Console: Should text chat be implemented with the IC patch?

cerrudo33 · August 2015

Yes

@SmuRf

Except for the scale of said requests, you CAN make the argument that the example you gave is apples to apples but in essence it's not and an example of earlier posts from Ace about seemingly always having something to say but not saying much at all ...

I have yet to see anyone ask in a topic with ANY traction about animation changes for skills, I don't think I've ever even seen one on the forums. Your trying to pull anecdotal evidence and examples to prove your point yet they are come rely out of left field, regardless of the fact that technically you are right. This is arguing for an added feature.

But let's be real here, in an MMO is communication considered a feature or a requirement of the game? I'd say communication is part of the core game and a feature (core feature) where as animation is aesthetics, not nearly on the same level of importance.

I digress though, if your going to try and win this features argument please find a closer analogy then "animation for my knife attack" because you have attempted to be helpful (not met well) but this is one of those posts (has been others) that make people want to disregard every counter argument you have due to the previous comment

Eriquito3 · August 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

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Jaronking wrote: »

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bareheiny wrote: »

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Asherons_Call wrote: »

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Lucio wrote: »

every MMO has chat do not understand why they have not put on console they have made a porting without addons, it is unplayable also given the ability to link accounts ps4 to PC and play with the same subscription as it does FF14

It's not a port ZOS made the Console version from the ground up so it would not feel like a port get your fact straight.

Also why don't you all make a new thread ask for it in the next Patch.The Imperial City patch is already done and just waiting for approval by this point. If they stop the Console Version Release I promise you a lot more players will leave then those you all say will leave because of the lack of text chat.

The premise still remains that text chat should have been on console.

Also what they did for the game is called platform localization. It means ZOS reworked the way players interact with the UI to better support controller input. This happens with most games going from PC to console and vica versa. Remaking it from the ground up would mean they didn't reuse anything from art assets to voice acting. That is clearly not the case. They also bothered heavily from Skyrim's UI, so more than likely those elements were recycled and touched up, rather then newly made.

Also note that through use of basic remapping programs PC can, even with out direct developer support, use a controller to play.

Just to comment on the text chat and UI pieces...

I don't understand why many feel that text chat "should" be on console and don't follow the logic of "keyboard use with a controller" on consoles. The added dialogue from ZOS on the subject for two occasions gave perspectives and reasons why their teams create the presentation that we have today. I've still not seen a logic based comment on why it "should have been included". There are lots of opinions of why and those tend to stem from prior game experiences, this on PC and or someone else's possible handicap. What is your "reason" it should have been included?

The reference to them not remaking the game from the ground up....
-The console versions in regards to the user experiences and what is seen on the screen are per ZOS crafted from the ground up....and then re-done during the 12+ month delays. Just because they chose to use some existing data doesn't exclude the reality that the console versions were built from the ground up. Development for all three was going on at the same time through many different teams. All teams pulled and excluded work for teams for their projects for the platforms they were assigned to.

You don't have to use keyboard on controller. A free or used 2 dollar keyboard from goodwill works perfect on console.you should try it it is amazing.

In context a human cannot use both a controller and a keyboard simultaneously.
-even with keypads, your functions move from controlling a character to typing
-Using a controller and a keyboard makes its more awkward and complex

For these realities...why do people feel text chat "should" have been launched with consoles?

Who is going to try to use a controller and a keyboard at the same time? Anyone that thinks they can type and move their character around at the same time deserves to be frustrated, because the notion is just dumb. You use the controller when you are moving around and doing things. You type on a keyboard when you don't need to move around. Simple.

I don't know about you, but I am quite capable of using a controller for playing and a keyboard for typing. Been doing that with my PC for years. It's not a new concept at all.

You still have not used any good reason why optional text chat should not be added to consoles. Your convenient voice chat isn't going anywhere, so why is it an issue for you if others choose to use a keyboard to communicate with others? These people already cannot communicate with you so it should really make no difference to you one way or another.

- You will not be forced to use a keyboard or to text chat.

- You will not be forced to see a text window if you choose not to.

It's like you want to force people to use voice chat or be left out of the community completely. Many reasons have already been given why some people can't use voice chat. If these people cannot communicate with others in the game, then ESO is nothing but a single player experience that will become stale quickly.

look above the comment I'm quoting. I replied to another user.

I see many are implying practical use of a feature without the reality of the limitation of use on console.

Also please understand as I've said many times...you're aren't arguing against me.
My stance just happens to fall with what exists in-game today and what was marketed all along for console by ZOS...NEVER did they present a text chat box for consoles in any video or interview publicly. There is a Playstation post where someone from ZOS was coming from a position of lacking factual and up to date information that seemingly has confused the PlayStation console community...sorry if you were a part of that which was cleared up months ago.

My opinion and points of view are not your obstacle. I've tried to involve those who do want text chat or some other form of communication on consoles to create an argument to ZOS that isn't along the lines of something they've decided against int he past.

"I see many are implying the practical use of a feature without the reality of the limitation of use on console"

What limitations? I've been using my keyboard on PS4 and PS3 for several years now.

One example is where people are saying what you are...
You're only typing on a keyboard but (in this game) you nor can anyone else type and play with a keyboard on console for this game.
-Its not practical to offer a method of communication via keyboard or keypad on console without the opportunity to play and type. Its not practical to play and then lay down the controller and pick up a keyboard to type and then go back to picking up the controller.

Another example is where some are suggesting to add a text box onto the screen.
-while there could be options to enable and disaable the box, there is no practical way to manage the window.
Yes you could use the keyboard to start typing and stop/send but that's a very poor experience.

The benefits on PC are using both mouse and keyboard with left and right clicks to link items, reply, whisper, open menu's manage the box during gameplay, change colors, highlight, copy n paste, scrolls up and down.

