That is way to punishing, like really?

SG_Celerrimus · September 2015

So I was just farming stones happily in the sewers as I wanted to, and then I suddenly get ripped out of stealth by a pack of EP players and killed on the spot. I understand its PvP, but the amount of stones they get is ridiculous. I had 1k stones I worked hard to farm, and to have them somehow know exactly where I was and then rip me out of stealth and kill me is WAY to punishing. Reduce it to like 50% stones, not 80%, that is just to much.

I almost alt + F'd on the spot, things like this make me not want to play.

TheBull · September 2015

Why did you have 1k stones on you if you weren't willing to lose them?

You know carrying that many stones is risky right?

You have only yourself to blame.

The game can't save you from yourself.

SG_Celerrimus · September 2015

I am probably going to get flooded with the "deal with it people" and what not, or people saying "thats part of the game bruuhhh" but I honestly don't care, just feedback if the devs ever read this :-/

Lightninvash · September 2015

well you knew the risk before you went in there. unfortunate it happened like that to you but the risk to lose it was always there when you first walked in tt the pvp area

apostate9 · September 2015

Then the new Imperial City DLC might not be a good fit for you.

SG_Celerrimus · September 2015

apostate9 wrote: »

Then the new Imperial City DLC might not be a good fit for you.

Yea, I hate PvP, I really feel it ruins the game, but there is nothing else to do and the only new PvE content that is major is, unfortunately, involved in PvP.

likelolwhat · September 2015

Sorry that happened to you.

TheBull · September 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

Sorry that happened to you.

Why be sorry for him. He knew what he was doing.

Callous2208 · September 2015

Got to bank those stones friend. When I'm solo or small group I return to bank at about 300 stones.

Personofsecrets · September 2015

TheBull wrote: »

Why did you have 1k stones on you if you weren't willing to lose them?

You know carrying that many stones is risky right?

You have only yourself to blame.

The game can't save you from yourself.

Nobody makes the choice to get killed by a zerg.

The disproportionate amount of time and skill it takes to gather stones versus losing them to a zerg is extreme and problematic.

SG_Celerrimus · September 2015

TheBull wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

Sorry that happened to you.

Why be sorry for him. He knew what he was doing.

Actually, I had no idea that being stealthed in the corner, full hidden bar, means nothing, and that they knew exactly where I was despite being stealthed long before they showed up.

Xendyn · September 2015

1. This is a pvp DLC, as has been stated many times. All future slated DLC we have heard about so far, such as Orsinium coming next is PvE. You have plenty coming.

2. Some very helpful tips to learn to IC
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212691/l2p-imperial-city-like-a-boss-tips-and-tricks/p1

As for "ruins the game", this game has always been about integrated pve and pvp. The grand scale of AvA was a huge selling point. Also, in case you hadn't noticed, the entire story revolves around the Alliance War and Molag Bal. IC is the next chapter. Not sure how you'd expect to recapture the city without a war.

SG_Celerrimus · September 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

1. This is a pvp DLC, as has been stated many times. All future slated DLC we have heard about so far, such as Orsinium coming next is PvE. You have plenty coming.

2. Some very helpful tips to learn to IC
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212691/l2p-imperial-city-like-a-boss-tips-and-tricks/p1

As for "ruins the game", this game has always been about integrated pve and pvp. The grand scale of AvA was a huge selling point. Also, in case you hadn't noticed, the entire story revolves around the Alliance War and Molag Bal. IC is the next chapter. Not sure how you'd expect to recapture the city without a war.

Yes but in this case its ruining because you have solo to small group PvE being made impossible or made extremely impractical by PvP players who only ever travel in massive zergs, constantly resetting the progress of PvE players whenever they try and do anything. Because of the way the system works, a group of 20 people can make the PvE of IC practically impossible by always resetting their progress.

Merlin13KAGL · September 2015

Detect potion, Radiant Magelight, Sentry set, random large area AoE thrown about for that very kind of thing (Caltrops), or perhaps a painfully bad choice in locations to stop and stealth.

If you have that much, take the time to deposit some.

Keep 100 on you so you get the x2 multiplier, but don't try to hoard that many if you're going it solo.

Zerg or not, there are many things in IC that can be your demise.

