When will sorcerors be addressed?

tommyshelby · September 2015

IC brings with it a major nerf to stamina builds. I can definitely understand why that needed to be done and it makes sense. However, any unbiased pvp competitor who spends a decent amount of time in Cyrodil knows that the game's most frustratingly OP'd abilities belong to the sorceror. The shields/buffs/extra-health spamming is ridiculous. Sorcerors have the firepower to kill anyone in two or theee hits, and the survivability to withstand a zerg. It is too much.

Has ZOS weighed in at all on a potential sorceror nerf?

Egonieser · September 2015

Lolwut? Exaggerate much? Do you realize how many nerfs sorcerers got after IC? Apparently not. It was affected enough for me to do a complete 180° on my build and playstyle. Troll moar please.

Damage was nerfed, regens were nerfed, class abilities e.g. Streak/BE/shield got nerfed, all that further goes down with Cyrodiil debuffs further reducing damage and shields by 50%.

Minnesinger · September 2015

tommyshelby wrote: »

IC brings with it a major nerf to stamina builds. I can definitely understand why that needed to be done and it makes sense. However, any unbiased pvp competitor who spends a decent amount of time in Cyrodil knows that the game's most frustratingly OP'd abilities belong to the sorceror. The shields/buffs/extra-health spamming is ridiculous. Sorcerors have the firepower to kill anyone in two or theee hits, and the survivability to withstand a zerg. It is too much.

Has ZOS weighed in at all on a potential sorceror nerf?

Apart from nerfing shields and damage in this patch? Even if they were universal nerfs that are points you made. Maybe you have something to check if you get killed by 3 hits. As a curiosity what class do you play?

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

tommyshelby wrote: »

IC brings with it a major nerf to stamina builds. I can definitely understand why that needed to be done and it makes sense. However, any unbiased pvp competitor who spends a decent amount of time in Cyrodil knows that the game's most frustratingly OP'd abilities belong to the sorceror. The shields/buffs/extra-health spamming is ridiculous. Sorcerors have the firepower to kill anyone in two or theee hits, and the survivability to withstand a zerg. It is too much.

Has ZOS weighed in at all on a potential sorceror nerf?

That a uh... Pretty interesting opinion you've got right there, sir. But um... Are you legitimately going to ignore the fact that Dragonknights can bounce back almost half if not more than half of the Sorcerer's arsenal back at them? Or... Perhaps the fact a Nightblade can just spam a Sorcerer with obnoxiously-powerful bow attacks which land within seconds due to animation canceling? Or perhaps the Mass Hysteria shenanigans which take place. Again, thanks to our good friends the local, ganker, Nightblade. Oh, and did I mention such strong, silly, things such as Radiant Destruction? But anyway, I'm truly curious at how this thread will turn out. Lol.

uso245 · September 2015

DKs from what I here are currently the most OP classes (normal thing...) I know a few people running stam dk that can perma-block even after the stam nerf.

Leandor · September 2015

Egonieser wrote: »

Damage was nerfed, regens were nerfed, class abilities e.g. Streak/BE/shield got nerfed, all that further goes down with Cyrodiil debuffs further reducing damage and shields by 50%.

Not that I want to appear to be agreeing with OP, but all those issues you have listed are applicable to any and all build/class. Instead of streak nerf, it may be dodge nerf or block nerf, but in some way all are universal. So your point is?

Elektrakosh · September 2015

AJ_1988 wrote: »

It will never happen. Sorcs cry like little female dogs ( the b word is banned apparently ) at any thing that affects them. Also they make up the majority of people that have no life's and play this 24/7. Enough said. There is so much I want to say but I will wait till the next piece of BS I see. Then that will be my last ever post as it will get me banned. Not that I would complain.

This Sorceror doesn't. She does get kicked from pillar to post, yes but that is the tradeoff for wearing robes and not armour.

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

AJ_1988 wrote: »

It will never happen. Sorcs cry like little female dogs ( the b word is banned apparently ) at any thing that affects them. Also they make up the majority of people that have no life's and play this 24/7. Enough said. There is so much I want to say but I will wait till the next piece of BS I see. Then that will be my last ever post as it will get me banned. Not that I would complain.