None of these functions are practical and even through discussion no one has been able to offer a practical way of doing this so we moved to discussing the idea within a social menu as to enable much of the controller as options to each obstacle identified.
Then some notable users began bashing the idea saying if its got to be just like PC and not within a menu. It pushed those away who do want the feature who are open to alternative ideas to get great experiences and functionality.

Both FF:ARR and DCUO would disprove your comment about practicality of console controllers and keyboards and window management.

You know this argument makes no sense right the Devs of those two games are not the same.Just because they did it doesnt meam it's a good design.Also IMO its not really as functional as the PC version.

I would like to add something again before I go back to respond to poster who was kind enough to respond to me and give me information I didn't have before. I would again recommend making a new thread because if they do add it and it push the IC patch back even more you will *** a lot of console PVPers off.Especially since this is mainly a PVE player need. Yes it can help out PVP to but most PVPers will be in voice chat while in groups anyway.I think you all should create a new thread because PVPers will leave.Trust me I talked to them and asked they hate to be treated like second class citizens and that's happening with the patch being released two weeks after PC.Also we aren't able to test it out on consoles either.

Also I agree with the person who said you can have it on your screen but to type in it you have to go to the social menu to use it so no one makes a mistake while using a controller and jump into the box while in PVP or during a Trial.So o think you all should discuss a way for it to work and not just say it worked for this game so it will work here.When all games are created and DNA are different.

They are action based console mmos.... you know... just like eso....

So his argument makes perfect sense. And yours is void as a dead mans bowels.

Yes I know I played both plus ESO.You are basically made at COD because their knifes Kills are not like Battlefield. Their both shooters on consoles so why don't they have the same knife kills animation.The reason ESO doesn't have it is because the Devs are different and so they decided to not do the same thing as those two MMO. So sir when you can make a real argument please comeback.

Thats a horrible example. Absolutely horrible.

We arent discussing similar combat moves in genres. We are discussing communication, something that eso lacks.

Try again.

Everyone is discussing a feature. That example is a feature just as text chat is a game feature. The feature is a form of communication when in context to text chat boxes but for a visual feature it's still something seen on a screen.

Then discuss a feature that has relevance to the conversation. Combat and communication via text is not the same thing.

Your argument is invalid.

A feature is a feature...while the topic is about adding a feature for text chat in context any feature example is suitable for discussion on features in this game.

Their example has relevance because it's a feature that changes what's seen and how a player "enjoys" the game specifically due to a feature. The point they're making is your desire for a text chat box is no different from another players desire for a specific animation.

When you step away and look at the topic for what it is vs what you want it makes perfect sense as an example to this thread.

Different features affect the game different ways. Complaining about how a knife animation looks is completely different from asking for a text chat that will increase effective communication across the whole game.

One only affects the way something looks, the other affects affects how people group up, talk, ask for help, trade, guild recruitment ect.

You are comparing things that are not compareable. Get it right.

Perspective:
You're complaining about another way to communicate when one already exists but it's not to your liking.
The knife example is exactly the same...complaining about a feature when it already exists but different than the person desires.

It's a feature....try and see other perspectives other than just your argument.
The outcomes and affects impact each person differently but everyone has desires that may make or break the game for them

You fail to see how the example holds no bearing on the discussion. It was just a detraction to attempt to minimize the issue at hand, the very same thing you do in some posts, but I obliterated both of your reasoning by stating facts.

Combat animation is a smaller issue than having horrible and restrictive communication in a game. Hence the reason why it was a HORRIBLE example.

Vulsahdaal · August 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Perspective:
You're complaining about another way to communicate when one already exists but it's not to your liking.
The knife example is exactly the same...complaining about a feature when it already exists but different than the person desires.

Again, for many its not a matter of liking one form more than another. The issue is that zone chat does NOT exist. Not in voice, or any other form for that matter.
Placing something into game that is needed in order to accomplish things, and is something that should exist, but doesnt, is really not the same thing as changing something thats purely visual, such as a knife kill animation, and has no real effect on gameplay.

TequilaFire · September 2015

No

Endless loop.

You guys still at it?
I leveled a VR14 on PS4 in this time. lol

Disclaimer My no vote was for not rushing text chat into IC, not against text chat.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

cerrudo33 wrote: »

@SmuRf

Except for the scale of said requests, you CAN make the argument that the example you gave is apples to apples but in essence it's not and an example of earlier posts from Ace about seemingly always having something to say but not saying much at all ...

I have yet to see anyone ask in a topic with ANY traction about animation changes for skills, I don't think I've ever even seen one on the forums. Your trying to pull anecdotal evidence and examples to prove your point yet they are come rely out of left field, regardless of the fact that technically you are right. This is arguing for an added feature.

But let's be real here, in an MMO is communication considered a feature or a requirement of the game? I'd say communication is part of the core game and a feature (core feature) where as animation is aesthetics, not nearly on the same level of importance.

I digress though, if your going to try and win this features argument please find a closer analogy then "animation for my knife attack" because you have attempted to be helpful (not met well) but this is one of those posts (has been others) that make people want to disregard every counter argument you have due to the previous comment

MMO = a type of server for an online game measure by a certain amount of players.
Communication- is a feature that some developers choose to add into any game MMO or not.
Requirements for a MMO are : being able to control a character, connecting online and tool tips

In context current technology and hardware affords so many viable options for a developer to incorporate features but regardless of game type or genre and platform a feature is a feature.

To be fair I believe that some level of communication due to current technology "should" be apart of any online game but we aren't developers. The choices they make and presentations they choose to offer is more related to the developer decisions

Please understand this....it's not an argument against anyone having text chat on consoles. ZOS is not polling anyone whether or not to add it. Another gamer is polling. Also ZOS decided to scrap text chat in early console development rather than any player or forum input.

