Todays Nerf, Your Feelings?

Blade_07 · August 2015

So, what do you guys think of today's nerf. I never really like nerfs cuz they most always take away something that happens to be fun. And I'm not liking the sound of this stamina nerf at all. Whats your guys thought?

Pangnirtung · August 2015

It's the tail wagging the dog. I PVE and the nerfs seem to be directly related to PVP.

Both of my fun stamina based NB and DK are now gimped because of the update.

Blade_07 · August 2015

Pangnirtung wrote: »

It's the tail wagging the dog. I PVE and the nerfs seem to be directly related to PVP.

Both of my fun stamina based NB and DK are now gimped because of the update.

Yeah, my DK is stamina based mostly for tanking.

Personofsecrets · August 2015

It's a dumb nerf and I predict that the developers will change something about it as more and more people come out of the woodwork against it.

Blade_07 · August 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

It's a dumb nerf and I predict that the developers will change something about it as more and more people come out of the woodwork against it.

Hmm, I doubt it but lets hope so!

Xecil · September 2015

I was really looking forward to Twisting Path getting buffed.

ADarklore · September 2015

I am most bummed about the buff to enemies and increased 'snare' effects... it makes me wonder if they are trying to SLOW players down and therefore use more XP Boosters because of the increased combat time.

I also noticed that Elemental Ring used to be completely spammable, I could hit one after another, but after the update, there is a pause in between... clearly an increase in cool-down.

Inactive Account · September 2015

Blade_07 wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

It's the tail wagging the dog. I PVE and the nerfs seem to be directly related to PVP.

Both of my fun stamina based NB and DK are now gimped because of the update.

Yeah, my DK is stamina based mostly for tanking.

My DK Tank WAS Stamina based.

From what I see now,It will no longer be.

SirAndy · September 2015

Blade_07 wrote: »

Your Feelings?

Giddily ...

Kronuxx · September 2015

I must be missing something, what nerf was done today?

SirAndy · September 2015

Kronuxx wrote: »

I must be missing something, what nerf was done today?

Stamina builds were nerfed back into the stone age.

Which means everyone has to dust off their pretty dresses and start waving a wooden stick again.
Just like during beta and early live.

Sensesfail13 · September 2015

Ive been getting owned by scrub magicka builds and biting jab spamming templars when I used to be able to hold my own with any build, Im getting so ridiculously pissed off because my entire stamina build is ruined and I keep getting owned doing the things I could do yesterday. Im just staring at my screen in the safety of the AD sewers wondering if I should just call it quits on this game or not. This stamina nerf was totally uncalled for and I wish the worst on whoever came up with the idea at Zenimax.

PBpsy · September 2015

None of my feelings were nerfed today.

Wing · September 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Ive been getting owned by scrub magicka builds and biting jab spamming templars when I used to be able to hold my own with any build, Im getting so ridiculously pissed off because my entire stamina build is ruined and I keep getting owned doing the things I could do yesterday. Im just staring at my screen in the safety of the AD sewers wondering if I should just call it quits on this game or not. This stamina nerf was totally uncalled for and I wish the worst on whoever came up with the idea at Zenimax.

Eric W. . . so it would be more "fun"

dday3six · September 2015

I'm on console, and I have little optimism toward IC. I like to run in 4-8 player groups for PVP, and IC is all about massive zergs from what I have seen.

Mojmir · September 2015

im still at work

Inactive Account · September 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Ive been getting owned by scrub magicka builds and biting jab spamming templars when I used to be able to hold my own with any build, Im getting so ridiculously pissed off because my entire stamina build is ruined and I keep getting owned doing the things I could do yesterday. Im just staring at my screen in the safety of the AD sewers wondering if I should just call it quits on this game or not. This stamina nerf was totally uncalled for and I wish the worst on whoever came up with the idea at Zenimax.

Well, at least you have not received responses to you posts such as...

Just respect a totally different build.
Just go with majicka instead of stamina.
Why are you using stamina skills anyway?

These are the type of posts that have me a little ***'d off right now.

Blade_07 · September 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Ive been getting owned by scrub magicka builds and biting jab spamming templars when I used to be able to hold my own with any build, Im getting so ridiculously pissed off because my entire stamina build is ruined and I keep getting owned doing the things I could do yesterday. Im just staring at my screen in the safety of the AD sewers wondering if I should just call it quits on this game or not. This stamina nerf was totally uncalled for and I wish the worst on whoever came up with the idea at Zenimax.

