired of posts like these than anything.

Here's the reality of the situation. You're playing a game where your character basically commits genocide across an entire continent regardless of if you're a PVEer or a PVPer, or (like a vast majority of players) someone who does both. Also some people are jerks and some people have easily hurt feelings. Learn to deal with it.

Erm.. I wasn't tryin to bait anyone into anything. Also I wasn't even a bit passive aggressive when I posted my opening post (IMO). If anything, I was/am half-asleep. >_> But, I digress. My question is why? Why just "deal with it"? And I'm fully aware the situation, and its reality in regards to the PVE and PVP aspects of this game. I'm just curious behind the point in intentionally filling a community with negativity and toxic behavior. That's all.

andreasv · September 2015

The group of players you mentioned have a different connection to the game than you do. In fact, I think it's not just a game to them, but their in-game character is a representation of themselves. After all you invest a considerable time in making a few pixels competitive. And combine this with skills (the individual player's skills) involved and a well thought out set up for skills in-game you will end up with people who seemingly overreact (especially on forums).

In the end players have different reasons for playing a game (interesting article from Stanford University http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/cpb.2006.9.772) and also different reaction to criticism or challenges in the game.

Anyway: GET RID OF THE QUEUE FOR IC! I want to play and finally kill a few players there!

MakeUcrazY · September 2015

I'm not sure if you're talking about the PvP attitude or the "trash talk". This all comes with the PVP territory.

My son started playing me 1v1 matches in CoD at about 8 (and no, i dont see a problem with that). I would crush him, and rub his face in it...the trash talk ensued. Later we would be on different teams in bigger matches with others and I would still destroy him and his team. Eventually, unfortunately, his k/d ratio started flipping and I was often on the receiving end of the PVP attitude. He is now 11 and a PVP ninja. i usually make excuses why i cant join a match with him, (got dinner to prepare, cant play now) just to save myself some embarrassment.

Well the point of the story is, PVP is competitive and trash talk comes with it (ie carebear, etc..). At the base of all that is just good fun. And the more you PVP the more you learn and improve until you are no longer the "carebear" and are the new trash-talker.

My extreme PVP days are over, my blood pressure cant take it, but i have been in Cyro many times and still enjoy it. Win some, lose some. Guys doing push ups over my corpse or tea-bagging me after I've been decimated....yeah I get it....I've been there.

Now there is the PVP poison. These are the ones who are complete <insert colorful metaphor here> and are so lost in the game that everyone who beats them is cheating, anyone they beat is a ***** or a *****, and they throw out all kinds of RL threats. These ones are rare but can still make the game less enjoyable for PVE and PVP alike and are usually put on everyone's ignore list.

Please don't let the PVP Poison change your attitude toward the rest of us.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

@andreasv @MakeUcrazY I think you 2 both hit the nail on the head with your posts, and understood my question the most. And for your answers/replies, I thank you. I knew someone would eventually come along and get the point of my question, but I was lucky enough for 2 people to get it. Thank you to you both, and also thank you for everyone else who contributed. ^_^

THEDKEXPERIENCE · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

This is roughly the 11,000th post on this subject. All you're doing, like it or not, is baiting people into calling you names. Then you'll be able to say you were right because your passive aggressive opening post provides just enough plausible deniability for you to claim that you were right. It's a never ending cycle and I, for one, am more tired of posts like these than anything.

Here's the reality of the situation. You're playing a game where your character basically commits genocide across an entire continent regardless of if you're a PVEer or a PVPer, or (like a vast majority of players) someone who does both. Also some people are jerks and some people have easily hurt feelings. Learn to deal with it.

Erm.. I wasn't tryin to bait anyone into anything. Also I wasn't even a bit passive aggressive when I posted my opening post (IMO). If anything, I was/am half-asleep. >_> But, I digress. My question is why? Why just "deal with it"? And I'm fully aware the situation, and its reality in regards to the PVE and PVP aspects of this game. I'm just curious behind the point in intentionally filling a community with negativity and toxic behavior. That's all.

Actually, please allow me to apologize. I too suffered from lack of coffee. After re-reading your post I took it the wrong way. I'm honestly sorry.