Anyone including myself who vote no or who may question anyone who votes yes has absolutely no impact on whether you or anyone else gets this feature. I'm not trying to win any argument but I am attempting to get you guys to think about your argument. ZOS has decided not to offer the feature and your response to ZOS is in opposition.

Your burden is to create a viable argument or opportunities for some form of feature changes to either resolve your issues that leave you desiring text chat OR to find a way to make a proposal that ZOS will read and consider.

Just remember it's not us against them.

Vulsahdaal · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
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On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

dday3six · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

MMO = a type of server for an online game measure by a certain amount of players.
Communication- is a feature that some developers choose to add into any game MMO or not.
Requirements for a MMO are : being able to control a character, connecting online and tool tips

By that definement nearly all online games are MMOs. That not true. Persistent World State is the theme you missed, and that is the widely considered connective substance of all MMOs.

Masuimi · September 2015

Text chat for console is a good idea. There are WAY TOO MANY limitations without having text chat.

Buying Selling
Finding a group
Coordinating pvp
Getting people to join group chat channel

Sure these have work-a-rounds... but do u know how freaking hard it is to talk in Mournhold or other popular cities?
You literally have to tell people to STFU for a second, so people can hear what you're saying.
You're forced to be a *** just so your message is heard.
It's not a good thing.

Do you know how hard it is to get someone to join group chat when they don't auto join it? You can send them mail (nope this player does not exist), or u can message them on xbox live (nope this gamertag is unavailable). And even if these 2 options work.. it still takes u 3-4 minutes just to send a message and is a huge pain in the ass. Grouping should not feel like a chore!!!

Text chat on console would be much different. It wouldn't be spammy and fast-paced like it is on PC. People would type a message and it would sit. "Group looking for x/y/z" and its in the chat log for a bit because its not so spammy.

Damn... most people are for text chat on console, but its a few of you with your strong anti-text chat opinion that are going to ruin it for the masses.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

dday3six · September 2015

Yes

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

Likely they put down the controller to type, and pick it up again as needed.

bareheiny · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time

) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a

emote?

mrskinskull · September 2015

No

Masuimi wrote: »

Text chat for console is a good idea. There are WAY TOO MANY limitations without having text chat.

Buying Selling
Finding a group
Coordinating pvp
Getting people to join group chat channel

Sure these have work-a-rounds... but do u know how freaking hard it is to talk in Mournhold or other popular cities?
You literally have to tell people to STFU for a second, so people can hear what you're saying.
You're forced to be a *** just so your message is heard.
It's not a good thing.

Do you know how hard it is to get someone to join group chat when they don't auto join it? You can send them mail (nope this player does not exist), or u can message them on xbox live (nope this gamertag is unavailable). And even if these 2 options work.. it still takes u 3-4 minutes just to send a message and is a huge pain in the ass. Grouping should not feel like a chore!!!

Text chat on console would be much different. It wouldn't be spammy and fast-paced like it is on PC. People would type a message and it would sit. "Group looking for x/y/z" and its in the chat log for a bit because its not so spammy.

Damn... most people are for text chat on console, but its a few of you with your strong anti-text chat opinion that are going to ruin it for the masses.

You must mean the masses who are playing the game right now, instead of the vocal minority here in the forums.
Honestly even if you rolled the PC votes in to this poll, you still have a drop in the bucket compared to the actual population.

And no this is not representative, as most happy players never even bother with the forums.
More stable voice chat is all we really need.
Text chat is a feature. Just a option.
And its a redundant one at that. The devs said no.
The core of the community seems open to the new kind of mmo, one tailor made for the console.

This thread is long for one reason.

The pro text guys love to type.

Long winded arguments spanning several paragraphs and usually full of caustic insults.

Why would anyone want that brought to the console experience?

Read a few messages at random and think that right now, you might have common cause with the rudenes, but in text chat the same people whose rudeness you cheer and applaud, might be directed at you. Or at new casual players.

The nicest guy in here is smurf. All the text guys seem to be chomping at the bit to spread the spite.

Let's keep our community happy and just pass on the text chat.

bareheiny · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

You must mean the masses who are playing the game right now, instead of the vocal minority here in the forums.
Honestly even if you rolled the PC votes in to this poll, you still have a drop in the bucket compared to the actual population.

And no this is not representative, as most happy players never even bother with the forums.

How many people play a game and never even bother with forums because it doesn't occur to them to visit?

To flip your argument on it's head, how many people on the forums actively advocating for more stable voice or some sort of app? Compare that to the masses who are playing the game right now....

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time ) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a emote?

I don't think you're reading and comprehending this as it's written.
In option 1 I'm literally placing the controller down and going mouse/keyboard as you'd die or allow group members to die as a healer (I'm a healer)

Option 2 the controller and keypad are being used together just like option 1 but without a mouse and keyboard.

Loosing validity?
-If the controller on console could do what a keyboard does on PC or if a Consoles allowed full keyboard play then I could see it loosing validity but the issue is the lack buttons

Eriquito3 · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

Masuimi wrote: »

Text chat for console is a good idea. There are WAY TOO MANY limitations without having text chat.

Buying Selling
Finding a group
Coordinating pvp
Getting people to join group chat channel

Sure these have work-a-rounds... but do u know how freaking hard it is to talk in Mournhold or other popular cities?
You literally have to tell people to STFU for a second, so people can hear what you're saying.
You're forced to be a *** just so your message is heard.
It's not a good thing.

Do you know how hard it is to get someone to join group chat when they don't auto join it? You can send them mail (nope this player does not exist), or u can message them on xbox live (nope this gamertag is unavailable). And even if these 2 options work.. it still takes u 3-4 minutes just to send a message and is a huge pain in the ass. Grouping should not feel like a chore!!!