Rook_Master · September 2015

deal with it people

thats part of the game bruuhhh

Thymos · September 2015

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

I am probably going to get flooded with the "deal with it people" and what not, or people saying "thats part of the game bruuhhh" but I honestly don't care, just feedback if the devs ever read this :-/

You did post on a public forum.

Funkopotamus · September 2015

Just think of IC as if it were VEGAS BABY YEAH!

Feel that blood rush!

likelolwhat · September 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

Just think of IC as if it were VEGAS BABY YEAH!

Feel that blood rush!

I can just feel my blood pressure rising... rising... up it goes...

likelolwhat · September 2015

TheBull wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

Sorry that happened to you.

Why be sorry for him. He knew what he was doing.

There is no need to be rude. I was expressing sympathy since he was upset, and attempting to add some common civility to what I expected what about to become another thread full of unhelpful and cruel "L2P u carebear" responses from sadists.

And how, exactly, do you know that he knew what he was doing?

Funkopotamus · September 2015

likelolwhat wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

Sorry that happened to you.

Why be sorry for him. He knew what he was doing.

There is no need to be rude. I was expressing sympathy since he was upset, and attempting to add some common civility to what I expected what about to become another thread full of unhelpful and cruel "L2P u carebear" responses from sadists.

And how, exactly, do you know that he knew what he was doing?

I wont go into the "Carebear L2P" talk, but I will ask you just like Apostste and tanquall pointed out on another of these threads..

Tankquall:
what i find intresting is that if you are "robbed" of your hard work by a NPC guard cleansing all your stolen - or achieved by killing NPC - goods when being caught is perfectly fine but if a player is involveld doing the same we have an uproar like the servers are announced to be shut down...

Apostate9:
These kids have social issues, man. They don't mind getting rekt by robots in COH over and over and over... but God forfend that a plyer should kill them, and derive any enjoyment from it. That sounds like.... "competition".

Ewwww....

likelolwhat · September 2015

Funkopotamus wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

Sorry that happened to you.

Why be sorry for him. He knew what he was doing.

There is no need to be rude. I was expressing sympathy since he was upset, and attempting to add some common civility to what I expected what about to become another thread full of unhelpful and cruel "L2P u carebear" responses from sadists.

And how, exactly, do you know that he knew what he was doing?

I wont go into the "Carebear L2P" talk, but I will ask you just like Apostste and tanquall pointed out on another of these threads..

Tankquall:
what i find intresting is that if you are "robbed" of your hard work by a NPC guard cleansing all your stolen - or achieved by killing NPC - goods when being caught is perfectly fine but if a player is involveld doing the same we have an uproar like the servers are announced to be shut down...

Apostate9:
These kids have social issues, man. They don't mind getting rekt by robots in COH over and over and over... but God forfend that a plyer should kill them, and derive any enjoyment from it. That sounds like.... "competition".

Ewwww....

I don't mean sadists in terms of PvP kills. I understand that even if I don't PvP.

I mean the responses some people give on these threads. Unhelpful, cruel, sadistic responses.

(Edited to include edit to quote. Edited again because fail.)

AshTal · September 2015

Right now you are at a great disavatage to get stones from NPC you better off to just zerg the poor sods doing it in a 20 man group. Yes you might not get many but it beats being murdered and losing hours of play.

Frozstee · September 2015

I wont go into the "Carebear L2P" talk, but I will ask you just like Apostste and tanquall pointed out on another of these threads..

Tankquall:
what i find intresting is that if you are "robbed" of your hard work by a NPC guard cleansing all your stolen - or achieved by killing NPC - goods when being caught is perfectly fine but if a player is involveld doing the same we have an uproar like the servers are announced to be shut down...

Apostate9:
These kids have social issues, man. They don't mind getting rekt by robots in COH over and over and over... but God forfend that a plyer should kill them, and derive any enjoyment from it. That sounds like.... "competition".

Ewwww....

The big part missing from the equation is that Bots don't brag over your corpse and tell you "Learn to Play BRUUUH!"

I think most players can accept the fact that if you are going into the PVP zones, you are going to get killed, plain and simple. It's a bit different when the majority of the population are trolls who show no remorse or even stop to offer bits of assistance to those unfamiliar with the system. Kill and gloat is all too common.