Really...? That's how you feel...? Sorcerers cry like "little, female, dogs" at anything that affects them? C'mon son. Do better than that. I can tell right off of the back, you must be a PVP'er primarily. Not to mention, you must either be a Nightblade or Dragonknight. Again, I'm just guessing. But really? And then how Sorcerers are the majority of the no lifes that play this game 24/7? Man, go play some CoD or Destiny. ESO isn't even about all that, bruh. Take that trash outta here. This isn't a MLG forum or Gamebattles forum. Not to mention, you as well play the game. So the same could be said about you having no life. So ease up, bruh. Chill.

AJ_1988 · September 2015

Mate I know that for a fact because that's all that's ever playing constantly. And like I said. Feel free to complain I like to laugh. And no it's not how I feel. Do you really want to know how I feel? Wait for me to start a post.

tommyshelby · September 2015

All the people on this post arguing that sorcerors have been over-nerfed are completely delusional or play a sorc and have no idea what other classes go through trying to kill them. And to clarify, i am talking 1v1. I'm sure lots of you sorcerors arguing against me have been killed by zergs and don't realize that doesn't mean you are over-nerfed.

tommyshelby · September 2015

The best part is, most of the sorcerors I befriend and talk to in-game will freely admit how OP they are.

Merlin13KAGL · September 2015

AJ_1988 wrote: »

It will never happen. Sorcs cry like little female dogs ( the b word is banned apparently ) at any thing that affects them. Also they make up the majority of people that have no life's and play this 24/7. Enough said. There is so much I want to say but I will wait till the next piece of BS I see. Then that will be my last ever post as it will get me banned. Not that I would complain.

@AJ_1988 , read your own post, did ya?

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Also shield stackers are weak. nuff said. Those who want to complain about what I said. Feel free. I like laughing.

"Enough said..." (You're doing it wrong.)

Prof_Bawbag · September 2015

This place is full of threads directing all their hate towards ZoS for their over zealous approach to nerfing. It's not ZoS who are the real problem, it's the people coming on here whining every day for things to be nerfed right, left and centre.

Tomorrow it will be someone else whining and crying about why something else needs nerfed.

AJ_1988 · September 2015

Wait better not say that ZOS might moderate me again. I can type how ever the hell I want. If I want to type short hand and with slang I have every right to do so. Are you God? No ofcourse not. God isn't real. Yes I said it. It's called freedom of speech. Something that seems to be denied on here.

Also if you have to correct everyone's grammer, I feel sorry for the people in your sad life.

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Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Again, I'll say it again. I wonder if the same people calling Sorcerers overpowered are saying the same about Dragonknights or Nightblades. Last I checked Dragonknights have amazing CC, can grab you from pretty far away, can reflect a vast majority of Sorcerer abilities back at them, can put in work with their Standard, etc. Not to mention the synergy applied if they're Dark Elves (but we'll ignore that for now lol). Did I mention how effective Dragon Blood and its morphs are? And don't even get me started on Nightblades. Lmao. But yeah, after all of this you truly feel Sorcerers are OP? Not to mention most Sorcerers don't have enough stamina to keep up breaking out of CC and or block? Let me just watch this thread from a distance, and shake my head. Lol.

@AJ_1988 By the way, take it easy. You give off the vibe of a stereotypical FPS gamer. Relax man. Stop being so confrontational. Your: Blood pressure, emotional health, and mental health will thank you for listening to me in these regards. But, the constant attacks you're making make it seem like your personal life is pretty terrible. And I have no clue if it is or isn't, but c'mon son. Do better. You name-droppin God, making personal attacks, etc. Be easy, bruh.

Prof_Bawbag · September 2015

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Wait better not say that ZOS might moderate me again. I can type how ever the hell I want. If I want to type short hand and with slang I have every right to do so. Are you God? No ofcourse not. God isn't real. Yes I said it. It's called freedom of speech. Something that seems to be denied on here.

Also if you have to correct everyone's grammer, I feel sorry for the people in your sad life.