Text chat on console would be much different. It wouldn't be spammy and fast-paced like it is on PC. People would type a message and it would sit. "Group looking for x/y/z" and its in the chat log for a bit because its not so spammy.

Damn... most people are for text chat on console, but its a few of you with your strong anti-text chat opinion that are going to ruin it for the masses.

You must mean the masses who are playing the game right now, instead of the vocal minority here in the forums.
Honestly even if you rolled the PC votes in to this poll, you still have a drop in the bucket compared to the actual population.

And no this is not representative, as most happy players never even bother with the forums.
More stable voice chat is all we really need.
Text chat is a feature. Just a option.
And its a redundant one at that. The devs said no.
The core of the community seems open to the new kind of mmo, one tailor made for the console.

This thread is long for one reason.

The pro text guys love to type.

Long winded arguments spanning several paragraphs and usually full of caustic insults.

Why would anyone want that brought to the console experience?

Read a few messages at random and think that right now, you might have common cause with the rudenes, but in text chat the same people whose rudeness you cheer and applaud, might be directed at you. Or at new casual players.

The nicest guy in here is smurf. All the text guys seem to be chomping at the bit to spread the spite.

Let's keep our community happy and just pass on the text chat.

I disagree with all this because it is nothing more than biased emotional bable with no facts nor substance aupporting the b matter. Henceforth makingnthis comment irrelevant to this dicussion.

It has been thoroughly proven that text chat is needed and wanted by the majority of the community and will only improvebthe game.

It does not help your cause when you ignore facts.

Violynne · September 2015

No

Two reasons I voted no:

1) Currently, there isn't a controller keyboard for the XBox One. I know one is coming, but I do not know if it'll be compatible with the new high end controller also coming out.

2) Text sucks. I understand many don't have mics, and that's fine, but if I'm going to be in a group, the last thing I'm going to do is spend time scrolling through letters to send a message. It's annoying and if Microsoft has anything to say about texting through its service, this means that idiotic 1/3 screen-filling text window.

Thanks, but no thanks.

bareheiny · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time ) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a emote?

I don't think you're reading and comprehending this as it's written.
In option 1 I'm literally placing the controller down and going mouse/keyboard as you'd die or allow group members to die as a healer (I'm a healer)

Option 2 the controller and keypad are being used together just like option 1 but without a mouse and keyboard.

Loosing validity?
-If the controller on console could do what a keyboard does on PC or if a Consoles allowed full keyboard play then I could see it loosing validity but the issue is the lack buttons

How so? Unless you can move and attack with a single hand, you still lose something by using a keyboard for text and movement.

With the controller-keyboard plugin, you have the same thing....although due to button placement and such, you can still block and use weapon attacks.

As mentioned, the controller-keyboard isn't my thing.....but for the younger generation who grew up with texting on phones etc, it could do the trick.

I'll be over in the corner putting my controller down, picking up my keyboard and typing, then reversing the process. And odds are pretty good you wouldn't notice much.

Eriquito3 · September 2015

Yes

Violynne wrote: »

Two reasons I voted no:

1) Currently, there isn't a controller keyboard for the XBox One. I know one is coming, but I do not know if it'll be compatible with the new high end controller also coming out.

2) Text sucks. I understand many don't have mics, and that's fine, but if I'm going to be in a group, the last thing I'm going to do is spend time scrolling through letters to send a message. It's annoying and if Microsoft has anything to say about texting through its service, this means that idiotic 1/3 screen-filling text window.

Thanks, but no thanks.

1. There is already a chat pad out for xbone, look it up on ebay or amazon.

2. False.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time ) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a emote?

I don't think you're reading and comprehending this as it's written.
In option 1 I'm literally placing the controller down and going mouse/keyboard as you'd die or allow group members to die as a healer (I'm a healer)

Option 2 the controller and keypad are being used together just like option 1 but without a mouse and keyboard.

Loosing validity?
-If the controller on console could do what a keyboard does on PC or if a Consoles allowed full keyboard play then I could see it loosing validity but the issue is the lack buttons

How so? Unless you can move and attack with a single hand, you still lose something by using a keyboard for text and movement.

With the controller-keyboard plugin, you have the same thing....although due to button placement and such, you can still block and use weapon attacks.

As mentioned, the controller-keyboard isn't my thing.....but for the younger generation who grew up with texting on phones etc, it could do the trick.

I'll be over in the corner putting my controller down, picking up my keyboard and typing, then reversing the process. And odds are pretty good you wouldn't notice much.

Have you played on PC?

You can move and attack with a mouse alone so one hand literally can heal and attack if you decided to while typing. Especially with Pinnacle on a controller

Chieve · September 2015

Yes

You know, not be a double but....why is a PC player participating in this thread and trying so hard to convince us console players to just give up on text chat when the PC version of this game has text chat?

Does she not understand how annoying it is to not have text chat?

Also I'm referring to you @NewBlacksmurf I'm sure you wouldn't like text chat to be taken away from PC.

dday3six · September 2015

Yes

mrskinskull wrote: »

Masuimi wrote: »

Text chat for console is a good idea. There are WAY TOO MANY limitations without having text chat.

Buying Selling
Finding a group
Coordinating pvp
Getting people to join group chat channel

Sure these have work-a-rounds... but do u know how freaking hard it is to talk in Mournhold or other popular cities?
You literally have to tell people to STFU for a second, so people can hear what you're saying.
You're forced to be a *** just so your message is heard.
It's not a good thing.

Do you know how hard it is to get someone to join group chat when they don't auto join it? You can send them mail (nope this player does not exist), or u can message them on xbox live (nope this gamertag is unavailable). And even if these 2 options work.. it still takes u 3-4 minutes just to send a message and is a huge pain in the ass. Grouping should not feel like a chore!!!

