Is Templars where intended to be the weakest class in PvP?
It should have been in the tool tip when i created the character, that templars are the least viable class in pvp. Seriously, lets compare a magica templar with other classes.
When i fight a Sorc, well, they permanently blink away, and have infinite shields, and since they class shield scales with SP/Magica they have more shield than HP. And by the time i would actually, somehow lay some dmg on them, i get killed in less than 2 seconds with 5 heavy nirned armor on. That's balanced right?
Let's look at the NBs, they simply appear from nowhere, and you HP is at 10% with 5 piece of heavy, and a sword and board.... If you manage to somehow break free from the stun, and try to roll dodge, well, they can still hit you, and they just fear you, despite that you just spent your stamina on breaking free and you have a buff for a few seconds that leads you to believe that you are "immune" to crowd control effects, noo, you you are feared, and guess what, the NB is stealth again and jumping on you again. If somehow miraculously i am still alive and try to fight back, well, they roll dodge permanently every single projectile i shoot at them, Spear Shards? 90% useless in pvp, by the time the spears hit the ground your target is on the other side of Cyrodill sipping tea... beam? yea it works if there was 5 other allies around you somehow inflicted enough dmg on him. But wait they just cloak out of it. And you never see them again, until they back to full resources and coming to gank you again.
My favorite , DKs, they reflect every single projectile you shooting them with, the have infinite regeneration of hp, and bunch of armors and skill to stay alive, that they just leap on you, and if that did not kill you, well than the glitch (thanks ZOS) fall dmg for 70k will sure finish the job.
Of course not every player, of every of the above classes manage to pull all of that off. But the last couple of weeks i spent in cyrodill assured me that the class of my choice is lacking of couple of things in PvP, and i really lost my patience to it.
I have tried almost all the skills i have access to, all kind of different gear configurations, spent several hundreds of gold to buy/craft gear, and the end of the day, i keep realizing over and over that the class is extremely insufficient in pvp.
I do not have infinite shields to cast, or blink through the entire map, i can't disappear at will and hit like a truck, i have no skills that hit for 15-20k, I don't have armor skills that makes me immortal unless 10 other players keep damaging the same DK, since they seem to be always have stamina just to block everything.
Let's see what i have.
I have the yellow beam, yes, awesome skill, given that your opponent is under 50% hp, and far away from you, but hey, it is something right.
I have dark flare, that takes 1 sec to cast, by that time a sorc blinked away, and probably casted his shields 5 times by than. The NB rolled away few times, and DKs... they are nice enough to stay put for a bit so i can hit them with the flare, just to see it bounce back and hit me.... It does hit nice tho... the 10% of the time when it actually lands...
Spear shards... it would be such a great ability... it promise you to stun or disorient... it is a moderate aoe dmg, sounds all nice and dandy, except you can make yourself some coffe by the time it hits the ground from the time you cast it And we all know that other players are nice enough to stay in one place in pvp for you to hit them... Right?
Reflective light... It would slow them, and increase my crit, i swear i thought it is actually usefull. and it is, if i go with a glass canon all cloth, SP/Magica build, but good luck surviving in that. If not, well, it sure tickles your opponents, but at least you live a little longer, so you can provide more entertainment value to any other classes.
Sun Shields... Ohhh lovely shields, almost as good as sorc shields *chuckles* lets see to have a 9k shield, i need 30k hp, ohh yes since it scales with your HP, and Magica/Stamina points are not that important... and it they almost as efficient as sorc shields Right? wrong, try to cast it as many time as asorc does and see who has magica left to actually do dmg.
Breath Of Life, ohh yes, it is my savior, it lets me live 5 seconds more doing absolutely no damage...
Puncturing sweep, the do great dmg, it knock your opponent back and all that, it even heals you for a tiny bit, great, it is actually a somewhat useful skill, too bad that if you try to cast it for the second time you are already dead... your sorc target binked away, your NB target has rolled back to the nearest starbucks, and your DK target has had great chuckles while you where breaking sweat to cast of those jabs.