Coffee = Reading comprehension.

AhPook_Is_Here · September 2015

People like drama. I like drama too, reading it here is fun while I wait for Power Play allocations in Elite: Dangerous. Takes a while to fill up that Python!

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

This is roughly the 11,000th post on this subject. All you're doing, like it or not, is baiting people into calling you names. Then you'll be able to say you were right because your passive aggressive opening post provides just enough plausible deniability for you to claim that you were right. It's a never ending cycle and I, for one, am more tired of posts like these than anything.

Here's the reality of the situation. You're playing a game where your character basically commits genocide across an entire continent regardless of if you're a PVEer or a PVPer, or (like a vast majority of players) someone who does both. Also some people are jerks and some people have easily hurt feelings. Learn to deal with it.

Erm.. I wasn't tryin to bait anyone into anything. Also I wasn't even a bit passive aggressive when I posted my opening post (IMO). If anything, I was/am half-asleep. >_> But, I digress. My question is why? Why just "deal with it"? And I'm fully aware the situation, and its reality in regards to the PVE and PVP aspects of this game. I'm just curious behind the point in intentionally filling a community with negativity and toxic behavior. That's all.

Actually, please allow me to apologize. I too suffered from lack of coffee. After re-reading your post I took it the wrong way. I'm honestly sorry.

Coffee = Reading comprehension.

Haha, it's chill man. Apology accepted. And yeah, coffee is the solution to many problems. The world should all have a big cup of coffee, and just breathe.

robkrush · September 2015

No one is "intentionally" ruining the community. Those responsible are blissfully unaware how they aggressively attack anyone with a thought dissimilar to their own.

At least ZOS has worked very hard with their moderation. Props to ZOS for that. It doesn't fix the problem but it keeps it from degenerating into mindless name calling.

Pangnirtung · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

The briefing and carebear name-calling, and so on. Why? What is the point of it? If you want to PVE, that's fine. If you want to PVP, that's fine too. But there's no need to actually force a divide between the 2. There's no need to generate a tension, because PVE is a mandatory aspect of the game. Regardless of how badly the PVP-extremists hate to admit it. So it's like, why even intentionally turn your community into a cesspool of toxic behavior? Makes no sense to mention. At the end of the day, we're all playing Elder Scrolls Online. Lol.

Well said. There is a part of the PVP community that is downright aggressive and resentful of PVEers as if their style of game play is inferior or less than.

There does seem to be a rift growing between the two groups of players and it is unfortunate because ESO has great potential that is sadly being torn apart because of a very vocal group who want it all their way.

robkrush · September 2015

Pangnirtung wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

The briefing and carebear name-calling, and so on. Why? What is the point of it? If you want to PVE, that's fine. If you want to PVP, that's fine too. But there's no need to actually force a divide between the 2. There's no need to generate a tension, because PVE is a mandatory aspect of the game. Regardless of how badly the PVP-extremists hate to admit it. So it's like, why even intentionally turn your community into a cesspool of toxic behavior? Makes no sense to mention. At the end of the day, we're all playing Elder Scrolls Online. Lol.

Well said. There is a part of the PVP community that is downright aggressive and resentful of PVEers as if their style of game play is inferior or less than.

There does seem to be a rift growing between the two groups of players and it is unfortunate because ESO has great potential that is sadly being torn apart because of a very vocal group who want it all their way.

This same thing can be said for PC and console too. Just yesterday in a thread about console text chat it degenerated to "PC Masterrace" calling us "Console Peasants". I don't personally see my PS4 as inferior, or superior, to a PC; just different. So I'm not so much offended as I am highly annoyed that someone could be so ignorant and that the community allows platform-rasism.

NeillMcAttack · September 2015

I just don't see it. Having spent lots of time in Cyrodiil and most players a quite courteos and easy to get along with. I have literally only ever heard one guy griefing. Whereas I have passed many childish morons throughout Tamriel, from guys blasting tunes through their headset and telling me to f**k off if I ask him to mute his mic, to the guy hanging around davons watch asking girls to send him pictures..

