I think the surprise was when they gave thundering presence the speed buff and double damage for the first few tics.

The surprise is a lie...

this post is funny.....there is no santa! no presents for you!

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

The surprise is that ZOS doesn't understand how stamina builds work and took an important utility skills (which should be a magicka dump) and made it into a lackluster DPS.

But sorcerers still lack spammable class based stam DPS and some sort of stam return mechanic like all other classes have.

I have to agree with this. What good is a 20% stamina regen passive, when all regen passives just got nerfed, LOL? My stamina regen is just as bad as it was before!

I have read a lot of posts and threads.
The best suggestion thus far has been from @Xael hands down. I have seen his streams and his videos and I know for a fact he is a good Stamina Sorc. In fact out of all the people who have been talking Stamina Sorcs only Xael and Fengrush seem to be PvP stamina Sorcerers and know their stuff. Both are very good at what they do.

I take no credit for this ( @Xael idea):

"Again, coming from someone that PvPs regularly on a Stamina Sorc (in the current v2.1 meta) all we need is Stamina morph of Crystal Blast that mirrors the Frag morph. This will also make use of the Dark Magic passives, something most Stam Sorc lack.

Crystal Blast:
(Crystal Blast Rank IV)
Cost - 2268 Stamina | Cast Time - 1s | Radius/Range 28m range (Enemy)

Conjure dark crystals to bombard an enemy, dealing [x] Magic Damage and knocking them down for 2 seconds.
Casting other spells & abilities has a 35% chance of causing your next Crystal Fragments to be instant, doing 20% more damage, and costing 50% less Stamina.
Chance to make ability instant cast.
Now scales off Weapon Damage and Max Stamina.

Also a redesign to the Exploitation (Dark Magic) passive:
Rank I
Activating a Dark Magic ability grants Minor Prophecy & Savagery to nearby allies, increasing Spell & Weapon Critical by [x] for 10 seconds.
Dark Magic Rank 39

Rank II
Activating a Dark Magic ability grants Minor Prophecy & Savagery to nearby allies, increasing Spell & Weapon Critical by [x] for 20 seconds.
Dark Magic Rank 50

Problem solved, Stam Sorcs now awesome. "

I remember him saying something on his stream about these proposed melee attacks, that we already use Wrecking Blow and get Empower from it. Thus adding another "melee" morph to Blast would be pointless, let alone inferior. He further explained (by demonstrating through BwB using frags with stam build) that you can cloak your frag proc through a Critical Rush. On impact from Crit Rush you loose your frag which gives you time to get your WB off in which case you follow up with a med/Execute weave for the "gg." This was one of the many examples shown. Dude really knows his stuff. @Xael feel free to chime in if I misquoted you.