Don't get me wrong all those skills did a really good dmg when i had cloth armor, and SP/Magica focused build, and no one was looking, than i did absolutely good dmg, only issue was, that any dps class even breath on me, i died. In less than 0.5 sec, before i hit a button. Than i tried 5 heavy armor, farmed nirn, and i do live a tad bit longer, i can survive for several seconds more, but my dmg, is dropped by a ridiculous amount. All the guide videos on the net seems like to point out that over 500 CP any templar can kill random pugs, thats great, i cant wait to get there. I have not seen one guild that displays an on par competition between a decent sorc and a decent templar, or a decent NB vs a decent templar.
There is couple of things i seen working tho, templar that goes to mist for over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, they seem to live longer than i am. Than they die. Unless they fight absolute morons. Stam templars that try to be cool, roll dodging like NBs, they seem to get by good, the join a zerg and steel tornado to glory, gg, i am sure that's talent. But than forget about all your magica based abilities.
Yeah, i am pretty upset now, after trying soo many different things, invest time and money to attempt to be competitive outside of running in big groups and think i am just as cool. As soon as it is small scale, i cant get away, cant tank the dmg, and sure cant out heal it. So you are welcome for the AP, i am done with PvP for a while. And just hope that sometime in the future ZOS will fix my favorite class, because i am sure i wont roll an other class, i like playing templar, it is just very ineffective in small scale pvp. And thats sad, all classes should have even strengths, and abilities to counter.
One more thing, Unstable core, i love that skill, it does like 2k dmg when it expires, and my favorite time to cast it is when i tab target a sorc, and ftc is keep blinking 5-6 times, saying something like he is "immune".... Than i get stunned, and die. Best skill in the game.
When i fight a Sorc, well, they permanently blink away, and have infinite shields, and since they class shield scales with SP/Magica they have more shield than HP. And by the time i would actually, somehow lay some dmg on them, i get killed in less than 2 seconds with 5 heavy nirned armor on. That's balanced right?
Let's look at the NBs, they simply appear from nowhere, and you HP is at 10% with 5 piece of heavy, and a sword and board.... If you manage to somehow break free from the stun, and try to roll dodge, well, they can still hit you, and they just fear you, despite that you just spent your stamina on breaking free and you have a buff for a few seconds that leads you to believe that you are "immune" to crowd control effects, noo, you you are feared, and guess what, the NB is stealth again and jumping on you again. If somehow miraculously i am still alive and try to fight back, well, they roll dodge permanently every single projectile i shoot at them, Spear Shards? 90% useless in pvp, by the time the spears hit the ground your target is on the other side of Cyrodill sipping tea... beam? yea it works if there was 5 other allies around you somehow inflicted enough dmg on him. But wait they just cloak out of it. And you never see them again, until they back to full resources and coming to gank you again.
My favorite , DKs, they reflect every single projectile you shooting them with, the have infinite regeneration of hp, and bunch of armors and skill to stay alive, that they just leap on you, and if that did not kill you, well than the glitch (thanks ZOS) fall dmg for 70k will sure finish the job.
Of course not every player, of every of the above classes manage to pull all of that off. But the last couple of weeks i spent in cyrodill assured me that the class of my choice is lacking of couple of things in PvP, and i really lost my patience to it.
I have tried almost all the skills i have access to, all kind of different gear configurations, spent several hundreds of gold to buy/craft gear, and the end of the day, i keep realizing over and over that the class is extremely insufficient in pvp.
I do not have infinite shields to cast, or blink through the entire map, i can't disappear at will and hit like a truck, i have no skills that hit for 15-20k, I don't have armor skills that makes me immortal unless 10 other players keep damaging the same DK, since they seem to be always have stamina just to block everything.
Let's see what i have.
I have the yellow beam, yes, awesome skill, given that your opponent is under 50% hp, and far away from you, but hey, it is something right.
I have dark flare, that takes 1 sec to cast, by that time a sorc blinked away, and probably casted his shields 5 times by than. The NB rolled away few times, and DKs... they are nice enough to stay put for a bit so i can hit them with the flare, just to see it bounce back and hit me.... It does hit nice tho... the 10% of the time when it actually lands...