The only toxicity with regards "PvPers" as you call them, seems to come from threads like this. Where is all this name calling from these players, seriously?

mrskinskull · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

This is roughly the 11,000th post on this subject. All you're doing, like it or not, is baiting people into calling you names. Then you'll be able to say you were right because your passive aggressive opening post provides just enough plausible deniability for you to claim that you were right. It's a never ending cycle and I, for one, am more tired of posts like these than anything.

Here's the reality of the situation. You're playing a game where your character basically commits genocide across an entire continent regardless of if you're a PVEer or a PVPer, or (like a vast majority of players) someone who does both. Also some people are jerks and some people have easily hurt feelings. Learn to deal with it.

Erm.. I wasn't tryin to bait anyone into anything. Also I wasn't even a bit passive aggressive when I posted my opening post (IMO). If anything, I was/am half-asleep. >_> But, I digress. My question is why? Why just "deal with it"? And I'm fully aware the situation, and its reality in regards to the PVE and PVP aspects of this game. I'm just curious behind the point in intentionally filling a community with negativity and toxic behavior. That's all.

Actually, please allow me to apologize. I too suffered from lack of coffee. After re-reading your post I took it the wrong way. I'm honestly sorry.

Coffee = Reading comprehension.

Haha, it's chill man. Apology accepted. And yeah, coffee is the solution to many problems. The world should all have a big cup of coffee, and just breathe.

Its OK for stamina regen as well.

Austacker · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

So please, if you're 1 of those die-hard PVP'ers who've been doing this? Can you shed some light on this for me? Thanks.

For the same reason they're starting to grow 'hair down there'

Hormones.

Dahkoht · September 2015

Because PVE only players have posted at least 1000 or so whining , bitching , posts about an actual PVP content loaded expansion/patch being released.

Then many throw in sociopath , bully , all PVP'rs are angry teens and so on. There's EQUALLY as much rudeness coming from the PVE side. It's just that whichever side you fall on is the side you glance over when they are being a jackass.

For me personally ? From UO and EQ zek days , DAOC , Lineage 2 and so on , PVP mixed with PVE makes the PVE x1000 better. I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to PVP though at all.

But , and here's the big thing , if you choose to set foot on a PVP server in an mmorpg , if you choose to set foot in a PVP zone , if you choose to set foot in Cyr , or IC here , you've got ZERO room to whine about being "unfairly ganked".

Zero.

PVP is killing the enemy before they kill you.

I liken it to this. I played HS football , wasn't big but was tough and fast. I got rolled at times by 300 lb monsters destined to play 1st string Defensive line on a major college football team as freshman 6 months from when they were playing against the rest of us who were normal sized.

None of us bitched about it being unfair , if we had of our own coaches would have offered us tissues and told us to go take our panties somewhere else. Rightfully so.

So when I see someone coming here whining about being killed in a PVP enabled area , it's blood in the water , I admit I enjoy it. Fully ,

It's also why me and my kids giggle when we 3 way snipe someone

My wife isn't thrilled my 4 year old daughter and 6 year old son already know how to yell out , BOOM HEADSHOT , but at the same time chuckles and realizes it's family bonding time.

(on a side note mentioning sports I yanked my son off a baseball team that decided not to keeps score , because real life has winners and losers , thankfully that league went under in one season as not enough parents around here wanted their kids coddled. Football league thankfully lets the 6 year olds realize winning and losing is a thing )

J2JMC · September 2015

I would like these forums to go a week without mentioning call of duty. It amazes me how a game that is a complete 180 to ESO somehow gets mentioned so often. Come up for air sometimes and stop being so salty that Activision developed a formula which has made it more profitable than your favorite games. While we're at it stop mentioning WoW as well.

To actually address the OP's statements, it's not just the "I only pvp" players who are a problem. The "I only pve" players start arguments and then try to play the victim card. It seems the problem is people in general who refuse to accept that eso has an equally fun pve and pvp experience(with admittedly a few major hiccups on both sides).

likelolwhat · September 2015

Dahkoht wrote: »

Because PVE only players have posted at least 1000 or so whining , bitching , posts about an actual PVP content loaded expansion/patch being released.

