It is what it is.

Yeah I just thought I'd bring it up since I see a lot of complaints about IC, from PvE'ers, when they're actually some of the strongest in PvP with their 'PvE gear'

Also, being good or strong in PvP doesn't necessarily mean the players wants to PvP.

Did you ever see the movie Quigley Down Under? If not <SPOILER ALERT>.
Early in the movie Tom Selleck's character tells Alan Rickman's that "he has no use for a six shooter". At the end Rickman's character thinks he has Selleck's beaten, and to show off challenges him to a duel with six shooters. Selleck blows him away and as Rickman is dying tells him "I said I had no use for a six shooter, not that I didn't know how to use one".

Hahah yeah I get your point to be honest.

And true.. almost forgot about CPs!!!

what I don't get is if you don't like pvp don't play it its simple. save money up and buy the new vet 16 gear from someone or have a guildie make some for you that does like pvp... people just don't make sense. they are all well they force me to do pvp for new gear but realistically no you can buy it from players or like I said get it crafted by a guildmate. not to mention yes they did a pvp expansion for the pvp players which in my experience is most mmo end game activities. however a pve dlc is also coming. pve only players feel more entitled to get content over pvp players for reasons unknown. me myself not a huge fan of pvp yet havnt really gotten into it. I stay with pve mostly but I think it is good to have new pvp activities instead of just cyrodiil. I mean the game itself is overwhelmingly pve cept cyrodiil now the pvp crowd can be happy in the new hovel "ic" and wont complain when more pve comes out. because they have their new content.

Lightninvash wrote: »

what I don't get is if you don't like pvp don't play it its simple. save money up and buy the new vet 16 gear from someone or have a guildie make some for you that does like pvp... people just don't make sense. they are all well they force me to do pvp for new gear but realistically no you can buy it from players or like I said get it crafted by a guildmate. not to mention yes they did a pvp expansion for the pvp players which in my experience is most mmo end game activities. however a pve dlc is also coming. pve only players feel more entitled to get content over pvp players for reasons unknown. me myself not a huge fan of pvp yet havnt really gotten into it. I stay with pve mostly but I think it is good to have new pvp activities instead of just cyrodiil. I mean the game itself is overwhelmingly pve cept cyrodiil now the pvp crowd can be happy in the new hovel "ic" and wont complain when more pve comes out. because they have their new content.

So what's with the binary logic then? I thought this was 2015 not 2005.

Shades of grey exist and being able to pvp anywhere just like being able to pve anywhere is just as valid 'if' the options were made to allow both/switching between the formats.

Ravici wrote: »

Shades of grey exist and being able to pvp anywhere just like being able to pve anywhere is just as valid 'if' the options were made to allow both/switching between the formats.

Makes perfect sense, for example PvP flag toggle ala WoW or some other mechanism that allows PvP'ers to go at each other anytime/anywhere and PvE'rs to go about their business unmolested.

There is one mechanic that would make all of this a nonissue.

We simply need a passive mode similar to GTA 5. It can be done however ZOS wants. Personally I think it would be best to only enable passive or active from inside keeps you own that are not under attack. If it is available to use at will (more similar to the GTA method) then it will get annoying and abused. Having a passive mode for someone wanting to enjoy an area of the game, without enjoying the setbacks that getting ganked causes would be ideal.

I can also see why this woud be a bad idea though. This would allow someone to go into passive mode and do scouting without the risk of death allowing people to monitor enemy positions and relaying back to compadres. An idea to fix to this would be to only allow people in PVP areas to speak with other passives or actives.

Too many complain about broken systems, but do not offer solutions.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

It really makes me laugh, because I've noticed that most PvE'ers, especially those who do the "hard" content, are actually some of the most lethal players in PvP.

They walk into Cyrodiil with their PvE Pledge/Trial gear and dominate most PvP'ers who only do PvP.

It's the other way around in my opinion. Most people I've played with who are excellent in PvP, know their class inside and out, as well as every other class since they need to counter them. This translates to them being excellent in PvE as well.

On the other hand, PvE content in ESO isn't exceptionally challenging, so you can get by without really fully understanding how to get the most out of your class.

Lightninvash wrote: »

Ravici wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

what I don't get is if you don't like pvp don't play it its simple. save money up and buy the new vet 16 gear from someone or have a guildie make some for you that does like pvp... people just don't make sense. they are all well they force me to do pvp for new gear but realistically no you can buy it from players or like I said get it crafted by a guildmate. not to mention yes they did a pvp expansion for the pvp players which in my experience is most mmo end game activities. however a pve dlc is also coming. pve only players feel more entitled to get content over pvp players for reasons unknown. me myself not a huge fan of pvp yet havnt really gotten into it. I stay with pve mostly but I think it is good to have new pvp activities instead of just cyrodiil. I mean the game itself is overwhelmingly pve cept cyrodiil now the pvp crowd can be happy in the new hovel "ic" and wont complain when more pve comes out. because they have their new content.

So what's with the binary logic then? I thought this was 2015 not 2005.

Shades of grey exist and being able to pvp anywhere just like being able to pve anywhere is just as valid 'if' the options were made to allow both/switching between the formats.

well it isn an option to switch and doubt it ever will be

mips_winnt wrote: »

Ravici wrote: »

Shades of grey exist and being able to pvp anywhere just like being able to pve anywhere is just as valid 'if' the options were made to allow both/switching between the formats.

Makes perfect sense, for example PvP flag toggle ala WoW or some other mechanism that allows PvP'ers to go at each other anytime/anywhere and PvE'rs to go about their business unmolested.