Spear shards... it would be such a great ability... it promise you to stun or disorient... it is a moderate aoe dmg, sounds all nice and dandy, except you can make yourself some coffe by the time it hits the ground from the time you cast it And we all know that other players are nice enough to stay in one place in pvp for you to hit them... Right?
Reflective light... It would slow them, and increase my crit, i swear i thought it is actually usefull. and it is, if i go with a glass canon all cloth, SP/Magica build, but good luck surviving in that. If not, well, it sure tickles your opponents, but at least you live a little longer, so you can provide more entertainment value to any other classes.
Sun Shields... Ohhh lovely shields, almost as good as sorc shields *chuckles* lets see to have a 9k shield, i need 30k hp, ohh yes since it scales with your HP, and Magica/Stamina points are not that important... and it they almost as efficient as sorc shields Right? wrong, try to cast it as many time as asorc does and see who has magica left to actually do dmg.
Breath Of Life, ohh yes, it is my savior, it lets me live 5 seconds more doing absolutely no damage...
Puncturing sweep, the do great dmg, it knock your opponent back and all that, it even heals you for a tiny bit, great, it is actually a somewhat useful skill, too bad that if you try to cast it for the second time you are already dead... your sorc target binked away, your NB target has rolled back to the nearest starbucks, and your DK target has had great chuckles while you where breaking sweat to cast of those jabs.
Don't get me wrong all those skills did a really good dmg when i had cloth armor, and SP/Magica focused build, and no one was looking, than i did absolutely good dmg, only issue was, that any dps class even breath on me, i died. In less than 0.5 sec, before i hit a button. Than i tried 5 heavy armor, farmed nirn, and i do live a tad bit longer, i can survive for several seconds more, but my dmg, is dropped by a ridiculous amount. All the guide videos on the net seems like to point out that over 500 CP any templar can kill random pugs, thats great, i cant wait to get there. I have not seen one guild that displays an on par competition between a decent sorc and a decent templar, or a decent NB vs a decent templar.
There is couple of things i seen working tho, templar that goes to mist for over, and over, and over, and over, and over again, they seem to live longer than i am. Than they die. Unless they fight absolute morons. Stam templars that try to be cool, roll dodging like NBs, they seem to get by good, the join a zerg and steel tornado to glory, gg, i am sure that's talent. But than forget about all your magica based abilities.
Yeah, i am pretty upset now, after trying soo many different things, invest time and money to attempt to be competitive outside of running in big groups and think i am just as cool. As soon as it is small scale, i cant get away, cant tank the dmg, and sure cant out heal it. So you are welcome for the AP, i am done with PvP for a while. And just hope that sometime in the future ZOS will fix my favorite class, because i am sure i wont roll an other class, i like playing templar, it is just very ineffective in small scale pvp. And thats sad, all classes should have even strengths, and abilities to counter.
One more thing, Unstable core, i love that skill, it does like 2k dmg when it expires, and my favorite time to cast it is when i tab target a sorc, and ftc is keep blinking 5-6 times, saying something like he is "immune".... Than i get stunned, and die. Best skill in the game.
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Seriously though, maybe you just need to change your setup/build, I have seen Templars destroy people in PvP.
Personally I have been hit with a 10k and 13k biting jabs back to back on my death recap. We have some Templars that run in our group that do very well also with Solar Barrage.Edited by Kobaal on August 20, 2015 3:31PMKobaal - VR16 Dragon Knight - PC [NA] Azura Star
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✭Geared correctly and with good sets and CP Templar can compete. But it's obvious to everyone who plays Templar we are the weakest PVP class and we require more skill to perform up to par. We are weaker because we are the only class with a dedicated healing skill tree. It also kinda sucks our updates only tend to be nerfs. We still have a ton of broken/useless skills and passives and ZOS ignores the Templar communities feedback for the most part. It's still my favorite class though, it's just more fun to play in my opinion.2 -
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Kobaal✭✭✭✭✭Geared correctly and with good sets and CP Templar can compete. But it's obvious to everyone who plays Templar we are the weakest PVP class and we require more skill to perform up to par. We are weaker because we are the only class with a dedicated healing skill tree. It also kinda sucks our updates only tend to be nerfs. We still have a ton of broken/useless skills and passives and ZOS ignores the Templar communities feedback for the most part. It's still my favorite class though, it's just more fun to play in my opinion.