Then many throw in sociopath , bully , all PVP'rs are angry teens and so on. There's EQUALLY as much rudeness coming from the PVE side. It's just that whichever side you fall on is the side you glance over when they are being a jackass.

For me personally ? From UO and EQ zek days , DAOC , Lineage 2 and so on , PVP mixed with PVE makes the PVE x1000 better. I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to PVP though at all.

But , and here's the big thing , if you choose to set foot on a PVP server in an mmorpg , if you choose to set foot in a PVP zone , if you choose to set foot in Cyr , or IC here , you've got ZERO room to whine about being "unfairly ganked".

Zero.

PVP is killing the enemy before they kill you.

I liken it to this. I played HS football , wasn't big but was tough and fast. I got rolled at times by 300 lb monsters destined to play 1st string Defensive line on a major college football team as freshman 6 months from when they were playing against the rest of us who were normal sized.

None of us bitched about it being unfair , if we had of our own coaches would have offered us tissues and told us to go take our panties somewhere else. Rightfully so.

So when I see someone coming here whining about being killed in a PVP enabled area , it's blood in the water , I admit I enjoy it. Fully ,

It's also why me and my kids giggle when we 3 way snipe someone My wife isn't thrilled my 4 year old daughter and 6 year old son already know how to yell out , BOOM HEADSHOT , but at the same time chuckles and realizes it's family bonding time.

(on a side note mentioning sports I yanked my son off a baseball team that decided not to keeps score , because real life has winners and losers , thankfully that league went under in one season as not enough parents around here wanted their kids coddled. Football league thankfully lets the 6 year olds realize winning and losing is a thing )

You are exactly the problem OP is talking about.

Nosam · September 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

Because PVE only players have posted at least 1000 or so whining , bitching , posts about an actual PVP content loaded expansion/patch being released.

Then many throw in sociopath , bully , all PVP'rs are angry teens and so on. There's EQUALLY as much rudeness coming from the PVE side. It's just that whichever side you fall on is the side you glance over when they are being a jackass.

For me personally ? From UO and EQ zek days , DAOC , Lineage 2 and so on , PVP mixed with PVE makes the PVE x1000 better. I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to PVP though at all.

But , and here's the big thing , if you choose to set foot on a PVP server in an mmorpg , if you choose to set foot in a PVP zone , if you choose to set foot in Cyr , or IC here , you've got ZERO room to whine about being "unfairly ganked".

Zero.

PVP is killing the enemy before they kill you.

I liken it to this. I played HS football , wasn't big but was tough and fast. I got rolled at times by 300 lb monsters destined to play 1st string Defensive line on a major college football team as freshman 6 months from when they were playing against the rest of us who were normal sized.

None of us bitched about it being unfair , if we had of our own coaches would have offered us tissues and told us to go take our panties somewhere else. Rightfully so.

So when I see someone coming here whining about being killed in a PVP enabled area , it's blood in the water , I admit I enjoy it. Fully ,

It's also why me and my kids giggle when we 3 way snipe someone My wife isn't thrilled my 4 year old daughter and 6 year old son already know how to yell out , BOOM HEADSHOT , but at the same time chuckles and realizes it's family bonding time.

(on a side note mentioning sports I yanked my son off a baseball team that decided not to keeps score , because real life has winners and losers , thankfully that league went under in one season as not enough parents around here wanted their kids coddled. Football league thankfully lets the 6 year olds realize winning and losing is a thing )

You are exactly the problem OP is talking about.

Actually sounds about right to me. PVE whiners shouldn't be in PVP zones if they don't want to die.

Dahkoht · September 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

Because PVE only players have posted at least 1000 or so whining , bitching , posts about an actual PVP content loaded expansion/patch being released.

Then many throw in sociopath , bully , all PVP'rs are angry teens and so on. There's EQUALLY as much rudeness coming from the PVE side. It's just that whichever side you fall on is the side you glance over when they are being a jackass.

For me personally ? From UO and EQ zek days , DAOC , Lineage 2 and so on , PVP mixed with PVE makes the PVE x1000 better. I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to PVP though at all.