Text chat on console would be much different. It wouldn't be spammy and fast-paced like it is on PC. People would type a message and it would sit. "Group looking for x/y/z" and its in the chat log for a bit because its not so spammy.

Damn... most people are for text chat on console, but its a few of you with your strong anti-text chat opinion that are going to ruin it for the masses.

You must mean the masses who are playing the game right now, instead of the vocal minority here in the forums.
Honestly even if you rolled the PC votes in to this poll, you still have a drop in the bucket compared to the actual population.

And no this is not representative, as most happy players never even bother with the forums.
More stable voice chat is all we really need.
Text chat is a feature. Just a option.
And its a redundant one at that. The devs said no.
The core of the community seems open to the new kind of mmo, one tailor made for the console.

This thread is long for one reason.

The pro text guys love to type.

Long winded arguments spanning several paragraphs and usually full of caustic insults.

Why would anyone want that brought to the console experience?

Read a few messages at random and think that right now, you might have common cause with the rudenes, but in text chat the same people whose rudeness you cheer and applaud, might be directed at you. Or at new casual players.

The nicest guy in here is smurf. All the text guys seem to be chomping at the bit to spread the spite.

Let's keep our community happy and just pass on the text chat.

So there is no rudeness in voice chat? There are not hours and hours of video of players showing the continual crass nature of voice chat? Really now?

Also reduntant you say?

"...I'll give you an example. If I am in a guild with 45 people other than myself online, and I am looking for a team to run a trial. I'd need 11 other people. However of those 45 online only 5 of them are in guild chat. Now how am I suppose to communicate with the other 40 in a more streamlined way than being able to type in guild text chat "LFG trial group, need 11. I'm X role". Should I message them all individually? Randomly invite them to a group, hoping they are not busy or already grouped? Voice Chat only does not provide an efficient means to tackle this issue, and text chat does."

That is from a previous post of mine. How if text chat would solve that situation in a more efficient manner than voice chat is text chat reduntant exactly?

Eriquito3 · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time ) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a emote?

I don't think you're reading and comprehending this as it's written.
In option 1 I'm literally placing the controller down and going mouse/keyboard as you'd die or allow group members to die as a healer (I'm a healer)

Option 2 the controller and keypad are being used together just like option 1 but without a mouse and keyboard.

Loosing validity?
-If the controller on console could do what a keyboard does on PC or if a Consoles allowed full keyboard play then I could see it loosing validity but the issue is the lack buttons

How so? Unless you can move and attack with a single hand, you still lose something by using a keyboard for text and movement.

With the controller-keyboard plugin, you have the same thing....although due to button placement and such, you can still block and use weapon attacks.

As mentioned, the controller-keyboard isn't my thing.....but for the younger generation who grew up with texting on phones etc, it could do the trick.

I'll be over in the corner putting my controller down, picking up my keyboard and typing, then reversing the process. And odds are pretty good you wouldn't notice much.

Have you played on PC?

You can move and attack with a mouse alone so one hand literally can heal and attack if you decided to while typing. Especially with Pinnacle on a controller

I am fairly certain you cantbtype and attack at the same time on console. I might be wrong its been awhile since I played it on pc, but I am pretty sure once you enter text you wont be able to move your character and the mouse cursor becomes visable.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

Chieve wrote: »

You no, not be a double but....why is a PC player participating in this thread and trying so hard to convince us console players to just give up on text chat when the PC version of this game has text chat?

Does she not understand how annoying it is to not have text chat?

Also I'm referring to you @NewBlacksmurf I'm sure you wouldn't like text chat to be taken away from PC.

Please go back and read before jumping to conclusions that are invalid.
My background.
I played in 2013 closed beta on PC and on PC launch
I play now on Xbox one 95% and 5% on PC PTS only

I also turn off text chat unless grouped on PC even prior to console release. To me text chat is as annoying as voice chat is to others.

Different strokes for different folks. PC is for text chat and console is for voice chat based on ZOS designs and decisions. PC offers all tho via third party options.

If I wanted to talk to ppl I'd play with the guild via voice chat using third party software outside the game and played with pinnacle and xpadder using a controller.

bareheiny · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time ) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a emote?

I don't think you're reading and comprehending this as it's written.
In option 1 I'm literally placing the controller down and going mouse/keyboard as you'd die or allow group members to die as a healer (I'm a healer)

Option 2 the controller and keypad are being used together just like option 1 but without a mouse and keyboard.

Loosing validity?
-If the controller on console could do what a keyboard does on PC or if a Consoles allowed full keyboard play then I could see it loosing validity but the issue is the lack buttons

How so? Unless you can move and attack with a single hand, you still lose something by using a keyboard for text and movement.

With the controller-keyboard plugin, you have the same thing....although due to button placement and such, you can still block and use weapon attacks.

As mentioned, the controller-keyboard isn't my thing.....but for the younger generation who grew up with texting on phones etc, it could do the trick.

I'll be over in the corner putting my controller down, picking up my keyboard and typing, then reversing the process. And odds are pretty good you wouldn't notice much.

Have you played on PC?

You can move and attack with a mouse alone so one hand literally can heal and attack if you decided to while typing. Especially with Pinnacle on a controller

Good grief no....there's a reason I'm a consoler!

I have to say the thought of playing with one hand and trying to peck out a message with the other sends shivers up my spine.

In saying that, I'd never be typing mid combat...that doesn't even remotely sound like a good idea.

Using DCUO as an example, we'd use text for most everything. Any relevant combat mechanics would be outlined before the fight....definitely not during. And if you have to pick up a keyboard to ask for more power, healing or to call the tank a noob....well, there are other issues at play really.

Voice chat definitely has it's place....as does text chat.