I doubt this will happen due to how many ppl could then see someone walking by in pvp mode toggle theirs in an instant and gank them as they are walking around. then turn it off and walk away. that and its alliance based for alliance based pvp I don't think the idea is to be able to o ganking your own alliance members but fighting other alliances to be the dominant alliance.

There's a simple solution to that problem - you can only set your PvP mode when outside Cyrodiil and Imperial City. Once inside those areas, that mode is set until you leave them. That way PvPers can do their content, PvEers can do their content, and there's no exploiting by instantly switching from one to the other and back again.

It would also result in more DLC purchases, as PvEers would have an incentive to purchase IC. By the same token, I would add some limited form of PvP content to Orsinium - an arena, perhaps - meaning the purchases of that DLC would also be maximised without the different playstyles coming into direct conflict with each other.

BucFanJKE wrote: »

There is one mechanic that would make all of this a nonissue.

We simply need a passive mode similar to GTA 5. It can be done however ZOS wants. Personally I think it would be best to only enable passive or active from inside keeps you own that are not under attack. If it is available to use at will (more similar to the GTA method) then it will get annoying and abused. Having a passive mode for someone wanting to enjoy an area of the game, without enjoying the setbacks that getting ganked causes would be ideal.

I can also see why this woud be a bad idea though. This would allow someone to go into passive mode and do scouting without the risk of death allowing people to monitor enemy positions and relaying back to compadres. An idea to fix to this would be to only allow people in PVP areas to speak with other passives or actives.

Too many complain about broken systems, but do not offer solutions.

I was reading the comment above this one and thought, wow, this would be abused as much as passive mode in GTA5. Then I read this post. Passive mode in GTA is ridiculous. Great you can't die. Good thing you can still bomb my car, get me thrown into the bad sport lobby for accidentally running you over, or allow you to block me into a store because your van is parked in front of the door.

As most things ... just be happy with what we have. The "solutions" to the "problems" are often way worse.

Tandor wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Ravici wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

what I don't get is if you don't like pvp don't play it its simple. save money up and buy the new vet 16 gear from someone or have a guildie make some for you that does like pvp... people just don't make sense. they are all well they force me to do pvp for new gear but realistically no you can buy it from players or like I said get it crafted by a guildmate. not to mention yes they did a pvp expansion for the pvp players which in my experience is most mmo end game activities. however a pve dlc is also coming. pve only players feel more entitled to get content over pvp players for reasons unknown. me myself not a huge fan of pvp yet havnt really gotten into it. I stay with pve mostly but I think it is good to have new pvp activities instead of just cyrodiil. I mean the game itself is overwhelmingly pve cept cyrodiil now the pvp crowd can be happy in the new hovel "ic" and wont complain when more pve comes out. because they have their new content.

So what's with the binary logic then? I thought this was 2015 not 2005.

Shades of grey exist and being able to pvp anywhere just like being able to pve anywhere is just as valid 'if' the options were made to allow both/switching between the formats.

well it isn an option to switch and doubt it ever will be

mips_winnt wrote: »

Ravici wrote: »

Shades of grey exist and being able to pvp anywhere just like being able to pve anywhere is just as valid 'if' the options were made to allow both/switching between the formats.

Makes perfect sense, for example PvP flag toggle ala WoW or some other mechanism that allows PvP'ers to go at each other anytime/anywhere and PvE'rs to go about their business unmolested.

I doubt this will happen due to how many ppl could then see someone walking by in pvp mode toggle theirs in an instant and gank them as they are walking around. then turn it off and walk away. that and its alliance based for alliance based pvp I don't think the idea is to be able to o ganking your own alliance members but fighting other alliances to be the dominant alliance.

There's a simple solution to that problem - you can only set your PvP mode when outside Cyrodiil and Imperial City. Once inside those areas, that mode is set until you leave them. That way PvPers can do their content, PvEers can do their content, and there's no exploiting by instantly switching from one to the other and back again.

It would also result in more DLC purchases, as PvEers would have an incentive to purchase IC. By the same token, I would add some limited form of PvP content to Orsinium - an arena, perhaps - meaning the purchases of that DLC would also be maximised without the different playstyles coming into direct conflict with each other.

so you are saying to allow ppl to switch pvp and pve on and off out side a pvp zone so when they please and walk up on someone still in pvp mode can switch and gank? great idea!! oh and super great idea for ic with the telvar stones if in pve you can just farm consequence free no risk. its kinda the point in ic to have the risk. ive played a game that allows the switch like that it was ok but wasn't because people would watch 2 ppl fight it out wait till low hp pop pvp mode nuke both and take the dropped items, in that game you would drop some things you had unless bound to your toon. would be gank fest all over lol

would especially be annoying in pvp when you run by someone expecting a fight since it is pvp and cant even attack them. now if you said something like make the caves and ect pve friendly thatd be ok because I wouldn't want to go in a cave to look for someone that may or may not be in there. make it pvp till the cave and once in pve. that would make it more challenging to reach the areas desired

I don't have a problem with PvP players getting IC. My issue is all of the PvP balance issues bleeding over and affecting PvE players. It needs to stop.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

It really makes me laugh, because I've noticed that most PvE'ers, especially those who do the "hard" content, are actually some of the most lethal players in PvP.

They walk into Cyrodiil with their PvE Pledge/Trial gear and dominate most PvP'ers who only do PvP.

Until they get farmed for AP/Telvar stones by the real PvPers.