For someone insinuating that "nothing really bothers them", you're fairly giving it your best shot of taking every trivial thing to heart. Couldn't care less about people picking you up about your grammar, then let it pass you by. That's what people usually do when they feel how you're acting. You're coming across like a petulant little child that craves any sort of attention as long as it's attention.

No doubt this won't bother you either and you'll have to tell us all that it doesn't bother you. Grow a backbone and stop your attention seeking would be my advice to you.

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olsborg · September 2015

tommyshelby wrote: »

IC brings with it a major nerf to stamina builds. I can definitely understand why that needed to be done and it makes sense. However, any unbiased pvp competitor who spends a decent amount of time in Cyrodil knows that the game's most frustratingly OP'd abilities belong to the sorceror. The shields/buffs/extra-health spamming is ridiculous. Sorcerors have the firepower to kill anyone in two or theee hits, and the survivability to withstand a zerg. It is too much.

Has ZOS weighed in at all on a potential sorceror nerf?

Sounds more like a l2p issue to me, some ppl never get satisfied until someone nerfs someone so hard that you will win every fight. Thats what it sounds like to me, I have no trouble whatsoever killing sorcs.

AJ_1988 · September 2015

Nothing wrong with my health one bit mate what makes you an expert in my health? Nothing. Also there is nothing wrong with my personal life. Great job, great family. [SNIP] So nothing wrong with my life at all it's exactly how I want to be an exactly where I want it to be.

Maybe you should stop throwing off about how terrible your life is huh? Exactly.

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Merlin13KAGL · September 2015

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Wait better not say that ZOS might moderate me again. I can type how ever the hell I want. If I want to type short hand and with slang I have every right to do so. Are you God? No ofcourse not. God isn't real. Yes I said it. It's called freedom of speech. Something that seems to be denied on here.

Also if you have to correct everyone's grammer, I feel sorry for the people in your sad life.

It's not about the shorthand version using the ' (you actually got that right).

It's about the fact that your throwing out massive hyperbole in your initial post, follow up with making your "Ultimatum - I'm done talking about this" post, and moments later, you're running off at the mouth again.

However, it seems your posts have already been removed, and I suspect you'll be soon to follow.

L2P or put your money where your mouth is and uninstall.

Either way, take your unjustified anger elsewhere.

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Ch4mpTW · September 2015

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Wait better not say that ZOS might moderate me again. I can type how ever the hell I want. If I want to type short hand and with slang I have every right to do so. Are you God? No ofcourse not. God isn't real. Yes I said it. It's called freedom of speech. Something that seems to be denied on here.

Also if you have to correct everyone's grammer, I feel sorry for the people in your sad life.

For someone insinuating that "nothing really bothers them", you're fairly giving it your best shot of taking every trivial thing to heart. Couldn't care less about people picking you up about your grammar, then let it pass you by. That's what people usually do when they feel how you're acting. You're coming across like a petulant little child that craves any sort of attention as long as it's attention.

No doubt this won't bother you either and you'll have to tell us all that it doesn't bother you. Grow a backbone and stop your attention seeking would be my advice to you.

Lol, I tried to talking to him. I tried being kind with the fellow. I tried give him constructive and positive tips on overall self-improvement. Then they go on the offense again, and go on another tangent. Something about having a good household, and money being passed as stool from their rear. I personally think they're on the Skooma, or had too much ale. I've heard of Khajit in Skyrim who behave like this once they've had too many hits of Skooma, or tankards of ale.

@AJ_1988 I wish the best, sir.

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ZOS_Julien · September 2015

Hi, everyone. We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track. Thank you!

Avenias · September 2015

ZOS_Julien wrote: »

Hi, everyone. We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track. Thank you!

Jesus christ, will u pls stop popping up with a standardized response. Use ur own response for a change!

Artfuldodger · September 2015

This is really keeping the mod's busy

Reznique · September 2015

All classes are OP versus low skilled players.

Flaminir · September 2015

OLIVI3R wrote: »

All classes are OP versus low skilled players.

Congratulations...... you sir win today's internet!