Chieve · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Chieve wrote: »

You no, not be a double but....why is a PC player participating in this thread and trying so hard to convince us console players to just give up on text chat when the PC version of this game has text chat?

Does she not understand how annoying it is to not have text chat?

Also I'm referring to you @NewBlacksmurf I'm sure you wouldn't like text chat to be taken away from PC.

Please go back and read before jumping to conclusions that are invalid.
My background.
I played in 2013 closed beta on PC and on PC launch
I play now on Xbox one 95% and 5% on PC PTS only

I also turn off text chat unless grouped on PC even prior to console release. To me text chat is as annoying as voice chat is to others.

Different strokes for different folks. PC is for text chat and console is for voice chat based on ZOS designs and decisions. PC offers all tho via third party options.

If I wanted to talk to ppl I'd play with the guild via voice chat using third party software outside the game and played with pinnacle and xpadder using a controller.

Ah alright my bad, kept on setting reference to PC.

Tholian1 · September 2015

Yes

bareheiny wrote: »

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

Text chat is so cumbersome. I just wish there was voice chat on the PC at least.

Get back to us when you realize the true horror of what you're asking for (open mics...barking dogs, "music", insults, people talking over one another trying to get their voice heard).

Just wanted to add... An epidemic of smoke detectors chirping for new batteries... to your list.

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time ) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a emote?

I don't think you're reading and comprehending this as it's written.
In option 1 I'm literally placing the controller down and going mouse/keyboard as you'd die or allow group members to die as a healer (I'm a healer)

Option 2 the controller and keypad are being used together just like option 1 but without a mouse and keyboard.

Loosing validity?
-If the controller on console could do what a keyboard does on PC or if a Consoles allowed full keyboard play then I could see it loosing validity but the issue is the lack buttons

How so? Unless you can move and attack with a single hand, you still lose something by using a keyboard for text and movement.

With the controller-keyboard plugin, you have the same thing....although due to button placement and such, you can still block and use weapon attacks.

As mentioned, the controller-keyboard isn't my thing.....but for the younger generation who grew up with texting on phones etc, it could do the trick.

I'll be over in the corner putting my controller down, picking up my keyboard and typing, then reversing the process. And odds are pretty good you wouldn't notice much.

Have you played on PC?

You can move and attack with a mouse alone so one hand literally can heal and attack if you decided to while typing. Especially with Pinnacle on a controller

Good grief no....there's a reason I'm a consoler!

I have to say the thought of playing with one hand and trying to peck out a message with the other sends shivers up my spine.

In saying that, I'd never be typing mid combat...that doesn't even remotely sound like a good idea.

Using DCUO as an example, we'd use text for most everything. Any relevant combat mechanics would be outlined before the fight....definitely not during. And if you have to pick up a keyboard to ask for more power, healing or to call the tank a noob....well, there are other issues at play really.

Voice chat definitely has it's place....as does text chat.

I'm guessing only very special people even play that way. I'm not even sure how it is possible to play with one hand while typing a message with the other.

Jaronking · September 2015

No

dday3six wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Masuimi wrote: »

Text chat for console is a good idea. There are WAY TOO MANY limitations without having text chat.

Buying Selling
Finding a group
Coordinating pvp
Getting people to join group chat channel

Sure these have work-a-rounds... but do u know how freaking hard it is to talk in Mournhold or other popular cities?
You literally have to tell people to STFU for a second, so people can hear what you're saying.
You're forced to be a *** just so your message is heard.
It's not a good thing.

Do you know how hard it is to get someone to join group chat when they don't auto join it? You can send them mail (nope this player does not exist), or u can message them on xbox live (nope this gamertag is unavailable). And even if these 2 options work.. it still takes u 3-4 minutes just to send a message and is a huge pain in the ass. Grouping should not feel like a chore!!!

Text chat on console would be much different. It wouldn't be spammy and fast-paced like it is on PC. People would type a message and it would sit. "Group looking for x/y/z" and its in the chat log for a bit because its not so spammy.

Damn... most people are for text chat on console, but its a few of you with your strong anti-text chat opinion that are going to ruin it for the masses.

You must mean the masses who are playing the game right now, instead of the vocal minority here in the forums.
Honestly even if you rolled the PC votes in to this poll, you still have a drop in the bucket compared to the actual population.

And no this is not representative, as most happy players never even bother with the forums.
More stable voice chat is all we really need.
Text chat is a feature. Just a option.
And its a redundant one at that. The devs said no.
The core of the community seems open to the new kind of mmo, one tailor made for the console.

This thread is long for one reason.

The pro text guys love to type.

Long winded arguments spanning several paragraphs and usually full of caustic insults.

Why would anyone want that brought to the console experience?

Read a few messages at random and think that right now, you might have common cause with the rudenes, but in text chat the same people whose rudeness you cheer and applaud, might be directed at you. Or at new casual players.

The nicest guy in here is smurf. All the text guys seem to be chomping at the bit to spread the spite.

Let's keep our community happy and just pass on the text chat.

So there is no rudeness in voice chat? There are not hours and hours of video of players showing the continual crass nature of voice chat? Really now?

Also reduntant you say?

"...I'll give you an example. If I am in a guild with 45 people other than myself online, and I am looking for a team to run a trial. I'd need 11 other people. However of those 45 online only 5 of them are in guild chat. Now how am I suppose to communicate with the other 40 in a more streamlined way than being able to type in guild text chat "LFG trial group, need 11. I'm X role". Should I message them all individually? Randomly invite them to a group, hoping they are not busy or already grouped? Voice Chat only does not provide an efficient means to tackle this issue, and text chat does."

That is from a previous post of mine. How if text chat would solve that situation in a more efficient manner than voice chat is text chat reduntant exactly?