But , and here's the big thing , if you choose to set foot on a PVP server in an mmorpg , if you choose to set foot in a PVP zone , if you choose to set foot in Cyr , or IC here , you've got ZERO room to whine about being "unfairly ganked".

Zero.

PVP is killing the enemy before they kill you.

I liken it to this. I played HS football , wasn't big but was tough and fast. I got rolled at times by 300 lb monsters destined to play 1st string Defensive line on a major college football team as freshman 6 months from when they were playing against the rest of us who were normal sized.

None of us bitched about it being unfair , if we had of our own coaches would have offered us tissues and told us to go take our panties somewhere else. Rightfully so.

So when I see someone coming here whining about being killed in a PVP enabled area , it's blood in the water , I admit I enjoy it. Fully ,

It's also why me and my kids giggle when we 3 way snipe someone My wife isn't thrilled my 4 year old daughter and 6 year old son already know how to yell out , BOOM HEADSHOT , but at the same time chuckles and realizes it's family bonding time.

(on a side note mentioning sports I yanked my son off a baseball team that decided not to keeps score , because real life has winners and losers , thankfully that league went under in one season as not enough parents around here wanted their kids coddled. Football league thankfully lets the 6 year olds realize winning and losing is a thing )

You are exactly the problem OP is talking about.

You see , I'm a happy adult male with a good wife and kids and career. I play PC games for enjoyment. There's nothing in a video game anyone can do to "upset me".

As I do any game. And if someone lets me upset them over a video game , it's a little sugar on top.

As far as the PVP vs PVE thing , I look at it like someone showing up at our weekend pickup football games at the local field open on Sundays for such , where we play tackle , and complaining about it not being flag football.

If you don't want to be killed , don't step into the place where it can happen.

Both sides whine and *** , not about to deny that , it's just that the PVE side seems to think it's ok for them to call names.

Me , I just enjoy knowing it upsets someone so much getting killed in a game.

likelolwhat · September 2015

I'm not talking about griefing in game. FFS, the PvEers have a point and all, but that's more on ZOS than you.

No, I am talking about the constant abuse heaped upon the PvE community in the forums since the update. They are not whining. (Most of us are quite happy you got your update.) Even if they were, TAKE. THE. HIGH. ROAD.

Instead we get griefers piling on ever single thread, gloating, throwing insults, and being the biggest bunch of bullying brats I have EVER seen.

VincentBlanquin · September 2015

people have miserable real life, so they want to have nice numbers and feel successfull no matter what. nothing you can do for them ....

likelolwhat · September 2015

Dahkoht wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

Because PVE only players have posted at least 1000 or so whining , bitching , posts about an actual PVP content loaded expansion/patch being released.

Then many throw in sociopath , bully , all PVP'rs are angry teens and so on. There's EQUALLY as much rudeness coming from the PVE side. It's just that whichever side you fall on is the side you glance over when they are being a jackass.

For me personally ? From UO and EQ zek days , DAOC , Lineage 2 and so on , PVP mixed with PVE makes the PVE x1000 better. I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to PVP though at all.

But , and here's the big thing , if you choose to set foot on a PVP server in an mmorpg , if you choose to set foot in a PVP zone , if you choose to set foot in Cyr , or IC here , you've got ZERO room to whine about being "unfairly ganked".

Zero.

PVP is killing the enemy before they kill you.

I liken it to this. I played HS football , wasn't big but was tough and fast. I got rolled at times by 300 lb monsters destined to play 1st string Defensive line on a major college football team as freshman 6 months from when they were playing against the rest of us who were normal sized.

None of us bitched about it being unfair , if we had of our own coaches would have offered us tissues and told us to go take our panties somewhere else. Rightfully so.

So when I see someone coming here whining about being killed in a PVP enabled area , it's blood in the water , I admit I enjoy it. Fully ,

It's also why me and my kids giggle when we 3 way snipe someone My wife isn't thrilled my 4 year old daughter and 6 year old son already know how to yell out , BOOM HEADSHOT , but at the same time chuckles and realizes it's family bonding time.