TequilaFire · September 2015

I don't think the problem is loosing stones to another player in a fair fight, the problem is loosing stones to a group of other players in a zerg just because you aren't in another zerg.

Still say groups should be limited to 8 in IC.

CitraBenzoet_ESO · September 2015

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

likelolwhat wrote: »

Sorry that happened to you.

Why be sorry for him. He knew what he was doing.

Actually, I had no idea that being stealthed in the corner, full hidden bar, means nothing, and that they knew exactly where I was despite being stealthed long before they showed up.

There are these things called detect potions, they show stealthed players within 20 meters for 12 secs. We pvpers eat these things like candy. Just be happy they nerfed the detect duration from 30secs to 12 or whatever.

P.s.- you can eat them too to find those pesky gankers you all are afraid of.

P.s.s.- kite bosses to players trying to steal your stones. You pve kings and queens know how to kite npcs right?

Also dont cast in stealth we can hear or see it. Put your pets or engine guardian away. And learn that staying in one spot stealthed isnt as great of a defense than stealthed and moving.

Sucks about your stones but.... you can always get more.

Also the more i read about this crap the more i want to sell you guys my time to be your body guards down there.

I stealthed my dk around all the districts and fished for like 2 hours yesterday alone and got out with 600 stones.

Come on! Its not the end of the world! so you lost some bytes... youll get more.

Xendyn · September 2015

SG_Celerrimus wrote: »

Yes but in this case its ruining because you have solo to small group PvE being made impossible or made extremely impractical by PvP players who only ever travel in massive zergs, constantly resetting the progress of PvE players whenever they try and do anything. Because of the way the system works, a group of 20 people can make the PvE of IC practically impossible by always resetting their progress.

We found last night that a full raid is actually much less effective for gathering stones. AP wasn't so great, either. Most likely everyone else will come to that conclusion naturally as well. Also right now, Everyone is wanting to get in there and see it. That will calm down in a week or two, as it always does with new content.

The other problem we have right now is the silly "everyone has access 24/7" that people insisted on. You are seeing the results. It would be much different if we had to earn access. Then your side could go in and clear out the majority of the enemies and you would be able to do the pve with fewer large groups to worry about. People have to lay in the bed they made now.

Go read those tips I linked for you and look at it as an opportunity to up your game. I never pvped in my entire life until ESO. It has improved my mobility, situational awareness and how much I pay attention to what the players are doing. You have to as players are less predictible than the static mechanics of AI mobs.

SG_Celerrimus · September 2015

Just a quick note of something I observed, I was in the immunity spot that you enter after using the door to swap between districts, and after loading into the arena district, I was greeted by a 15 man zerg just staring at me, waiting for that fateful moment when I jump down from the platform. The zerg rush to kill me was real.

sagitter · September 2015

Jokes a part, a diminishing return playing on zerg would be fair

Sallington · September 2015

If you are farming in the districts, you have a MUCH better chance of getting ganked. It is much easier to sneak around undetected and gank stragglers.

If you are solo farming stones, stick to your factions sewers. It's much more difficult to get home for enemy players, and is much harder to get ganked due to the density of mobs.

SG_Celerrimus · September 2015

Sallington wrote: »

If you are farming in the districts, you have a MUCH better chance of getting ganked. It is much easier to sneak around undetected and gank stragglers.

If you are solo farming stones, stick to your factions sewers. It's much more difficult to get home for enemy players, and is much harder to get ganked due to the density of mobs.

I was in the second region of the Daggerfall sewers.

Personofsecrets · September 2015

Xendyn wrote: »

1. This is a pvp DLC, as has been stated many times. All future slated DLC we have heard about so far, such as Orsinium coming next is PvE. You have plenty coming.

2. Some very helpful tips to learn to IC
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212691/l2p-imperial-city-like-a-boss-tips-and-tricks/p1

As for "ruins the game", this game has always been about integrated pve and pvp. The grand scale of AvA was a huge selling point. Also, in case you hadn't noticed, the entire story revolves around the Alliance War and Molag Bal. IC is the next chapter. Not sure how you'd expect to recapture the city without a war.

This is a PVP and PVE update.