I hear ya man. I logged in long enough to find out that they screwed up and broke the UI size setting and logged off out of pure disgust with these clowns. They cant seem to add an update without adding a new bug or bugs. And their nerfs are always taking the fun and good things that people happen to like outta the game! Everybody goes threw the time and trouble of figuring out what build works best for them and then they go along and tinker with stuff screwing everything up. And we all pay them money for this crap.

ColtPython · September 2015

I complained about this nerf as much as I could on the PTS forums. I really did not like playing on PTS. And I'm really dreading logging in right now. I lived through the first stamina "stone age" as @SirAndy put it. This time I have many more toons but this is sad. I saw SypherPK's stream today and his early stam NB build is one hand and shield. Sure he was stacking weapon power but the rouge dw/bow/2h seems to be toast. It cannot defend itself.

I think this is going to go over really bad on console where players don't have multiple toons yet.

Blade_07 · September 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Ive been getting owned by scrub magicka builds and biting jab spamming templars when I used to be able to hold my own with any build, Im getting so ridiculously pissed off because my entire stamina build is ruined and I keep getting owned doing the things I could do yesterday. Im just staring at my screen in the safety of the AD sewers wondering if I should just call it quits on this game or not. This stamina nerf was totally uncalled for and I wish the worst on whoever came up with the idea at Zenimax.

Eric W. . . so it would be more "fun"

Oh, I know, and I totally wish the worst on him and anybody else that thought it would be a bright idea. I cant believe I bought this piece of garbage. And I enter imperial city to large EP zergs just mowing down every district players and bosses alike.

Yay for PvP. Its so fun. ~sarcasm~

Blade_07 · September 2015

Mojmir wrote: »

im still at work

Stay at work, you dont wanna come home to this garbage.

ADarklore · September 2015

What I find to be totally stupid... is how Stamina is used for so many things, yet Magicka is ONLY used for spells and certain abilities. It would not be out of line for them to offer INCREASED Stamina in the attribute points- allowing Stamina-build players to acquire more Stamina since they have to use it to pay for roll-dodge, sneaking, sprinting, blocking, weapon abilities and some Class abilities. Magicka doesn't have that problem, and THIS is where I see the problem coming from. TOO MANY resources are put against Stamina and it seriously needs to be addressed.

Interestingly enough... they put this whole 'roll-dodge' penalty into the game at the same time they increase PvE enemy AoE's which now require you to use roll-dodge even more. Go figure.

Yattaq · September 2015

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Ive been getting owned by scrub magicka builds and biting jab spamming templars when I used to be able to hold my own with any build, Im getting so ridiculously pissed off because my entire stamina build is ruined and I keep getting owned doing the things I could do yesterday. Im just staring at my screen in the safety of the AD sewers wondering if I should just call it quits on this game or not. This stamina nerf was totally uncalled for and I wish the worst on whoever came up with the idea at Zenimax.

Eric W. . . so it would be more "fun"

Oh, I know, and I totally wish the worst on him and anybody else that thought it would be a bright idea.

You serious?

abuniffpreub18_ESO · September 2015

They nerfed enchanting. I tried enchanting some magicka for a templar I'm raising and what used to be about 150 on armor is now 117 for a level 12. They messed up fire too.

I checked the notes and it says they lowered enchant power for lower levels and raised it for higher. I think it should be the other way around.

And another fun thing happened in Elden Root. I clicked on the enchanting table and suddenly went flying thru the air and ended up at the Elden Root wayshrine.

Anyway with the enchanting change they pretty well nerfed the game for me. You may say it's not that much but it is to me. I think I'll look around and see what else is out there to play.

Kalfis · September 2015

WW is no longer worth having, and Vamps got huge buffs.

Getting rid of WW for vamp.

Blade_07 · September 2015

abuniffpreub18_ESO wrote: »

They nerfed enchanting. I tried enchanting some magicka for a templar I'm raising and what used to be about 150 on armor is now 117 for a level 12. They messed up fire too.

I checked the notes and it says they lowered enchant power for lower levels and raised it for higher. I think it should be the other way around.

And another fun thing happened in Elden Root. I clicked on the enchanting table and suddenly went flying thru the air and ended up at the Elden Root wayshrine.

