Sounds more like an L2P issue to me. I have a magicka Templar that absolutely does extremely well in solo or group play. You really just need to spend more time in game figuring out a build/rotation instead of QQ'ing on the forums. I've come across many good Templars who were not worth the effort to try and kill because their build was that good.

AfkNinja wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Wasn't a case of that templar playing better, he was likely making a sammich with one hand while just standing there tanking and nearly killing 2 players, insta healing back to max all the time. Is that skill? Sure, maybe he/she/it was CP deep, it's possible. Skill is being outmaneuvered, not WB and insta heal spamming while standing still.

I don't have the experience of having played a TEMPLAR yet, but I will... I will no doubt focus on a MAGICKA build however.

I think other classes suffer from "critical" skills not having an either or morph for stamina OR magicka. It's a common problem, that tends to limit variations in builds. Looking at it, I don't know what anyone would go with a STAMPLAR build? An NB for instance has NO stamina heal as well (not really a heal at all frankly). You want healing as an NB?... you have to go RESTO staff. By comparison a magicka NB is an "off build" that doesn't have the burst of a ST NB. Things may look up when VIGOR goes to 5, or balance might go out the window.. At least STAMINA builds will have a heal option.

IMHO, most of the classes should offer proper options for a ST or MG build in terms of morphs, other wise we end up with cookie cutters based on the current patch benefits.

Stamina Templar is not likely to stand there spaming magicka heals as their Magicka pool is pitiful and so are the heals. Are you sure he wasn't using Vigor and Rally? Vigor and Rally together are pretty beastly but those are available to everyone. So is Wrecking Blow. From what you describe sounds like he was build to tank...tankyness helps to survive but makes it hard to kill anyone. Also keep in mind he might have been using buffs you couldn't see due to animation canceling etc., it is possible he just out played you.

I swear I saw him doing the praying hands thing, which refilled his bar completely, even as I was beating on him/her/it. Coulda been a combo I guess. WB nearly killed me soo many times, I was lucky I had health potions slotted and could run and heal, I felt bad for my buddy when I had to run away and get cover. I guess i got off lucky if he was just tanky and not built for dmg.

It would be interesting if this game ever got a portal so you could look at a players builds (ie. ME3 MP).

Vatter wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

imma just leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R38mNgOTH6M

1. his blazing shield is now worthless in pvp. its now only 15% max health for 6 seconds.
2. he's using the mace + sharpened armor penetration bug. also fixed in IC
3. the nirn he's using also reduced.
4. doesn't show how many cp points he has
5. I'd be very interested to see how many mundus stone buffs he has.

I highly doubt we will ever see a video again from this guy using this build is IC.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209652/why-templar-is-the-worst-designed-class-in-eso-long

highly doubt we'll ever see a templar again, poor templars.

I don't play one but when i see one in pvp it's pretty much a free kill, yes they may panic heal and out heal my dps but they'll run out eventually, though i really should get a disease enchant.

Next patch the the Radiant destruction nerf...and blazing shield etc... makes magicka templars healers only.

Stamina overall is taking a bit hit so i feel sry for them as well.

Kammakazi wrote: »

imma just leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R38mNgOTH6M

Looks like a very good player, and i don't have that much PvP experience with stamina build Templars. Mostly i played magica based. I would be interest in how much CP he have, that is one stat that seems to make folks godlike similar to this fellow. Not trying to take credit from him, just looking to compare.
Overall it seems, that stamina based templars are more viable for small scale PvP? At least that's my impression reading the posts.
But still, if my concerns were just l2p, than most folks would not have agreed to the points. I sure can improve a lot in my game play, but that does not mean that some of the game mechanics are severely broken.

The player in the video plays uses abilities on both bars, that seem to work well. It would be great if other templar abilities would work just as good, so i can choose my "poison" instead of: "hey that dude used these skill in the video, i should use the same ones too"

To the OP: That wall of text would have defended Poland in 1939. Paragraphs and spaces are your friends.

DKs are your preferred opponents because you don't care if they flap and they aren't craven NBs and Sorcs who go *poof* the moment they sense a little danger.

I won't comment on stamina templars as I never tried them. I don't know how weapons/medium armor synergize with the class (though I suspect good enough).

As a magicka templar, it's not easy to kill an opponent that does not make a mistake as your best attack skills leave you vulnerable to counters and you lack mobility to pursue any advantage you gain Vs. sorcs and NBs. Frustrating, yet you have very good abilities to take advantage of your opponents mistakes that will prompt them to whine on the forums rather than take an honest look at why they lost.

L2P????

Biting jabs rarely kills anyone, the templar kill spam with the Jesus beam is also misleading, it works well on people about to die....

That said, a templar has options, if you sacrifice pure dps for some survivability then you are pretty powerful.

