So the price of Treasure Maps is going to sky rocket...

ontheleftcoast · September 2015

I'd been saving my Treasure Maps for a while. You know, the ones that lead you to sometimes decent but all-too-often vendor trash laden containers that are next to impossible to spot except in the icy fields of Eastmarch. Those treasure maps. You can get Malachite Shards in those chests as well. I had 35 maps saved up so I decided to run them all and see what I got. I couldn't find the chest for the Craglorn V map but the other 34 I did find and scored 21 shards. That's a phenomenal 61.8% drop rate. Say I got lucky and it's only a 50% rate, that still means those maps are a 50-50 chance at scoring a shard. Twenty maps will probably be enough to get you a piece of glass crafting material.

Sure, in time the prices on the mats and thus the maps will settle down. But in the current frenzy to acquire enough malachite to craft sets of glass armor this is going to be a seller's market for maps... Have fun storming the kiosks!

Theosis · September 2015

don't worry they will nerf it

ontheleftcoast · September 2015

Theosis wrote: »

don't worry they will nerf it

That's pretty much their answer to everything "Grab the nerf hammer! It's easier than thinking about a viable solution!"

Liffy316 · September 2015

So what are the shards going for on the stores in pc? And the treasure maps? Which would be smarter to sell?

Sharee · September 2015

Theosis wrote: »

don't worry they will nerf it

I don't think so, considering the treasure maps themselves have a fairly low drop rate.

AngryNord · September 2015

Time to get the explorer pack I guess (or whatever it is it's called now)

Death_Prophet83 · September 2015

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

I'd been saving my Treasure Maps for a while. You know, the ones that lead you to sometimes decent but all-too-often vendor trash laden containers that are next to impossible to spot except in the icy fields of Eastmarch. Those treasure maps. You can get Malachite Shards in those chests as well. I had 35 maps saved up so I decided to run them all and see what I got. I couldn't find the chest for the Craglorn V map but the other 34 I did find and scored 21 shards. That's a phenomenal 61.8% drop rate. Say I got lucky and it's only a 50% rate, that still means those maps are a 50-50 chance at scoring a shard. Twenty maps will probably be enough to get you a piece of glass crafting material.

Sure, in time the prices on the mats and thus the maps will settle down. But in the current frenzy to acquire enough malachite to craft sets of glass armor this is going to be a seller's market for maps... Have fun storming the kiosks!

You've just figured this out? Most trade merchants figured this out the day it was posted in patch notes months ago. GG letting the lazy mass populace know.

JD2013 · September 2015

Had 5 treasure maps. Got 3 malachite shards.

Also saved my crafting writ clothier bag that I got the night before the patch and got a fragment of glass armour motif.

Septimus_Magna · September 2015

You will also need 10 Glass Motif pages and 25k gold to create a random chapter.

Sharee · September 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Time to get the explorer pack I guess (or whatever it is it's called now)

I'm not 100% sure, but i think i remember a dev post about the CE treasure maps not giving any malachite shards.

ontheleftcoast · September 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

You will also need 10 Glass Motif pages and 25k gold to create a random chapter.

Oh yeah, this is going to be an expensive and time consuming hobby. Or I could just wait a few months until ZOS puts the damn motif in the store for 5000 crowns.

Death_Prophet83 · September 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Time to get the explorer pack I guess (or whatever it is it's called now)

Don't, it's says clearly in the 2.1.4 patch notes that those do not give shards.

olsborg · September 2015

Decided to open the 3 t-chests I came upon while riding in cyrodiil. Out of the 3 chests in 1 of them was a malachite shard and the other one had a v14 martial knowledge pants. Pretty good loot if you ask me.

BuggeX · September 2015

200 wirts = 4 Fragments....

hrothbern · September 2015

In Craglorn I experience so far a drop rate of approx 20% on Random Treasure Chests
6 shards in aprox 30 chests.

ontheleftcoast · September 2015

20% is pretty good. Someone was telling me the rate was adjusted by chest difficulty. So Master chests would be more likely to have it than Simple chests. But given half of the chests you find are Simple they'll dominate the distribution. The nice things is treasure chests are everywhere. And even if the drop rate is 10% that's still going to yield multiple shards a day without much effort. Unlike Dwemer scrap which forces you to farm Dwemer ruins to find it.

Prof_Bawbag · September 2015

Theosis wrote: »

don't worry they will nerf it

To be fair, the players themselves do a good job in making the devs minds up on that front. Always, always a few "OMFG, THIS NEEDS NERFED!!!one1!!1" threads kicking around. Whether it be grinding, skills, attributes and so on. Nothing slips under the radar from those that blame everyone other than themselves for not being as good as the next person.

It will come to a point where playing the game becomes a chore and every skill will be a former shadow of itself. It's already happened more times than I've had hot dinners.