Biting jabs spam doesn't take any skill. Especially when it hits like a truck.
I guess it depends on your build but certain Templar builds are very easy to play. Just reporting on what I have experienced. I could be wrong.Edited by Kobaal on August 20, 2015 3:57PMKobaal - VR16 Dragon Knight - PC [NA] Azura Star
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The tendency seems to be that Templars with high CP, or in groups outperform their opponents, but thats going to be true to any class. If i had a tonn of CP, not just 118, than i probably would be more competitive, my impression was based on the nittty gritty small scale pvp, where you cant hide in the crowd, i feel like that Templars don't have much chance to sustain well when focused by even 2-3 folks, where sorcs blink away, nb prma roll, cloaks and dissapears for ever, dks just gonna perma block and indefinitely sustain themselves, temps don't have any sort of sustainability like that, unless you out number, or out CP you opponents. If templar was able to out heal the damage and sustain on par with the befroe mentioned classes, that mechanic would fit right in, but my impression in cyrodill is definitely not that i can out heal 2-3 players dmg, where, i see sorcs being chased by 10 ppl and giggle, nbs roll out to glory from the grasp of 10-15 ppl, and DKs being beat by 5-10 ppl and live happily ever after.2
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✭Geared correctly and with good sets and CP Templar can compete. But it's obvious to everyone who plays Templar we are the weakest PVP class and we require more skill to perform up to par. We are weaker because we are the only class with a dedicated healing skill tree. It also kinda sucks our updates only tend to be nerfs. We still have a ton of broken/useless skills and passives and ZOS ignores the Templar communities feedback for the most part. It's still my favorite class though, it's just more fun to play in my opinion.
Biting jabs spam doesn't take any skill. Especially when it hits like a truck.
I guess it depends on your build but certain Templar builds are very easy to play. Just reporting on what I have experienced. I could be wrong.
Lvl Templar past 19 please. Go to Cyrodill and feel our pain. Just TRY to Bitting Jabs spam someone, watch them dodgeroll into it and the whole thing misses then get rofl stomped and come back to tell us we are wrong. Just cause you got rocked by one templar does not mean Templar is not broken. When we are consistently voted as the weakest class I think there is a problem. There are tons of threads filled with complaints about templar and our broken/bugged skills, I am not the only one unsatisfied. I'm not saying Temps can't compete just that it requires a lot more effort unless we want to sit in the back and spam heals. Healbot is not fun for me, I want to be that bad ass sun spear warrior that Templar seemed to be when I chose it for my main.
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DracoSaggitaExSole wrote: »The tendency seems to be that Templars with high CP, or in groups outperform their opponents, but thats going to be true to any class. If i had a tonn of CP, not just 118, than i probably would be more competitive, my impression was based on the nittty gritty small scale pvp, where you cant hide in the crowd, i feel like that Templars don't have much chance to sustain well when focused by even 2-3 folks, where sorcs blink away, nb prma roll, cloaks and dissapears for ever, dks just gonna perma block and indefinitely sustain themselves, temps don't have any sort of sustainability like that, unless you out number, or out CP you opponents. If templar was able to out heal the damage and sustain on par with the befroe mentioned classes, that mechanic would fit right in, but my impression in cyrodill is definitely not that i can out heal 2-3 players dmg, where, i see sorcs being chased by 10 ppl and giggle, nbs roll out to glory from the grasp of 10-15 ppl, and DKs being beat by 5-10 ppl and live happily ever after.
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Kobaal✭✭✭✭✭Geared correctly and with good sets and CP Templar can compete. But it's obvious to everyone who plays Templar we are the weakest PVP class and we require more skill to perform up to par. We are weaker because we are the only class with a dedicated healing skill tree. It also kinda sucks our updates only tend to be nerfs. We still have a ton of broken/useless skills and passives and ZOS ignores the Templar communities feedback for the most part. It's still my favorite class though, it's just more fun to play in my opinion.
