DK Redguard skill lines

ChildOfLight
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Hello guyz, i am running a Redguard Dk actually lv 15. I am maxing only Stamina but my question is about skill lines to maximize. Actually i am giving points in all the three class skill trees and in One-Hand-and-Shield one. With this commitment i feel really fine. Yesterday I spent 2 points in the Two-Hands skill line and I am wondering if it's is worth. In your opinion is worth to take the Two-Hands line too? Any suggestions?
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Ross Campano - Imperial Dragonknight - Tanks and steals stuff from barrels
  • ChildOfLight
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    I forgot to say that i am running a full Heavy Armor set too. Is this ok? Should i take some Medium one piece?
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    Ross Campano - Imperial Dragonknight - Tanks and steals stuff from barrels
  • TheLastNabeel
    I have a Veteran Rank 3 Redguard DK who uses both one handed and two handed weapons. I also use heavy armor and am considered a tank when doing dungeons. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what you're doing because from personal experience the two handed skill tree increase your damage by a ton while the one handed provides you plenty of defense. It gives you a nice mixture of offense and defense which should be fine for you throughout the entire game. Yes you should definitely wear one piece of medium armor just to level up the skill line. I personally wear 5 pieces of heavy and 2 medium.
    Edited by TheLastNabeel on September 1, 2015 11:26AM
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  • ChildOfLight
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    Ok, thanks a lot for the advices! Plus, should I give points even in the MediumArmor skill tree as well as in the HeavyArmor one - wearing 2 pieces of medium armor like you- or not?
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    Ross Campano - Imperial Dragonknight - Tanks and steals stuff from barrels
  • EnOeZ
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    Ok, thanks a lot for the advices! Plus, should I give points even in the Medium Armor skill tree as well as in the HeavyArmor one - wearing 2 pieces of medium armor like you- or not?

    I run your setup Redguard, DK, Heavy 2H + S/B.
    I am VR14.

    I would have advised you to go medium if you want to PVP if we were still at update 6, however I have still to test the Imperial City Release to tell you what is the current status of weapon and armors.

    Accurate if you are on console (update 6):

    Balance depends on developers, we are not in the best (competivite) shape right now, but it can change with a change of dev or dev mindset. The nerf of stamina regen while blocking is an issue in PVP if you want to melee and keep fighting in frontlines (ZOS does not support that playstyle and favor escape mechanisms, range and busters).

    If PVP is your concern, do it in the PVE way for best results with a group and a templar healer (for stamina regen also via ult generation).

    Hope it helps.
  • ChildOfLight
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    I did read some of the threads you linked. What i have understood is that HeavyArmor is basically not as good as the Medium or the Light one. So, what your suggest is to wear a Medium one and maximize the respective skill tree, right?
    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Ok, thanks a lot for the advices! Plus, should I give points even in the Medium Armor skill tree as well as in the HeavyArmor one - wearing 2 pieces of medium armor like you- or not?

    I run your setup Redguard, DK, Heavy 2H + S/B.
    I am VR14.

    I would have advised you to go medium if you want to PVP if we were still at update 6, however I have still to test the Imperial City Release to tell you what is the current status of weapon and armors.

    Accurate if you are on console (update 6):

    Balance depends on developers, we are not in the best (competivite) shape right now, but it can change with a change of dev or dev mindset. The nerf of stamina regen while blocking is an issue in PVP if you want to melee and keep fighting in frontlines (ZOS does not support that playstyle and favor escape mechanisms, range and busters).

    If PVP is your concern, do it in the PVE way for best results with a group and a templar healer (for stamina regen also via ult generation).

    Hope it helps.

    I did read some of the threads you linked. What i have understood is that HeavyArmor is basically not as good as the Medium or the Light one. So, what your suggest is to wear a Medium one and maximize the respective skill tree, right?
    PC EU

    Ross Campano - Imperial Dragonknight - Tanks and steals stuff from barrels
  • tiamak
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    Since you're going for a stamina based build, as it seems, you basically have the options to become a tank or dish out the pain. If you're up for the former, wear at least 5 pieces of heavy armor. If you feel more like doin the latter, 5 pieces of medium armor is good advice. However, you should (and can) ignore the things I just said as long as you're levelling, especially as long as you're below veteran rank 1. In that phase, you should wear 3/2/2 pieces of armor with the extra one being medium or heavy, depending on the role you're aiming to fill. That way, all your armor skill lines level up, and later you can choose what to wear and cherrypick from the passives.

