IC spawn system

asneakybanana · September 2015

The spawn system in IC is the most *** thing i have ever seen. people spawn right on top of you, hide in their spawn and snipe spam you or just keep charging in over and over and over since there is literally no penalty of them dying since the enemies dont get any xp or ap for the first 30 seconds. It just encourages bad gameplay and zerging off the spawn. if a player dies they should b forced to spawn back in their base and they should not have immediate port up to the streets they should be forced to go through the sewers to get back up to the streets.

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Teargrants · September 2015

Called it on PTS.

DaveMoeDee · September 2015

I do like the idea that people can immediately try to get their stones back, but the implementation is tricky.

Glory · September 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Called it on PTS.

As did I, but people said it was fun to "be able to get back into the fight."

Death debuff or back to base.

Lava_Croft · September 2015

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

LegendaryChef · September 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

Wow Kris, this is your first post I've actually enjoyed reading mate, keep up the good work!

Avonna · September 2015

and we keep playing because its the best looking game?

the most fun?

we have no other torture devices at home to play with?

Master_Kas · September 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

Basiclly this. IC feels like some kind of a bad war/fighter movie.
Where everyone instantly spawns and *** you together with the *** of NPC's roaming around.

Will just try get tel var stones to get the armor I want then I wont be setting my foot in there again.

Edit: More call of duty for the people, just with way slower TTK's

Lava_Croft · September 2015

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

Basiclly this. IC feels like some kind of a bad war/fighter movie.
Where everyone instantly spawns and *** you together with the *** of NPC's roaming around.

Will just try get tel var stones to get the armor I want then I wont be setting my foot in there again.

Edit: More call of duty for the people, just with way slower TTK's

50 stones? Mist Form to bank. 50 stones? Mist Form to bank.

Rinse and repeat.

Gol Barr · September 2015

i guess it prevents camping the spawn points........

Gol Barr · September 2015

camping should have been CAMPING!!!!! if you play CoD or Battlefield who do you hate most>.............

OdinForge · September 2015

Sigh

Master_Kas · September 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

Basiclly this. IC feels like some kind of a bad war/fighter movie.
Where everyone instantly spawns and *** you together with the *** of NPC's roaming around.

Will just try get tel var stones to get the armor I want then I wont be setting my foot in there again.

Edit: More call of duty for the people, just with way slower TTK's

50 stones? Mist Form to bank. 50 stones? Mist Form to bank.

Rinse and repeat.

Never thought about mist form about this. Will be more handy than cloak xD !

RedTalon · September 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

Basiclly this. IC feels like some kind of a bad war/fighter movie.
Where everyone instantly spawns and *** you together with the *** of NPC's roaming around.

Will just try get tel var stones to get the armor I want then I wont be setting my foot in there again.

Edit: More call of duty for the people, just with way slower TTK's

50 stones? Mist Form to bank. 50 stones? Mist Form to bank.

Rinse and repeat.

Or grab a bow set on your spawn point with a few other snipers and snipe people who think its wise to try to get people has they respawn

Psilent · September 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

The spawn system in IC is the most *** thing i have ever seen. people spawn right on top of you, hide in their spawn and snipe spam you or just keep charging in over and over and over since there is literally no penalty of them dying since the enemies dont get any xp or ap for the first 30 seconds. It just encourages bad gameplay and zerging off the spawn. if a player dies they should b forced to spawn back in their base and they should not have immediate port up to the streets they should be forced to go through the sewers to get back up to the streets.

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The only time I saw this happening today was when enemy players were camping spawn points.

Iyas · September 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

have to agree with kris

xaraan · September 2015

Yep.

Yet another horrible mistake that was pointed out to them in feedback that they chose to ignore.

Robbmrp · September 2015

asneakybanana wrote: »

The spawn system in IC is the most *** thing i have ever seen. people spawn right on top of you, hide in their spawn and snipe spam you or just keep charging in over and over and over since there is literally no penalty of them dying since the enemies dont get any xp or ap for the first 30 seconds. It just encourages bad gameplay and zerging off the spawn. if a player dies they should b forced to spawn back in their base and they should not have immediate port up to the streets they should be forced to go through the sewers to get back up to the streets.