For 95% of the posts on the forum about a skill/class being OP you may as well just replace it with a big sticker that says "I got killed and haven't bothered to find out why or learn the other class and learn the counters to it properly. I also have no concept of tactical play to enable me to win.... PLEASE NERF EVERYBODY BUT ME.... I PAID FOR THE GAME I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO WIN"!

P3ZZL3 · September 2015

Avenias wrote: »

ZOS_Julien wrote: »

Hi, everyone. SNIP!

Jesus christ, will u pls stop popping up with a standardized response. Use ur own response for a change!

You Sir, have now officially re-won the internet

Ch4mpTW · September 2015

OLIVI3R wrote: »

All classes are OP versus low skilled players.

I agree. But then, you have those very small percentages where certain class skills are truly OP (in terms of their mechanics being bugged, or "over-tuned"), AND you have a highly-skilled player using said OP skill of class. And that is when all chaos breaks loose, and madness ensues. And I'm not talking ole' Sheogorath. ^_~

willymchilybily · September 2015

Avenias wrote: »

ZOS_Julien wrote: »

Hi, everyone. We understand that people are going to disagree from time to time, but please remember to keep your comments respectful at all times on our forums, even when you disagree with others. Insults or other disruptive behavior do not help further discussion and can move a thread off topic quickly. We encourage sharing opinions, but we ask that they are constructively stated when doing so, as this will help keep the discussion on track. Thank you!

Jesus christ, will u pls stop popping up with a standardized response. Use ur own response for a change!

They are not allowed to do that.

Not that i want to impinge on the freedom of speech of @tommyshelby (like your forum handle peeky blinders is excellent), this thread is mostly a "slagging match" rather than constructive discussion, perhaps it might be worth considering locking the thread?

As for on topic Original Post. i think its too soon to say where the balance now lies for how powerful one class is vs another. both stamina and magicka got hit hard. Reduced damage alone made high burst low sustain builds far less viable.

It would be unfair to say specific nerfs to dodge roll/block should in anyway be linked to sorcerers also needing a nerf these balances are not mutually exclusive, other classes need to dodge and block also, and bolt escape already has a multiplicative cost increase for repeat use, if anything dodge roll was just following suit.

TequilaFire · September 2015

Here we go again turn a Sorc thread into a bash DK thread.
Hilarious as usual.
How about everybody just sit down and play the game instead of trying to buff troll threads.

rich.magab14a_ESO · September 2015

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Again, I'll say it again. I wonder if the same people calling Sorcerers overpowered are saying the same about Dragonknights or Nightblades. Last I checked Dragonknights have amazing CC, can grab you from pretty far away, can reflect a vast majority of Sorcerer abilities back at them, can put in work with their Standard, etc. Not to mention the synergy applied if they're Dark Elves (but we'll ignore that for now lol). Did I mention how effective Dragon Blood and its morphs are? And don't even get me started on Nightblades. Lmao. But yeah, after all of this you truly feel Sorcerers are OP? Not to mention most Sorcerers don't have enough stamina to keep up breaking out of CC and or block? Let me just watch this thread from a distance, and shake my head. Lol.

@AJ_1988 By the way, take it easy. You give off the vibe of a stereotypical FPS gamer. Relax man. Stop being so confrontational. Your: Blood pressure, emotional health, and mental health will thank you for listening to me in these regards. But, the constant attacks you're making make it seem like your personal life is pretty terrible. And I have no clue if it is or isn't, but c'mon son. Do better. You name-droppin God, making personal attacks, etc. Be easy, bruh.

Sorry dude but your comments on DK's being OP are laughable. Standard with it's high cost is useless and by now most pvper's are smart enough to get out of a standard anyways. Dragons blood now is a terrible self heal, with the nerf to heals. You literally have to be one shot from death to make that heal work for you and most of the time you die before you can get it off. As far as dks using chains to pull you, I cant see why a dk would use such a buggy skill as a gap closer in pvp. it's useless for pvp(there are much better gap closers in sword and board and the 2 hander skill lines). Dks CC is good but you need to spam talons 2 or 3 times for them to work so it can get you into a pickle with your magika resources

Sithisvoid · September 2015

When will unskilled people complaining nonstop because they lost be addressed?