What would you do if they don't use Text chat and prefer voice?Another thing what of they just don't want to talk to anyone and play Solo.Text chat won't help with that either.Just saying not trying to start a argument.

NewBlacksmurf · September 2015

No

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
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On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time ) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a emote?

I don't think you're reading and comprehending this as it's written.
In option 1 I'm literally placing the controller down and going mouse/keyboard as you'd die or allow group members to die as a healer (I'm a healer)

Option 2 the controller and keypad are being used together just like option 1 but without a mouse and keyboard.

Loosing validity?
-If the controller on console could do what a keyboard does on PC or if a Consoles allowed full keyboard play then I could see it loosing validity but the issue is the lack buttons

How so? Unless you can move and attack with a single hand, you still lose something by using a keyboard for text and movement.

With the controller-keyboard plugin, you have the same thing....although due to button placement and such, you can still block and use weapon attacks.

As mentioned, the controller-keyboard isn't my thing.....but for the younger generation who grew up with texting on phones etc, it could do the trick.

I'll be over in the corner putting my controller down, picking up my keyboard and typing, then reversing the process. And odds are pretty good you wouldn't notice much.

Have you played on PC?

You can move and attack with a mouse alone so one hand literally can heal and attack if you decided to while typing. Especially with Pinnacle on a controller

Good grief no....there's a reason I'm a consoler!

I have to say the thought of playing with one hand and trying to peck out a message with the other sends shivers up my spine.

In saying that, I'd never be typing mid combat...that doesn't even remotely sound like a good idea.

Using DCUO as an example, we'd use text for most everything. Any relevant combat mechanics would be outlined before the fight....definitely not during. And if you have to pick up a keyboard to ask for more power, healing or to call the tank a noob....well, there are other issues at play really.

Voice chat definitely has it's place....as does text chat.

Lol. Your response made me chuckle. God no...

I agree text chat has its place for sure so in the topic a couple of participants began thinking around a text chat box or menu within the social or any quick access menu.

I personally wouldn't want to type out mechanics nor do I want to wait for someone else to and then read it.
We just talk while we play just like I did in DAoC, Everquest, WoW, Linegae 2, LoTRO, Warhammer, etc.

When faced with a choice voice is much faster. I think the irritating part is in towns when ppl are just standing around so in context having casual ways to type out of combat may be ideal for others. Just not me so I'm only opposed to having a text box on my screen or a box on my UI. If ZOS were to place it in the quick menu like how we hit menu or menu and Y (triangle on PS4) and scroll to the recent interactions or stay on the main voice chat that's a menu that needs a lot of improvement anyway so building in a functional way to communicate there which could involve text and voice seems reasonable. We discussed and realized the controller is pretty full soto have a good functioning text chat window without sacrificing in-game controls seems like a good fit. Heck even make it optional to pop out for ppl who want it

I'd prefer it not be a zone text but use the same radius as voice but other than that I'm all for some people having the option so as long as it's not on the main UI

Eriquito3 · September 2015

Yes

Jaronking wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Masuimi wrote: »

Text chat for console is a good idea. There are WAY TOO MANY limitations without having text chat.

Buying Selling
Finding a group
Coordinating pvp
Getting people to join group chat channel

Sure these have work-a-rounds... but do u know how freaking hard it is to talk in Mournhold or other popular cities?
You literally have to tell people to STFU for a second, so people can hear what you're saying.
You're forced to be a *** just so your message is heard.
It's not a good thing.

Do you know how hard it is to get someone to join group chat when they don't auto join it? You can send them mail (nope this player does not exist), or u can message them on xbox live (nope this gamertag is unavailable). And even if these 2 options work.. it still takes u 3-4 minutes just to send a message and is a huge pain in the ass. Grouping should not feel like a chore!!!

Text chat on console would be much different. It wouldn't be spammy and fast-paced like it is on PC. People would type a message and it would sit. "Group looking for x/y/z" and its in the chat log for a bit because its not so spammy.

Damn... most people are for text chat on console, but its a few of you with your strong anti-text chat opinion that are going to ruin it for the masses.

You must mean the masses who are playing the game right now, instead of the vocal minority here in the forums.
Honestly even if you rolled the PC votes in to this poll, you still have a drop in the bucket compared to the actual population.

And no this is not representative, as most happy players never even bother with the forums.
More stable voice chat is all we really need.
Text chat is a feature. Just a option.
And its a redundant one at that. The devs said no.
The core of the community seems open to the new kind of mmo, one tailor made for the console.

This thread is long for one reason.

The pro text guys love to type.

Long winded arguments spanning several paragraphs and usually full of caustic insults.

Why would anyone want that brought to the console experience?

Read a few messages at random and think that right now, you might have common cause with the rudenes, but in text chat the same people whose rudeness you cheer and applaud, might be directed at you. Or at new casual players.

The nicest guy in here is smurf. All the text guys seem to be chomping at the bit to spread the spite.

Let's keep our community happy and just pass on the text chat.

So there is no rudeness in voice chat? There are not hours and hours of video of players showing the continual crass nature of voice chat? Really now?

Also reduntant you say?

"...I'll give you an example. If I am in a guild with 45 people other than myself online, and I am looking for a team to run a trial. I'd need 11 other people. However of those 45 online only 5 of them are in guild chat. Now how am I suppose to communicate with the other 40 in a more streamlined way than being able to type in guild text chat "LFG trial group, need 11. I'm X role". Should I message them all individually? Randomly invite them to a group, hoping they are not busy or already grouped? Voice Chat only does not provide an efficient means to tackle this issue, and text chat does."

That is from a previous post of mine. How if text chat would solve that situation in a more efficient manner than voice chat is text chat reduntant exactly?

What would you do if they don't use Text chat and prefer voice?Another thing what of they just don't want to talk to anyone and play Solo.Text chat won't help with that either.Just saying not trying to start a argument.