Cuyler · September 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Decided to open the 3 t-chests I came upon while riding in cyrodiil. Out of the 3 chests in 1 of them was a malachite shard and the other one had a v14 martial knowledge pants. Pretty good loot if you ask me.

Were you v14 when opening the chest? I'm wondering if martial scales from those....

Faulgor · September 2015

Malachite Shards are really not the bottleneck here.

Messy1 · September 2015

They better not nerf it. Treasure maps have been next to useless for so long that this gives them a purpose again. ZOS DO NOT NERF TREASURE MAPS!!!!

Flaminir · September 2015

Faulgor wrote: »

Malachite Shards are really not the bottleneck here.

THIS^

By the time any meaningful number of players have the motif these shards will be relatively common.

olsborg · September 2015

Cuyler wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Decided to open the 3 t-chests I came upon while riding in cyrodiil. Out of the 3 chests in 1 of them was a malachite shard and the other one had a v14 martial knowledge pants. Pretty good loot if you ask me.

Were you v14 when opening the chest? I'm wondering if martial scales from those....

Pretty sure it scales to the player who opens it, cyrodiil is now a v14 zone. I was v16.

Elsonso · September 2015

Sharee wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Time to get the explorer pack I guess (or whatever it is it's called now)

I'm not 100% sure, but i think i remember a dev post about the CE treasure maps not giving any malachite shards.

This is what they said, and the three CE treasure maps that I had tucked away from April 2014 did not result in any, so I believe them.

ontheleftcoast wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

You will also need 10 Glass Motif pages and 25k gold to create a random chapter.

Oh yeah, this is going to be an expensive and time consuming hobby. Or I could just wait a few months until ZOS puts the damn motif in the store for 5000 crowns.

I would not recommend that they put it in the Crown Store for a mere 5000 Crowns. Given the effort required for Glass compared to Dwemer, it would seem silly to have them even close to the same price.

I have to think that there is a limit to how much is someone going to pay for an all inclusive Motif. I sense reluctance, even if it saves them a couple years of work. I would charge no less than $200 (25000 Crowns), but I am going to guess that they will not do that.

vaagventje17eb17_ESO · September 2015

AngryNord wrote: »

Time to get the explorer pack I guess (or whatever it is it's called now)

The explorer maps dont give the stuff

Dagoth_Rac · September 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

200 wirts = 4 Fragments....

Recipe Fragments? Or Glass Motif page fragments? That sounds about right for Psijic Ambrosia fragments from Provisioning writs, but way off for Glass Motif page fragments from Blacksmith/Clothier/Woodworking writs. I think I have done 9 Blacksmith/Clothier/Woodworking since Imperial dropped and got 3 Glass Motif page fragments. Which is the same as the 3 Psijic Ambrosia recipe fragments I have found over the last 10 weeks. Maybe I just got really, really lucky with Glass Motif fragments? But I think it makes sense as you only need 7 pieces to get the full Psijic Ambrosia, whereas you need 150 pieces, at the least, to learn all the glass motifs. The glass fragments better drop at a decent rate!

Pangnirtung · September 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

You will also need 10 Glass Motif pages and 25k gold to create a random chapter.

This morning I already saw FOUR Glass Motif Chapters for sale at the guild vendors. LOL

Elsonso · September 2015

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

200 wirts = 4 Fragments....

Recipe Fragments? Or Glass Motif page fragments? That sounds about right for Psijic Ambrosia fragments from Provisioning writs, but way off for Glass Motif page fragments from Blacksmith/Clothier/Woodworking writs. I think I have done 9 Blacksmith/Clothier/Woodworking since Imperial dropped and got 3 Glass Motif page fragments. Which is the same as the 3 Psijic Ambrosia recipe fragments I have found over the last 10 weeks. Maybe I just got really, really lucky with Glass Motif fragments? But I think it makes sense as you only need 7 pieces to get the full Psijic Ambrosia, whereas you need 150 pieces, at the least, to learn all the glass motifs. The glass fragments better drop at a decent rate!

RNG. My experience lies between the two of you. I am seeing closer to a 10% return rate on max level writs.

Robbmrp · September 2015

Theosis wrote: »

don't worry they will nerf it

They weren't going to until you said the word....

Troneon · September 2015

Just to double check, the loot from treasure maps and CE maps definitely do not scale from the players level right?

Saucy_Jack · September 2015

Couple of things:

All treasure chest loot is scaled to the level of the area, except Cyrodiil, where it's scaled to the level of the player I believe.

CE maps give no shards.

All in all, I'd actually say the treasure map shard drop rate was given a nerf; I was keeping track of numbers for a long time on the PTS, and my treasure map chest shard drop rate was over 90%. So even if it's at 60%, while that seems huge, that's a big drop from my experience before.