(on a side note mentioning sports I yanked my son off a baseball team that decided not to keeps score , because real life has winners and losers , thankfully that league went under in one season as not enough parents around here wanted their kids coddled. Football league thankfully lets the 6 year olds realize winning and losing is a thing )

You are exactly the problem OP is talking about.

You see , I'm a happy adult male with a good wife and kids and career. I play PC games for enjoyment. There's nothing in a video game anyone can do to "upset me".

As I do any game. And if someone lets me upset them over a video game , it's a little sugar on top.

As far as the PVP vs PVE thing , I look at it like someone showing up at our weekend pickup football games at the local field open on Sundays for such , where we play tackle , and complaining about it not being flag football.

If you don't want to be killed , don't step into the place where it can happen.

Both sides whine and *** , not about to deny that , it's just that the PVE side seems to think it's ok for them to call names.

Me , I just enjoy knowing it upsets someone so much getting killed in a game.

Not following the forums FTW!

Dahkoht · September 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

I'm not talking about griefing in game. FFS, the PvEers have a point and all, but that's more on ZOS than you.

No, I am talking about the constant abuse heaped upon the PvE community in the forums since the update. They are not whining. (Most of us are quite happy you got your update.) Even if they were, TAKE. THE. HIGH. ROAD.

Instead we get griefers piling on ever single thread, gloating, throwing insults, and being the biggest bunch of bullying brats I have EVER seen.

Wait , are you really saying PVE'rs are "not whining" ?

Really ?

Want me to start linking the posts ?

likelolwhat · September 2015

Dahkoht wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

I'm not talking about griefing in game. FFS, the PvEers have a point and all, but that's more on ZOS than you.

No, I am talking about the constant abuse heaped upon the PvE community in the forums since the update. They are not whining. (Most of us are quite happy you got your update.) Even if they were, TAKE. THE. HIGH. ROAD.

Instead we get griefers piling on ever single thread, gloating, throwing insults, and being the biggest bunch of bullying brats I have EVER seen.

Wait , are you really saying PVE'rs are "not whining" ?

Really ?

Want me to start linking the posts ?

There are a few. It is true. The grand majority of PvEers are not upset at all that there was a PvP update. It's the PvE being mixed in, and locked behind both old and new PvP that is the problem with he game.

However. Regardless of whether ANYONE is whining: TAKE THE HIGH ROAD IF YOU'RE SO SUPERIOR.

Dahkoht · September 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

I'm not talking about griefing in game. FFS, the PvEers have a point and all, but that's more on ZOS than you.

No, I am talking about the constant abuse heaped upon the PvE community in the forums since the update. They are not whining. (Most of us are quite happy you got your update.) Even if they were, TAKE. THE. HIGH. ROAD.

Instead we get griefers piling on ever single thread, gloating, throwing insults, and being the biggest bunch of bullying brats I have EVER seen.

Wait , are you really saying PVE'rs are "not whining" ?

Really ?

Want me to start linking the posts ?

There are a few. It is true. The grand majority of PvEers are not upset at all that there was a PvP update. It's the PvE being mixed in, and locked behind both old and new PvP that is the problem with he game.

However. Regardless of whether ANYONE is whining: TAKE THE HIGH ROAD IF YOU'RE SO SUPERIOR.

But you see , it's sooooooooooooo easy to upset folks like yourself and other thin skinned people. Back when mmo's had separate servers and server communities , the ultimate was getting someone to post a rage I quit post over you ganking them in PVP.

Again , it's them GIVING me , and others , the power to upset them. Not us doing anything. And yes it's delicious.

It's a game , it's someone's own choice to let it upset them , or bother posting a whine thread about having to get killed to get some trinket they want.

I find more at odds how someone is bothered more by being killed by a player than a one shot type boss mob.

To me the people that let it get to them are the ones with the issues. If I get killed in PVP I just respawn and keep having fun.

More fun if I know I just killed someone and made them upset in real life.

I just don't really like weak people.

The secret ? Don't whine , don't *** , don't let us know it gets to you to kill you in a GAME, again a GAME.

It's just a bonus for the fun we already are having.

Wing · September 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9A8VJBh_Yc

@$$hole, trash talking, toxic gamers are a DISGRACE to the medium and should just get out.