Biting jabs spam doesn't take any skill. Especially when it hits like a truck.
I guess it depends on your build but certain Templar builds are very easy to play. Just reporting on what I have experienced. I could be wrong.
Lvl Templar past 19 please. Go to Cyrodill and feel our pain. Just TRY to Bitting Jabs spam someone, watch them dodgeroll into it and the whole thing misses then get rofl stomped and come back to tell us we are wrong. Just cause you got rocked by one templar does not mean Templar is not broken. When we are consistently voted as the weakest class I think there is a problem. There are tons of threads filled with complaints about templar and our broken/bugged skills, I am not the only one unsatisfied. I'm not saying Temps can't compete just that it requires a lot more effort unless we want to sit in the back and spam heals. Healbot is not fun for me, I want to be that bad ass sun spear warrior that Templar seemed to be when I chose it for my main.
I'll pass.
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✭Geared correctly and with good sets and CP Templar can compete. But it's obvious to everyone who plays Templar we are the weakest PVP class and we require more skill to perform up to par. We are weaker because we are the only class with a dedicated healing skill tree. It also kinda sucks our updates only tend to be nerfs. We still have a ton of broken/useless skills and passives and ZOS ignores the Templar communities feedback for the most part. It's still my favorite class though, it's just more fun to play in my opinion.
Biting jabs spam doesn't take any skill. Especially when it hits like a truck.
I guess it depends on your build but certain Templar builds are very easy to play. Just reporting on what I have experienced. I could be wrong.
Lvl Templar past 19 please. Go to Cyrodill and feel our pain. Just TRY to Bitting Jabs spam someone, watch them dodgeroll into it and the whole thing misses then get rofl stomped and come back to tell us we are wrong. Just cause you got rocked by one templar does not mean Templar is not broken. When we are consistently voted as the weakest class I think there is a problem. There are tons of threads filled with complaints about templar and our broken/bugged skills, I am not the only one unsatisfied. I'm not saying Temps can't compete just that it requires a lot more effort unless we want to sit in the back and spam heals. Healbot is not fun for me, I want to be that bad ass sun spear warrior that Templar seemed to be when I chose it for my main.
I'll pass.
Then why even bother to comment if you aren't willing to actually find out for yourself. You'd rather just put out false information? "A templar beat me once so they are fine." We love templar, it's why we play it. Do you fault us for wanting Templar issues fixed? The problem is nothing can change as long as people like you keep piping up in these threads with your ridiculous theories that Templar is fine even though you don't even play it and your not experiencing the issues we have with the class. We have passives that REDUCE our damage, we have skills with huge animation delays that STILL haven't been fixed. We have useless skills that serve no reliable function. Most of these issues are ignored patch after patch. Every poll on class strength shows the Templar at the bottom, why is that?
I don't want Templar to be OP, I just want the skills to all FUNCTION and be USEFUL. Please go back to making constructive criticism of your own class and leave us to Templar unless you are actually going to put in work to learn the class and what's wrong with it.
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Kobaal✭✭✭✭✭Geared correctly and with good sets and CP Templar can compete. But it's obvious to everyone who plays Templar we are the weakest PVP class and we require more skill to perform up to par. We are weaker because we are the only class with a dedicated healing skill tree. It also kinda sucks our updates only tend to be nerfs. We still have a ton of broken/useless skills and passives and ZOS ignores the Templar communities feedback for the most part. It's still my favorite class though, it's just more fun to play in my opinion.
Biting jabs spam doesn't take any skill. Especially when it hits like a truck.
I guess it depends on your build but certain Templar builds are very easy to play. Just reporting on what I have experienced. I could be wrong.
Lvl Templar past 19 please. Go to Cyrodill and feel our pain. Just TRY to Bitting Jabs spam someone, watch them dodgeroll into it and the whole thing misses then get rofl stomped and come back to tell us we are wrong. Just cause you got rocked by one templar does not mean Templar is not broken. When we are consistently voted as the weakest class I think there is a problem. There are tons of threads filled with complaints about templar and our broken/bugged skills, I am not the only one unsatisfied. I'm not saying Temps can't compete just that it requires a lot more effort unless we want to sit in the back and spam heals. Healbot is not fun for me, I want to be that bad ass sun spear warrior that Templar seemed to be when I chose it for my main.