If they dont use text chat.... then they dont use it....if someone wants to play solo...then they will play solo....

People intentionally cutting off comunication is not a good enough reason to not implement text chat....lol your comment made no sense... lol

Eriquito3 · September 2015

Yes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

bareheiny wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ON PC when I use a controller I have the options to type AND PLay because the keyboard is in my hand whereas on console, if I'm typing I cannot play.

Ok I just have to ask..How do you use the controller, if the keyboard is in your hand?
Doesnt the controller require 2 hands on it to play? If the keyboard is already in one hand, by my count you dont have enough hands left to continue playing while you type?

Scroll up. It was answered there...
....
On PC you can actually play with the keyboard as it functions as a controller. Console does not offer this option and is not fully possible

Keyboard can probably function as many things, but this nothing to do with it. I know my English is not the best, so let me try again.
You claim you play on PC with a controller. Correct?
You also claim when on PC and while using a controller, you can type AND play at the same time (see above quote) because you also have a keyboard in hand. Correct?
Forget about consoles and their options for a moment, and talking strictly PC only- How do you use a controller to play while at the same time typing on a keyboard?

I play on a controller using Pinnacle Profiler and an Xbox 360/Xbox One controller that is wired to my PC.
My PC is an ASUS gaming republic laptop to being as USB cords aren't but so long I'm sitting at the keyboard.

Option1: (2013)
If I need to type the keyboard is there and the mouse is always there so while typing using the keyboard on PC I can continue playing. The next break I pick back up the controller.

The convenience here that's very important is that the keyboard on PC is actually a controller.
The controller peripherial is only an extension of the keyboard and mouse so the cursor and functions are enabled by Pinnacle Profiler to use the controller as a keyboard and mouse simultaneously.

It's a drastic difference from the actual controls on console but hopefully it answers your question.
The keyboard that I'm using to communicate with in the PC UI is setup in a way to allow a user to type and play simultaneously because the keyboard is the controller and the controller is the keyboard.

Option 2:(late 2014 to current)
I purchased a Xbox one keypad that works on PC's that now enables me to use the controller as a mouse and keyboard along with using the keypad as a controller and keyboard with controller use as the mouse.

I touch type (reasonably fast I like to think) due to my profession.

Honestly, it'd be quicker and more efficient for me to put my controller down, type a message and then pick my controller back up - compared to trying to type and move my character at the same time.

With the new (for Xbone....the far, far superior PS4 has had that option for some time ) controller keyboard plugins, you wouldn't need to put your controller down....use your thumbs to type.

Not my ideal option...but then I do prefer a full-size keyboard.

Still...it's becoming more and more apparent that the "using a keyboard impractical for consolers" argument is losing any validity it had.

unrelated - why on earth is there a emote?

I don't think you're reading and comprehending this as it's written.
In option 1 I'm literally placing the controller down and going mouse/keyboard as you'd die or allow group members to die as a healer (I'm a healer)

Option 2 the controller and keypad are being used together just like option 1 but without a mouse and keyboard.

Loosing validity?
-If the controller on console could do what a keyboard does on PC or if a Consoles allowed full keyboard play then I could see it loosing validity but the issue is the lack buttons

How so? Unless you can move and attack with a single hand, you still lose something by using a keyboard for text and movement.

With the controller-keyboard plugin, you have the same thing....although due to button placement and such, you can still block and use weapon attacks.

As mentioned, the controller-keyboard isn't my thing.....but for the younger generation who grew up with texting on phones etc, it could do the trick.

I'll be over in the corner putting my controller down, picking up my keyboard and typing, then reversing the process. And odds are pretty good you wouldn't notice much.

Have you played on PC?

You can move and attack with a mouse alone so one hand literally can heal and attack if you decided to while typing. Especially with Pinnacle on a controller

Good grief no....there's a reason I'm a consoler!

I have to say the thought of playing with one hand and trying to peck out a message with the other sends shivers up my spine.

In saying that, I'd never be typing mid combat...that doesn't even remotely sound like a good idea.

Using DCUO as an example, we'd use text for most everything. Any relevant combat mechanics would be outlined before the fight....definitely not during. And if you have to pick up a keyboard to ask for more power, healing or to call the tank a noob....well, there are other issues at play really.

Voice chat definitely has it's place....as does text chat.

Lol. Your response made me chuckle. God no...

I agree text chat has its place for sure so in the topic a couple of participants began thinking around a text chat box or menu within the social or any quick access menu.

I personally wouldn't want to type out mechanics nor do I want to wait for someone else to and then read it.
We just talk while we play just like I did in DAoC, Everquest, WoW, Linegae 2, LoTRO, Warhammer, etc.

When faced with a choice voice is much faster. I think the irritating part is in towns when ppl are just standing around so in context having casual ways to type out of combat may be ideal for others. Just not me so I'm only opposed to having a text box on my screen or a box on my UI. If ZOS were to place it in the quick menu like how we hit menu or menu and Y (triangle on PS4) and scroll to the recent interactions or stay on the main voice chat that's a menu that needs a lot of improvement anyway so building in a functional way to communicate there which could involve text and voice seems reasonable. We discussed and realized the controller is pretty full soto have a good functioning text chat window without sacrificing in-game controls seems like a good fit. Heck even make it optional to pop out for ppl who want it

I'd prefer it not be a zone text but use the same radius as voice but other than that I'm all for some people having the option so as long as it's not on the main UI

Just because you perfer one way doesnt mean everyone perfers that same way.

You must be extremely new to mmos because people commujicate boss and dungeon mechanics with text chat all the time....and guess what.... it only takes a few seconds to read it....

And believe it or not, sometime text chat is more effective during boss battles.... People who actually played mmos will know this.(this includes consoles mmos also)