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To make IC fun, when you die and rez you should do so in another district. This would make things a lot more interesting for sure if people had to rez in different locations. It could help break up the groups as well.

lifefrombelowb14_ESO · September 2015

Just think it's a convenient place to zerg all bottled up in one handy location.

Meanwhile outside the IC the tumbleweeds run rampant and totally unchallenged.

Armitas · September 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

This pretty much sums up PTS every freaking time. The only purpose in going on PTS is to try to get your toon ready for live, cause the feedback is giant waste of time.

AhPook_Is_Here · September 2015

MAybe it is time to bring back forward camps.

Ezareth · September 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

Basiclly this. IC feels like some kind of a bad war/fighter movie.
Where everyone instantly spawns and *** you together with the *** of NPC's roaming around.

Will just try get tel var stones to get the armor I want then I wont be setting my foot in there again.

Edit: More call of duty for the people, just with way slower TTK's

50 stones? Mist Form to bank. 50 stones? Mist Form to bank.

Rinse and repeat.

50? I don't bother heading to bank until I get 2K or so.

The issue you guys have is you're fighting in the Zerg Swarm Campaings in the heart of the Swarm. Don't like zergs and instant-spawns try the Sewers on for size ( =

asneakybanana · September 2015

Psilent wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

The spawn system in IC is the most *** thing i have ever seen. people spawn right on top of you, hide in their spawn and snipe spam you or just keep charging in over and over and over since there is literally no penalty of them dying since the enemies dont get any xp or ap for the first 30 seconds. It just encourages bad gameplay and zerging off the spawn. if a player dies they should b forced to spawn back in their base and they should not have immediate port up to the streets they should be forced to go through the sewers to get back up to the streets.

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The only time I saw this happening today was when enemy players were camping spawn points.

We can't spawn camp because there is no reward at all. So.instead we.just went about our business and tried to kill the roaming boss and then 16 people attacked us and die. We get xp and ap. They instantly respawn 50 feet away all run back at you and guess what? Not even spawn camping yet still getting f no ap or xp and the only downside for the enemies is they have to run 50 feet. Death has a huge consequence the first time and then nothing after that which isn't how it should b.

Robbmrp wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

The spawn system in IC is the most *** thing i have ever seen. people spawn right on top of you, hide in their spawn and snipe spam you or just keep charging in over and over and over since there is literally no penalty of them dying since the enemies dont get any xp or ap for the first 30 seconds. It just encourages bad gameplay and zerging off the spawn. if a player dies they should b forced to spawn back in their base and they should not have immediate port up to the streets they should be forced to go through the sewers to get back up to the streets.

[Moderator Note: Edited title our rules on Language]

To make IC fun, when you die and rez you should do so in another district. This would make things a lot more interesting for sure if people had to rez in different locations. It could help break up the groups as well.

Love that idea. Would force people that want to group together to find their way back to each other or just accept having to run solo for a bit.

driosketch · September 2015

I kind of felt bad for for this one templar. He kept trying to solo rush our group, dying over and over again.

That being said, I'm not seeing an issue. Maybe they were having fun. I was having fun. We will have to see if I do get tired of it, but this messy instabrawl is a lot more enjoyable than the ride and gank trips between keeps. And if you don't want to get sniped from a spawn point, give those areas some space.

SturgeHammer · September 2015

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I do like the idea that people can immediately try to get their stones back, but the implementation is tricky.

I thought this was true, but ran into an odd scenario last night. Was running in a duo when I died to a nightblade, losing about 60 stones (I am aware this isn't a lot of stones) very close to a respawn point. The NB that killed me immediately turned to fight with the person I was duoing with, who was able to tank the NB long enough for me to jump down from spawn and get back into the fight. The night blade was then killed. My teammate and I both got 3 stones for the kill. No mobs or other players were part of the kill to the best of my knowledge.

So, what happened to the 80% of the 60 stones we should have, in theory, gotten back? Did the NB still have them? Did they just disappear? Did the NB not receive 60 when they killed me the first time? Tel Var Stone calculation bug?