I'll pass.
Then why even bother to comment if you aren't willing to actually find out for yourself. You'd rather just put out false information? "A templar beat me once so they are fine." We love templar, it's why we play it. Do you fault us for wanting Templar issues fixed? The problem is nothing can change as long as people like you keep piping up in these threads with your ridiculous theories that Templar is fine even though you don't even play it and your not experiencing the issues we have with the class. We have passives that REDUCE our damage, we have skills with huge animation delays that STILL haven't been fixed. We have useless skills that serve no reliable function. Most of these issues are ignored patch after patch. Every poll on class strength shows the Templar at the bottom, why is that?
I don't want Templar to be OP, I just want the skills to all FUNCTION and be USEFUL. Please go back to making constructive criticism of your own class and leave us to Templar unless you are actually going to put in work to learn the class and what's wrong with it.
I bothered commenting because I am giving my personal experience and opinion. I even stated that I may be wrong. It is my right to comment on posts and give my opinion. Please don't feel the need to take things personally or attack me and accuse me of putting out "false information".
Also I lolled when you said:
"Then why even bother to comment if you aren't willing to actually find out for yourself."
Thanks for reading,
Stay civilEdited by Kobaal on August 20, 2015 8:29PMKobaal - VR16 Dragon Knight - PC [NA] Azura Star
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✭Think just devs failing to play their own game, unable to grasp what actually works in PvP.
Templars where perfectly fine from 1.2 to 1.5. Couple of broken passives, skills and bugs, but all classes suffered from that. We could still hold our own 1v1, be competitive duellers and even do a bit of 1vX.
This was grossly overshadowed by DK masterace at that time. We didn't even have the brains to appreciate it, the days when were fine, because busy crying about DK's
It was 1.6 that turned my templars into turnips. Multiple nerfs across the board striking templars hard, than specific nerfs to the class. Than this burst/mobility and "perma anything" meta that benefits sorcs and NB's the most. To a much smaller degree perma-blocking DK's.
I think templar will be much better in 2.1 PvP personally(unless you're trying to play block tank of course). Not because the class is getting any attention, but a lot of nerfs and changes, seem to hit other classes harder. We only loose some healing and a minor nerf when stealing killing blows with Cheesus Beam.1 -
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✭I was being quite civil you mistake my passion for this game for anger, I didn't personally attack you at any time. I was merely pointing out the OP has valid concerns, if you read his post he points out he has tried multiple builds and even followed online guides and he is still getting his but kicked.
Instead of offering advice or sympathy or pointing to a guide you basically said l2p templars are fine and then to avoid any backlash you said I could be wrong. It is absolutely your right to comment on anything you want as it is my right to correct you when you are incorrect. It's nothing personal but Templar is currently the class most in need of tweaks and fixes and it is frustrating seeing the class ignored patch after patch. Oh! But wait! They nerfed Radiant Destruction again...but at least it can finally crit. It's too bad though that our class shield is still worthless.1 -
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Kobaal✭✭✭✭✭Lightninvash wrote: »I just group with my guild heal and maybe throw a Jesus beam or root ppl Jesus beam ftw!!
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1.6 Stamina Sorcs are weaker than other classes, and i can also find lots of videos like that.
No mater how bad a class is, anyone can record 20+ hours of gameplay and post a video like that.
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Biting jabs spam doesn't take any skill. Especially when it hits like a truck.
I guess it depends on your build but certain Templar builds are very easy to play. Just reporting on what I have experienced. I could be wrong.
you die with Bjabs ...with your Dk ?!?! O_o .....i need NA server!!!!!!
Kobaal Opinions are opinions , but the templar isn't easy to play ... . i have stamblade ...this's very easy
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✭✭✭✭Well for starters you said you're running 5 heavy, it'll keep you alive longer, but reduce your magic dps and healing by quite a bit.
Secondly, a good templar in a group can help that group ger things done. Taking a keep, group having a big battle, ultimate heal, your group wins.