If you want to see someone who really shows how the templar kicks arse, then look no further than Abraxus Exile.

Also as a rebuttal to what was said earlier by a couple of people. Templar has always had the 'Knightly' aspect to it. Its not just a healer class, not by theme at least. In the launch screen for instance the fact you load up in Heavy armor as an example of what you will be tells you what they devs were suggesting. Balanced Warrior, the Aedric Spear skill line, all scream warrior. The real problem is that everything the Templar has is more or less getting undermined again and again. I look forward to being proven wrong, but I really suspect the class is getting gutted with 1.7/IC and they're going to have to really rethink everything from the class passives to many of the Actives.

Some people just play some builds better than others... Depends on their playstyle.

Templars aren't weakest it depends on how you build it and play. also if you don't know how to play tour class in pvp it wont be good no matter what you pick. just find the combos that work for you and not for everyone else

AfkNinja wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Templars aren't weakest it depends on how you build it and play. also if you don't know how to play tour class in pvp it wont be good no matter what you pick. just find the combos that work for you and not for everyone else

So what your saying is that ALL of the career Templars on this forum that are pointing out bugs, broken skills, broken passives and overall useless skills are wrong.... And you are right.... TEMPLAR IS FINE GUYS, IGNORE ALL THE BROKEN STUFF.

I never said things aren't broken. l2r(learn to read). I said they are not the worst pvp class they would indeed be better if they didn't have such wrong things. however if you know how to play ,l2p, a Templar you do just fine in pvp. yes some classes have it easier but it is manageable.

Edit: you know what they say about assuming

Jules wrote: »

Can't even get beyond the first line. Templars are plenty viable in pvp, both magicka and stamina builds. The class has solid group utility, self/group heals, gap closer, damage, and cc. Please just reevaluate your build before generalizing the entire class.

I am curious if you even read the OP, or ANY of the dozens of other Templar threads posted recently in multiple sections of the forums. Do you play Templar? Have you used all of the Templar skills? Have you compared them to similar skills in other class tree's?

"Templar's are plenty viable in pvp, both magicka and stamina builds."

You think Templar is fine. Both builds, despite the fact that in every single poll conducted on these boards Templar is considered the weakest class.

"The class has solid group utility, self/group heals, gap closer, damage, and cc."

Not every Templar wants to group up and be a heal bot. Templar should be like the other classes in that you can spec as a Healer, DPS or Tank. Currently for PVP we are very limited in our options. Several of our skills are functionally worthless, these include Blazing Shield (Too weak), Eclipse (Non-functional if target has CC immunity), Backlash (capped dmg, can't crit).

Several Templar passives are counter intuitive such as the Dawns Wrath passive which increases length of skills (this lowers the dps of those skills), Aedric Spear passive Balanced Warrior only adds weapon damage, no passive resource regeneration (Restoring aura is the same effect as potions and does not stack, the morph also requires body's to get stamina back.)

Templar also has no aoe CC, we only have single target CC and Biting Jabs which gives CC immunity to everyone.

We have no escape, leading us to use Vampire for resources and escape but accepting a dmg penalty to get it.

To get any mp sustain at all we have to use Rune Focus and recast it every 8ish seconds.


"Please just reevaluate your build before generalizing the entire class."

Here you basically tell us "L2P" which is a cop out. The OP already pointed out he has tried MULTIPLE builds including the ones posted online in videos.

You don't want to take the time to actually look at our skills and compare them, instead you think "I have seen Templars do fine" even tho you are not taking in to account the person you are saying is fine is likely compensating for his build with non-Templar skills.

PLEASE, do me a favor. Compare the skills to other class skills, that's it. Having a few heals should not mean every other skill we get should be nerfed and weaker than every other class. We should not be forced to be Stamina Templar and spam 1-2 skills to compete. Btw Stamina Templar has exactly 3 morphs it can use of the Templar skills, just 3. One, Binding Javelin, is a very weak dmg knockdown skill with 3s stun (There are better stuns in the weapon tree's). Two, Power of the Light, most don't even use cause it has a dmg cap and cannot crit. Three, Biting Jabs, this is a great skill except for the fact it hands out CC immunity like candy.

It's not just me, or the OP. There are Dozens/hundreds/thousands of us having issues, pointing out flaws and broken skills. Stop coming into our threads and telling us to L2P when you haven't even played the class or experienced the issues.

More threads with Templar's pointing out our flaws(I can dig up even more if you want):

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/202407/thats-it-for-templars#latest
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/209652/why-templar-is-the-worst-designed-class-in-eso-long#latest

Hey fellows, am i saying Bulls.... if i say that i allmost use my bow in PVP as a templar?

Lol waiting for answers

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

Templar is fine ~ Its only that out of 12 slotted abilities, only 2-3 are your own class.

Lol. Please stop the sinking.