There are a lot of variables working here, but the gist is that even an instant karma style revenge kill as described in that anecdote doesn't guarantee any recouping of lost stones. Currently I am leaning toward this being bug related, but it could just be my ignorance of how the Tel Var mechanics actually work.

Ezareth · September 2015

SturgeHammer wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I do like the idea that people can immediately try to get their stones back, but the implementation is tricky.

I thought this was true, but ran into an odd scenario last night. Was running in a duo when I died to a nightblade, losing about 60 stones (I am aware this isn't a lot of stones) very close to a respawn point. The NB that killed me immediately turned to fight with the person I was duoing with, who was able to tank the NB long enough for me to jump down from spawn and get back into the fight. The night blade was then killed. My teammate and I both got 3 stones for the kill. No mobs or other players were part of the kill to the best of my knowledge.

So, what happened to the 80% of the 60 stones we should have, in theory, gotten back? Did the NB still have them? Did they just disappear? Did the NB not receive 60 when they killed me the first time? Tel Var Stone calculation bug?

There are a lot of variables working here, but the gist is that even an instant karma style revenge kill as described in that anecdote doesn't guarantee any recouping of lost stones. Currently I am leaning toward this being bug related, but it could just be my ignorance of how the Tel Var mechanics actually work.

I've been wondering about this myself.

It should probably be tested with a small amount of stones and a friend from another faction. It wouldn't be the first time ZOS failed at math. Maybe they screwed up the decimal place and your 60 stones became 6 divided by 2 = 3?

Teargrants · September 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

SturgeHammer wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

I do like the idea that people can immediately try to get their stones back, but the implementation is tricky.

I thought this was true, but ran into an odd scenario last night. Was running in a duo when I died to a nightblade, losing about 60 stones (I am aware this isn't a lot of stones) very close to a respawn point. The NB that killed me immediately turned to fight with the person I was duoing with, who was able to tank the NB long enough for me to jump down from spawn and get back into the fight. The night blade was then killed. My teammate and I both got 3 stones for the kill. No mobs or other players were part of the kill to the best of my knowledge.

So, what happened to the 80% of the 60 stones we should have, in theory, gotten back? Did the NB still have them? Did they just disappear? Did the NB not receive 60 when they killed me the first time? Tel Var Stone calculation bug?

There are a lot of variables working here, but the gist is that even an instant karma style revenge kill as described in that anecdote doesn't guarantee any recouping of lost stones. Currently I am leaning toward this being bug related, but it could just be my ignorance of how the Tel Var mechanics actually work.

I've been wondering about this myself.

It should probably be tested with a small amount of stones and a friend from another faction. It wouldn't be the first time ZOS failed at math. Maybe they screwed up the decimal place and your 60 stones became 6 divided by 2 = 3?

Lava_Croft · September 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

So basically this is just like any other major update. People point out serious flaws on the PTS, they are ignored, the patch hits Live people point out the serious flaws once again. Half a year later, some half-assed solution is implemented that nobody is really happy with.

Basiclly this. IC feels like some kind of a bad war/fighter movie.
Where everyone instantly spawns and *** you together with the *** of NPC's roaming around.

Will just try get tel var stones to get the armor I want then I wont be setting my foot in there again.

Edit: More call of duty for the people, just with way slower TTK's

50 stones? Mist Form to bank. 50 stones? Mist Form to bank.

Rinse and repeat.

50? I don't bother heading to bank until I get 2K or so.

The issue you guys have is you're fighting in the Zerg Swarm Campaings in the heart of the Swarm. Don't like zergs and instant-spawns try the Sewers on for size ( =

I have no issues with the TV stones. It was banter.

Axyredo · September 2015

Sneaky you have emp

asneakybanana · September 2015

Axyredo wrote: »

Sneaky you have emp

Lol work op. Just another 4 hours b4 I can get on.

k2blader · September 2015

Avonna wrote: »

and we keep playing because its the best looking game?

the most fun?

we have no other torture devices at home to play with?

Not at home, but I torture myself with Starbucks coffee. I do it for the AC.