Jesus beam melts by the way. That get's me e often in pvp
As for your hate of sorcs blinking away, bolt escape is getting heavily nerves with IC as far as i'm aware0 -
imredneckson✭✭✭✭✭Geared correctly and with good sets and CP Templar can compete. But it's obvious to everyone who plays Templar we are the weakest PVP class and we require more skill to perform up to par. We are weaker because we are the only class with a dedicated healing skill tree. It also kinda sucks our updates only tend to be nerfs. We still have a ton of broken/useless skills and passives and ZOS ignores the Templar communities feedback for the most part. It's still my favorite class though, it's just more fun to play in my opinion.
Buddy try fighting Mojican hes a Stamina Templar and a total bada**.Legions of Mordor Guild Officer
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I've fought this guy in Had trying to defend a keep and he wiped the floor with me and then killed the rest with only a few of his buddies. Note: Just like Mojican Don't *** this guy off!Legions of Mordor Guild Officer
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1.6 Stamina Sorcs are weaker than other classes, and i can also find lots of videos like that.
No mater how bad a class is, anyone can record 20+ hours of gameplay and post a video like that.
Yes once again anyone can record 30+ hours of gameplay and make a video kicking ass against people who are not as twinked. We aren't saying temps can't compete, just that they require more effort. We just want the broken skills and passives fixed. There is a reason the whole community thinks of templars as healerbots, cause they are not up to par in pvp. Also half that guys bars aren't even Templar skills...he's playing it like any stam build, Spaming crit charge and wrecking blow is not unique to Templar.
imredneckson how do you fare in PVP with templar, V3 yes? You are not twinked yet, how would you rate yourself vs other V3s? Do you think a Templar at V1-5 is equal strength with the other classes at V1-5?0 -
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Is this real? Templar weak?
Tell that to the templar that 2 of us ran into in Ruby Cave... I fought that guy for 10 minutes an simply could not kill him (insta heal much?). If I hadn't aggro'd all of the NPCs on him I'd have never escaped. I got the distinct impression he wasn't breaking a sweat, and wasn't even really trying to kill us. If I hadn't had a magicka healer build on my NB we wouldn't have lasted a minute.
oh and that BITING JABS!1 -
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✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Is this real? Templar weak?
Tell that to the templar that 2 of us ran into in Ruby Cave... I fought that guy for 10 minutes an simply could not kill him (insta heal much?). If I hadn't aggro'd all of the NPCs on him I'd have never escaped. I got the distinct impression he wasn't breaking a sweat, and wasn't even really trying to kill us. If I hadn't had a magicka healer build on my NB we wouldn't have lasted a minute.
oh and that BITING JABS!
It's seems like the argument for everyone seems to be "A Stamina Templar beat me, all Templars are fine." Seriously, play the class, compare it to other classes. Stamina Templar has 3 stamina morphs for Templar skills. Just 3. The rest of the build requires the use of non templar skills to cover the shortcomings. ALL of our buffs and heals scale off magica which sucks for the Stamplar as we have only 1 resource regeneration ability for magic, Rune Focus. It costs more mana to keep Rune focus up than it recovers. The stamina templar you fought was likely tweaked with CP and Vigor/Rally since those are good stamina heals and the TEMPLAR HEALING CLASS HAS NO STAMINA HEALS.
No one is saying Templar can't kill people, we ARE saying it requires more effort. Not one of you has mentioned a Magicka Templar beating you, it always seems to be Stamina even though most of the skills the Stamplar will be using are not Templar skills. What exactly are you trying to argue? That templar needs NO changes even though most of the Templar community disagrees with you? Are you arguing that a Stamina templar beat you so they are fine? Really?
Stamina Socs can beat people, does that mean they are fine? No.....
Also, last thing I will say, any class can beat any other class when the person playing is better. This does not equate to balance.1 -
13igTyme✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Is this real? Templar weak?