Anyway with the enchanting change they pretty well nerfed the game for me. You may say it's not that much but it is to me. I think I'll look around and see what else is out there to play.

Yeah, I'm doing the same. I been with this game since the beginning and I keep hoping that things will actually get better but they dont for the most part.

ADarklore · September 2015

It isn't JUST craft enchanting, all purchased enchantments have also been nerfed. It just irritates me that they nerf players and buff enemies... instead of doing one or the other. Like many others have noted, for some reason MMOs cannot LEARN from other MMO's mistakes... instead they repeat history over and over. This is an example of what ALL MMOs suffer from, the "pendulum effect". In order to make an IMPACT in the game, the devs over nerf or over buff something so that players will notice... but then a short time later will have to go through a serious of 'adjustments' to FIX their overzealous approach.

Instead, what they should do- having LEARNED from other MMO mistakes... is to make gradual changes. Also, they should learn that listening to a vocal minority is very bad for business- especially the MMO business- where new ones are popping up all the time. MMOs cannot afford to alienate players, yet, they seem to constantly make the same mistakes which in the end do nothing but alienate players.

Xendyn · September 2015

ADarklore wrote: »

What I find to be totally stupid... is how Stamina is used for so many things, yet Magicka is ONLY used for spells and certain abilities. It would not be out of line for them to offer INCREASED Stamina in the attribute points- allowing Stamina-build players to acquire more Stamina since they have to use it to pay for roll-dodge, sneaking, sprinting, blocking, weapon abilities and some Class abilities. Magicka doesn't have that problem, and THIS is where I see the problem coming from. TOO MANY resources are put against Stamina and it seriously needs to be addressed.

Interestingly enough... they put this whole 'roll-dodge' penalty into the game at the same time they increase PvE enemy AoE's which now require you to use roll-dodge even more. Go figure.

That bolded part? Yeh we've been saying that from the beginning.
Nobody seems to be listening...

usmcjdking · September 2015

Kalfis wrote: »

WW is no longer worth having, and Vamps got huge buffs.

Getting rid of WW for vamp.

WW is still incredibly powerful, situationally, like 1v1 or you transform in safety. A well built DK/Templar tank that goes WW is an absolute wrecking ball. But the stamina changes have completely crippled the stam intensive werewolf.

Sensesfail13 · September 2015

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Ive been getting owned by scrub magicka builds and biting jab spamming templars when I used to be able to hold my own with any build, Im getting so ridiculously pissed off because my entire stamina build is ruined and I keep getting owned doing the things I could do yesterday. Im just staring at my screen in the safety of the AD sewers wondering if I should just call it quits on this game or not. This stamina nerf was totally uncalled for and I wish the worst on whoever came up with the idea at Zenimax.

Well, at least you have not received responses to you posts such as...
Just respect a totally different build.

Just go with majicka instead of stamina.

Why are you using stamina skills anyway?

These are the type of posts that have me a little ***'d off right now.

Could not agree more, I suppose Im just a pos, and my totally viable way of play since BETA is now worthless as am I.

Sensesfail13 · September 2015

Yattaq wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Sensesfail13 wrote: »

Ive been getting owned by scrub magicka builds and biting jab spamming templars when I used to be able to hold my own with any build, Im getting so ridiculously pissed off because my entire stamina build is ruined and I keep getting owned doing the things I could do yesterday. Im just staring at my screen in the safety of the AD sewers wondering if I should just call it quits on this game or not. This stamina nerf was totally uncalled for and I wish the worst on whoever came up with the idea at Zenimax.

Eric W. . . so it would be more "fun"

Oh, I know, and I totally wish the worst on him and anybody else that thought it would be a bright idea.

You serious?

Couldnt be more serious, I have invested so much time and money into this game and franchise that not only am I disgusted with this entire patch but I feel betrayed because I have WASTED all of that time for nothing now, or at least that is how I feel because I mainly pvp and now my pvp tank is worthless I no longer have utility I am a 2 second pinata. And as for pve tanking, yea its viable I can tank a boss but I cant do anything other than keep aggro and stay alive because its all about keeping my gd stamina up now.

Not only that but I walk into imperial city and I get about 10 minutes of grabbing stones and bam EP zerg steals damn near everything I made, and I cant even get away because the snare is so ridiculously bad now. My elusive mist form, worthless, I stand in one spot snared in mist form, wtf is the use of an elusive ability if you cant get away.