    Concerning class skill lines: I suggest that you have at least one skill from each of the three skill lines on each of your skill bars. That way, those skill lines will level up evenly. Sure, there will be some skills that you rarely ever use. But it's great to be able to choose from a set of fully levelled class skills later in your character's progression.

    And the same could be said with respect to weapon skills: Decide for two that you want to use and try to keep at least one skill on each of your skill bars. Once it is ready to morph, either do so or switch it for some other skill from that skill line. That way, you'll have three or even four weapon skill lines to choose from when you're in the lower veteran ranks. Sword and board on one bar and two handed or dual wield on the other does sound like a solid choice to me. Once you're done with blades, give bows a chance, and you'll be prepared for most setups later.

    Whether you stick with only one weapon on both bars or switch between two later in your character's life is totally up to you and the role you want to fill. Still, it will be more comfortable to have a choice here. Play around with different setups! It's not like you can do anything wrong. All that could happen is that you need to start levelling some other weapon from scratch. When I started my DK, I first went for two handed only. Then, I added bows. Later, I gave sword and board a try. It felt awkward at the beginning, but I quickly got used to it. And finally, already being in the lower veteran ranks, I switched to dual wield.

    Personally, levelling a NB, I keep two skills from dual wield line plus one skill from each class skill line on my first bar and two skills from bow plus, again, one skill from each class skill line on my second bar. I wear 2 pieces of heavy, 3 pieces of medium, and 2 pieces of light armor.
    Edited by tiamak on September 1, 2015 12:46PM
  • hardcore_gmr
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    EnOeZ wrote: »
    Ok, thanks a lot for the advices! Plus, should I give points even in the Medium Armor skill tree as well as in the HeavyArmor one - wearing 2 pieces of medium armor like you- or not?

    I run your setup Redguard, DK, Heavy 2H + S/B.
    I am VR14.

    I would have advised you to go medium if you want to PVP if we were still at update 6, however I have still to test the Imperial City Release to tell you what is the current status of weapon and armors.

    Accurate if you are on console (update 6):

    Balance depends on developers, we are not in the best (competivite) shape right now, but it can change with a change of dev or dev mindset. The nerf of stamina regen while blocking is an issue in PVP if you want to melee and keep fighting in frontlines (ZOS does not support that playstyle and favor escape mechanisms, range and busters).

    If PVP is your concern, do it in the PVE way for best results with a group and a templar healer (for stamina regen also via ult generation).

    Hope it helps.

    The stamina regen on block nerf is not necessarily all doom and gloom imo. You can still get stamina from other sources, potions, passives, etc. The nerf effectively prevents players from turtling up and simply block casting spells and animation canceling attacks through block. It prevents tank players from getting into 1vx situations with the intent to block through incoming damage while dishing out lots of it. Now players have to actively block block when being attacked and drop block when they think safe to allow regen to commence. It does expose you yes but it prevents an abuse of the block mechanic to make it so that you cannot take full damage on incoming attacks. The stam regen on block is very similar to the roll dodge increase in that it does not impact gameplay unless it is your design to abuse the system and with a slight change in playstyle you are still capable of your 1.6 rotations except that you are not going to be almost immune to incoming damage.

  • TheLastNabeel
    Heavy armor is not bad it's main purpose is just different from medium. Medium provides more damage while heavy allows you to block more damage.
    "Those who cannot be artists become critics instead."
  • EnOeZ
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    Heavy armor is not bad it's main purpose is just different from medium. Medium provides more damage while heavy allows you to block more damage.

    You will not find Heavy Armor bad if
    • you do not push it,
    • you stick with the zerg (individual skill does not count that much is that PVP format),
    • you use magicka (the penalty of awful resource management is lessen opposed to stamina)
    • and/or you are a casu.

    If you are aiming top PVP ranks and fights, 1vX, solo roaming, it is just subpar - heavily.

    I have yet to test IC update however.
    Edited by EnOeZ on September 1, 2015 7:08PM
  • ChildOfLight
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    I am learning so much. So i wish to thank everyone who joined and will join the thread and the discussion. Thanks very much.

    Edited by ChildOfLight on September 2, 2015 6:09AM
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    Ross Campano - Imperial Dragonknight - Tanks and steals stuff from barrels
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