Tell that to the templar that 2 of us ran into in Ruby Cave... I fought that guy for 10 minutes an simply could not kill him (insta heal much?). If I hadn't aggro'd all of the NPCs on him I'd have never escaped. I got the distinct impression he wasn't breaking a sweat, and wasn't even really trying to kill us. If I hadn't had a magicka healer build on my NB we wouldn't have lasted a minute.
oh and that BITING JABS!
It's seems like the argument for everyone seems to be "A Stamina Templar beat me, all Templars are fine." Seriously, play the class, compare it to other classes. Stamina Templar has 3 stamina morphs for Templar skills. Just 3. The rest of the build requires the use of non templar skills to cover the shortcomings. ALL of our buffs and heals scale off magica which sucks for the Stamplar as we have only 1 resource regeneration ability for magic, Rune Focus. It costs more mana to keep Rune focus up than it recovers. The stamina templar you fought was likely tweaked with CP and Vigor/Rally since those are good stamina heals and the TEMPLAR HEALING CLASS HAS NO STAMINA HEALS.
No one is saying Templar can't kill people, we ARE saying it requires more effort. Not one of you has mentioned a Magicka Templar beating you, it always seems to be Stamina even though most of the skills the Stamplar will be using are not Templar skills. What exactly are you trying to argue? That templar needs NO changes even though most of the Templar community disagrees with you? Are you arguing that a Stamina templar beat you so they are fine? Really?
Stamina Socs can beat people, does that mean they are fine? No.....
Also, last thing I will say, any class can beat any other class when the person playing is better. This does not equate to balance.
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭QuebraRegra wrote: »Is this real? Templar weak?
Tell that to the templar that 2 of us ran into in Ruby Cave... I fought that guy for 10 minutes an simply could not kill him (insta heal much?). If I hadn't aggro'd all of the NPCs on him I'd have never escaped. I got the distinct impression he wasn't breaking a sweat, and wasn't even really trying to kill us. If I hadn't had a magicka healer build on my NB we wouldn't have lasted a minute.
oh and that BITING JABS!
It's seems like the argument for everyone seems to be "A Stamina Templar beat me, all Templars are fine." Seriously, play the class, compare it to other classes. Stamina Templar has 3 stamina morphs for Templar skills. Just 3. The rest of the build requires the use of non templar skills to cover the shortcomings. ALL of our buffs and heals scale off magica which sucks for the Stamplar as we have only 1 resource regeneration ability for magic, Rune Focus. It costs more mana to keep Rune focus up than it recovers. The stamina templar you fought was likely tweaked with CP and Vigor/Rally since those are good stamina heals and the TEMPLAR HEALING CLASS HAS NO STAMINA HEALS.
No one is saying Templar can't kill people, we ARE saying it requires more effort. Not one of you has mentioned a Magicka Templar beating you, it always seems to be Stamina even though most of the skills the Stamplar will be using are not Templar skills. What exactly are you trying to argue? That templar needs NO changes even though most of the Templar community disagrees with you? Are you arguing that a Stamina templar beat you so they are fine? Really?
Stamina Socs can beat people, does that mean they are fine? No.....
Also, last thing I will say, any class can beat any other class when the person playing is better. This does not equate to balance.
Wasn't a case of that templar playing better, he was likely making a sammich with one hand while just standing there tanking and nearly killing 2 players, insta healing back to max all the time. Is that skill? Sure, maybe he/she/it was CP deep, it's possible. Skill is being outmaneuvered, not WB and insta heal spamming while standing still.
I don't have the experience of having played a TEMPLAR yet, but I will... I will no doubt focus on a MAGICKA build however.
I think other classes suffer from "critical" skills not having an either or morph for stamina OR magicka. It's a common problem, that tends to limit variations in builds. Looking at it, I don't know what anyone would go with a STAMPLAR build? An NB for instance has NO stamina heal as well (not really a heal at all frankly). You want healing as an NB?... you have to go RESTO staff. By comparison a magicka NB is an "off build" that doesn't have the burst of a ST NB. Things may look up when VIGOR goes to 5, or balance might go out the window.. At least STAMINA builds will have a heal option.
IMHO, most of the classes should offer proper options for a ST or MG build in terms of morphs, other wise we end up with cookie cutters based on the current patch benefits.
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